tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post1588778277472756247..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: A cobbled-together post because I'm in a hurry...Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-70320064611171527412013-02-21T03:52:15.571-05:002013-02-21T03:52:15.571-05:00"In the long run, it may well will almost cer..."In the long run, it may well will almost certainly turn out that letting the occasional terrorist set off a bomb or hijack a plane would have done far less damage to the fabric of the Republic than we've done in trying to stop them." <br /><br />-This is where I insert periodic marriage proposal-John Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04875185117306503147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-43908230194905161362013-02-12T09:55:13.647-05:002013-02-12T09:55:13.647-05:00@ Goober,
With the international actions that the...@ Goober,<br /><br />With the international actions that the US has taken, in support of regions breaking off from states in support of independence, I have wondered since Bush, Jr.'s time what the US would do today, if states started seceding. Particularly if each state seceded, leaving only the District of Columbia. (Maybe they would go, too, and "throw the bums out". Hmm.<br /><br />Anyway, I believe the Civil War was also a money-driven thing, that interests in the North owned too much property in the South, that they were losing, to let the South go it alone.<br /><br />And I think those same financial interests would interfere in any state seceding today. Look at the way oil pipelines and electric transmission lines, let alone highways, regional distribution centers, and ACORN cross state boundaries -- and would, each of them, cry for military intervention on their behalf.<br /><br />Today my state, Oklahoma, has no policy or mechanism in place, to prevent, say, California getting our state "turned off" so they could keep their own industries going. Or letting the Feds do the same thing for New York, or any other state. Heck, we couldn't isolate ourselves and light our lights (if we could) using our own resources, if the Chinese took down the national grid.<br /><br />There is a *reason* Obama campaigned for an armed military force that, unlike the uniformed services, would be empowered to operate inside the US. Homeland Security has sure made the news, about the number of weapons and ammunition they have amassed, to prevent flooding, I suppose.<br /><br />Yes, just as the 2nd Amendment provides that the government cannot disarm the citizens to protect itself, states have the right to secede. Still, a citizen (or militia unit) firing on a tyrannical government is against the law, and in the past the US government has acted militarily against states that seceded.<br /><br />At least, I don't see any pretty answers as long as enough votes (voters?) keep the present special interest and power structures in office.Brad K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/18378344866487206569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-18585538694428133172013-02-11T18:21:24.707-05:002013-02-11T18:21:24.707-05:00Kristophr;
You honestly seem to be missing the po...Kristophr;<br /><br />You honestly seem to be missing the point here, and i don't know whether you are incredibly dense or just so indoctrinated by the school system that you can't stop for a second and see that things aren't really as you see them.<br /><br />I am not a southern apologist. I try to be a purveyor of truth as much as I possibly can. I think slavery is an abomination that all of mankind should be righteously angry and ashamed of. <br /><br />i still think that the Civil War was one of blatant aggression by Abraham Lincoln and the North. The southern states decided that they didn't want to be part of the union anymore, WHICH WAS THEIR RIGHT and is the right of any free state to do so (read the Declaration of Independence recently?). Abaraham Lincoln responded to them using their right to secession by invading them, killing them, burning their houses down, raping their wives, and subjugating them with violence. <br /><br />You can call me a southern apologist all you want. <br /><br />And the answer to your various questions of "can so-and-so state secede if X..." the answer is "yes". Learn your history. Gooberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07358115439453465833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-29782109926340614462013-02-11T15:36:22.053-05:002013-02-11T15:36:22.053-05:00And now fugitive alleged (?) homicidal killer Chri...And now fugitive alleged (?) homicidal killer Chris Dorner is <a href="http://now.msn.com/christopher-dorner-is-first-drone-target-on-us-soil" rel="nofollow">local-DroneTarget #1.</a>NotClauswitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13460199597231661863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-40472492335170759892013-02-11T14:56:07.218-05:002013-02-11T14:56:07.218-05:00The interesting question to my mind is if a state ...The interesting question to my mind is if a state did secede, what would be the effect on its citizens? Would I have dual-citizenship? Would I have to renounce my US citizenship? What about my underage children? Do they have to wait until they are 18 to make that decision? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-61844165477771200302013-02-10T09:29:38.522-05:002013-02-10T09:29:38.522-05:00"Can Illinois secede if they need to do that ..."Can Illinois secede if they need to do that to keep their insane gun laws?"<br /><br />More importantly, can states secede to keep their sane ones, and their other chosen freedoms?<br /><br />We may well have to find out.<br /><br />Tea, slaves, guns...do you grok the connection now Kristophr? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-23636742153098311782013-02-10T07:47:54.933-05:002013-02-10T07:47:54.933-05:00Kristophr,
