tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post2595292527471365463..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: Speaking of bloody shirt waving...Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-25942080978019313232011-07-28T10:21:17.751-04:002011-07-28T10:21:17.751-04:00It's one of my easily-pushed buttons; and one ...It's one of my easily-pushed buttons; and one that I really ought to put a cover on...<br /><br />There's so much misinformation about NJ gun laws out there; and a lot of it serves to discourage people from starting the process of becoming a gun owner. The process is tedious, but not especially difficult, and likewise bring a gun owner isn't a legally fraught endeavor, at least not to the extent many people think. There are gotcha's in the law, especially as "interpreted," no question. It's those areas I'd prefer to reserve my ire for.Ian Argenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03704336044732061128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-71787385639027833352011-07-28T09:15:45.403-04:002011-07-28T09:15:45.403-04:00Ah. So it was Tams who ticked you off; I thought i...Ah. So it was Tams who ticked you off; I thought it was me. Either way, hang on to your humor, because you gotta laugh.<br /><br />I was gonna say, who knew you Joisies were so easily hurt, but now I know you're a born Southron, and everybody knows we're the gentle, sensitive type. :)<br /><br />ATAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-23472453492978256722011-07-27T17:03:18.470-04:002011-07-27T17:03:18.470-04:00Actually, Norway's gun laws are, on balance, n...<i><b>Actually, Norway's gun laws are, on balance, not really any worse than, say, New Jersey's...</b><br /><br />Maybe this used to be the case, but guns laws in Norway seem to be fairly restrictive nowadays. You need to take a multi-day course to even own a gun legally, and it's verboten to actually have a gun for self-defense in the home.</i><br /><br />The bolded part is hyperbolic, considering the second part; there's no training requirement at all to own a firearm, and possessing a functional loaded firearm in the home is not forbidden. Having looked at some of Norway's laws as detailed at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Norway) there's no comparison, even with the moronic anti-freedom "interpretations" of the laws by NJ's judiciary.<br /><br /><i>Handguns have some calibre restrictions. A Smith & Wesson Model 500, for example, is illegal due to its high power, but other, less powerful, guns are legal as they are used in sports shooting. Norway has a long tradition of high-end sports shooting competitions, especially rifle shooting. Each calibre must be used in some type of competition to be allowed. Also, there is a restriction on the number of weapons an owner can have for each calibre. For recreational shooters, only one gun is allowed in each calibre. For professional and semi-professional shooters, a spare gun is allowed. A recreational shooter is only allowed to own four different handguns. To obtain more, documentation on extensive involvement in sport shooting is needed.</i><br /><br />NJ doesn't come close. (And you're speakign to someone who believes that NJ firearms law is marginally worse for legal firearms owners than, say, MA, due to the vagueness in the statutes and judicicial "interpretation".)Ian Argenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03704336044732061128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-19957034629926908332011-07-27T16:44:52.056-04:002011-07-27T16:44:52.056-04:00It ain't hype if it's fact, whether you...It ain't hype if it's fact, whether you're talking NJ, NY, Mass, or Cali...<br /><br />And unless the oppressed folks in those places want to work towards the precedents set in let's say, England, the more discussion, complaining, and "sunshine", the better. And that's helpful as hell.<br /><br />ATAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-32764252767896918632011-07-27T09:58:27.878-04:002011-07-27T09:58:27.878-04:00If I wanted to purchase a longarm privately, that ...If I wanted to purchase a longarm privately, that would be about the extent of the paperwork required as well. (There's a certificate of Eligibility that the seller has to keep, but it is available as a pdf). And if I was willing to keep up with rotating pistol permits (at roughly $10 every 3-6 months), it could be that easy for a pistol; the paperwork laws are surpassingly easy to game as long as your local CLEO isn't a total asshole.<br /><br />I'm not trying to say that NJ's gun laws are good, or even constitutional. But, there are three changes that would make NJ's gun laws compare favorably with, say, PA's. Eliminate the FID and Permit to Purchase in favor of NICS, require a Permit to Carry to be shall-issue after passing NICS, and delete the 7-day waiting period for purchasing a handgun after applying for paperwork. Ok, 2 more: eliminate the state AWB and the restrictions on possessing hollowpoints in public.<br /><br />All of these can be done by quite legally-conservative court rulings. There's a suit to force shall-issue in federal court now, with action expected in september.<br /><br />I don't find hyperbole about NJ's gun laws to be helpful. They're plenty bad, but making them out to be worse than they are distracts from what can and what needs to be done.Ian Argenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03704336044732061128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-8290646395273571302011-07-27T09:02:23.871-04:002011-07-27T09:02:23.871-04:00"The paperwork required..."
Yeah, that ..."The paperwork required..."<br /><br />Yeah, that was the point of my America crack...<br /><br />Fla is way not perfect, but Monday in my son's shop an old fellow sold me his silver coin horde and asked who might buy a few handguns. I told him I'm not in the gun biz anymore but might be interested in a private purchase. Yesterday he brought in a non-Walther P-38 WWII bringback, a 576--- numbered S&W .38 (probably about 1927)...and a G17. I bought the first two and let him keep the Glock. Son has a 27 in the store, and I still have a long-slide .45 in the safe. I wrote him a dated and numbered receipt to sign and handed him $500, and that was the extent of the "paperwork".<br /><br />Don't dislike Glocks as they are super-efficient at what they do, but I didn't need it. This area was awash in 17's in the 90's when the cop shops were switching to .40's and the wholesalers were dumping 9's for cheap, usually with 2 or 3 mags, which I crassly and capitalisticly sold separately for about $100 a pop...that was of course the days of the 2nd Salesman of the Year for FFL's.<br /><br />ATAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-38509095721999708182011-07-26T22:37:56.125-04:002011-07-26T22:37:56.125-04:00Oh, they're not rare or anything; I have one m...Oh, they're not <i>rare</i> or anything; I have one myself. The paperwork required to purchase