"If some state decides that the b...Kristophr,<br /><br />"<i>If some state decides that the bill of rights is null and void for a class of citizens, does the federal government have the duty to enforce the bill of rights on that state government?</i>"<br /><br />Yes.<br /><br />"<i>Can that state government secede to thwart this?</i>"<br /><br />Yes. The Federal government would then have no more business enforcing the Constitution there than they do in Quebec or Chihuahua.<br /><br />"<i>Can Illinois secede if they need to do that to keep their insane gun laws?</i>"<br /><br />Yes.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-87413411393529899342013-02-09T22:52:52.133-05:002013-02-09T22:52:52.133-05:00Hmmm. The question is tougher than that, I think, ...Hmmm. The question is tougher than that, I think, Tam.<br /><br />If some state decides that the bill of rights is null and void for a class of citizens, does the federal government have the duty to enforce the bill of rights on that state government?<br /><br />Can that state government secede to thwart this?<br /><br />Can Illinois secede if they need to do that to keep their insane gun laws?Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-41735345884512554122013-02-08T19:00:39.423-05:002013-02-08T19:00:39.423-05:00Waving with one finger and muttering "good ri...Waving with one finger and muttering "good riddance" under one's breath given the circumstances of course.Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05414687981098467556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-8099763190469069152013-02-08T18:56:53.374-05:002013-02-08T18:56:53.374-05:00Kristophr,
"And then the Southern Apologists...Kristophr,<br /><br />"<i>And then the Southern Apologists come out of the woodwork.</i>"<br /><br />You're reading the blog of one.<br /><br />I don't care WHY the South seceded; the point is that they had the right to. They could have seceded because they decided that they had the right to kill everybody named "Smith" or whatever.<br /><br />If a state decides it no longer wants to play our constitutional reindeer games, the moral thing is to wave it good-bye, not burn it to the ground and rape its women.<br /><br />Ratifying the Constitution wasn't joining the Mafia. Any freely-entered agreement may be freely left.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-49604423809534838242013-02-08T16:22:23.176-05:002013-02-08T16:22:23.176-05:00The Civil War is to slavery as the Revolutionary W...The Civil War is to slavery as the Revolutionary War is to tea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-42882888699492002292013-02-08T15:56:06.922-05:002013-02-08T15:56:06.922-05:00"In other words, the President is choosing by..."In other words, the President is choosing by specific identity who to kill. Not by role ie., kill any combatant, but by name, "Kill John Doe"."<br /><br /><br />My problem is not an executive order with John Doe's name on it. It's the generic blanket order that I don't approve of. Especially when "higher officials" can fill out the name on the ticket.<br /><br />Kristopher, read a couple books man. You can even read some that were written a hundred years ago about the causes of the Civil War. If the Civil War was about Slavery, then why didn't the Emancipation Proclamation free all slaves?Woodmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17258502914515356626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-74996599990361899122013-02-08T14:02:21.938-05:002013-02-08T14:02:21.938-05:00And then the Southern Apologists come out of the w...And then the Southern Apologists come out of the woodwork.<br /><br />What a shock ( not ).<br /><br />The American Civil War was about slavery, period.<br /><br />The second the Republican Party had the majority needed to amend the constitution, the slaveholders got their men in their legislatures to secede.<br /><br />Pretending this was about tariffs ain't going to cut the mustard. The reason for the excise tax on cotton was to punish slave holders.<br /><br />President Buchanan was complicit in the revolt, and had carefully emptied Northern armories, and had all those weapons stockpiled in the South before the war started.<br /><br />They planed to do this. The only thing the North did to "drive" them to this was to make it clear they were going to outlaw slavery.<br /><br /><br />I re-iterate: The Mason-Dixon compromise, and the wars in Kansas and Missouri were not about fucking tariffs. And neither was the civil war.Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-21454297663282469522013-02-08T08:51:08.404-05:002013-02-08T08:51:08.404-05:00"The American Civil War was about...the South..."The American Civil War was about...the South's unwillingness to obey."<br /><br />Fixed it for ya. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-75009888352191795542013-02-07T21:22:20.747-05:002013-02-07T21:22:20.747-05:00Kristophr,
Jumpin' Jesus on a pogo stick!
Yo...Kristophr,<br /><br />Jumpin' Jesus on a pogo stick!<br /><br />Your ignorance of history isn't really amazing: you have lots of company.<br /><br />The revisionism isn't by libertarians.marinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03435598676103731157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-50889041070785139822013-02-07T19:31:07.887-05:002013-02-07T19:31:07.887-05:00And so, the genocide begins.And so, the genocide begins.Crotalusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-56056587983579181632013-02-07T17:57:56.958-05:002013-02-07T17:57:56.958-05:00"In other words, the President is choosing by..."In other words, the President is choosing by specific identity who to kill. Not by role ie., kill any combatant, but by name, "Kill John Doe"."<br /><br />I'm not worried about the bullet with my name on it, that'll come when it will.<br /><br />I'm worried about the one labeled, "To whom it may concern..."Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05414687981098467556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-73581342979825854032013-02-07T17:53:17.911-05:002013-02-07T17:53:17.911-05:00The key point I make is that I have no problem wit...The key point I make is that I have no problem with the President's authority to comand our armed forces. And in the context of the battlefield, when our forces encounter armed combatants and kill them - that's great. If we discover that among the dead are US passports, so sad.<br /><br />The boundary where I start to raise my hackles is where we have the President not ordering: "Go kill combatants found in your operational area" but instead the President saying "Here is a list of people I want you to go find and kill".<br /><br />In other words, the President is <i>choosing</i> by specific identity who to kill. Not by role ie., kill any combatant, but by name, "Kill John Doe".<br /><br />I think that the latter ought to have some oversight. And I have this position regardless of who does it.Cincinnatushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10424218376882403880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-68425210016950651702013-02-07T16:22:30.758-05:002013-02-07T16:22:30.758-05:00I'll admit that your slippery path quip (1-800...I'll admit that your slippery path quip (1-800-RAT-FINK, heh) scares the bejeebus out of me, and not just for the hunt for T's.<br /><br />But this: "In the long run, it may well will almost certainly turn out that letting the occasional terrorist set off a bomb or hijack a plane would have done far less damage to the fabric of the Republic than we've done in trying to stop them."<br /><br />That's the great unknown. No more WTC's, and what would have been next, and next, and next? Talk about slippery paths, no telling where passivism would have led.<br /><br />It's not like a decade of the most wasteful, misdirected, mismanaged warfare in the history of mankind was the *only* path. We hired the fucktards that ran and run this thing. We -a nation of namby-pamby dole-sucking half-wits- did this to ourselves. In matters of self defense and preservation of freedom and liberty, we are our own worst enemy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-13719528661122500652013-02-07T16:13:18.132-05:002013-02-07T16:13:18.132-05:00Staghounds:
The American Civil War was about slav...Staghounds:<br /><br />The American Civil War was about slavery, and the South's unwillingness to obey the Constitution they had all signed in the 1790s.<br /><br />The Mason-Dixon Compromise, and the bloody guerrilla wars in Kansas and Missouri were not about interpretations of the 9th and 10th amendments.<br /><br />No amount of libertarian revisionism will change that.<br /><br />About the only innocent victims here were the majority of North Carilinians, who had voted AGAINST secession, and the Unionist majority in Northern Alabama ( who are still being punished to this day by the state government ).Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-63299905957276059772013-02-07T15:59:21.487-05:002013-02-07T15:59:21.487-05:00Remember when we were assured that "the terro...Remember when we were assured that "the terrorists had won"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-20451634978538527142013-02-07T15:59:06.403-05:002013-02-07T15:59:06.403-05:00Staghounds said: "There were plenty of Americ...Staghounds said: "There were plenty of American citizens in Hamburg, Tokyo, and the Nazi army."<br /><br />Richmond, Atlanta, and Chattanooga too. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-77596252669315068222013-02-07T15:56:48.465-05:002013-02-07T15:56:48.465-05:00Any chain of command that has a slot for (name red...Any chain of command that has a slot for (name redacted) government official is just waiting to be abused or co-opted.<br /><br />Gerry<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-78601928022560828562013-02-07T14:23:30.795-05:002013-02-07T14:23:30.795-05:00Stuart the Viking: ,i.Then, of course, there is th...Stuart the Viking: ,i.Then, of course, there is the case of what happens if this or a future President goes off his rocker. What then?,/i.<br /><br />Drone strikes would be the least of our worries if we didn't have the votes to impeach a nutter.<br /><br />A truly off-his-rocker President could run death squads by periodically giving the JBTs in them Presidential Pardons.<br /><br />Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-37584853680844945812013-02-07T14:20:35.336-05:002013-02-07T14:20:35.336-05:00"Stimulus missles" ... ok Bram, you win...."Stimulus missles" ... ok Bram, you win.<br /><br /><br />Seriously ... I would like to see congress authorize using drones strikes on terrorists ... and at the same time, remove the exceptions added to posse commitatus for drug running and terrorism.<br /><br />The US military should not be allowed to engage in combat in the US unless the US is invaded.Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.com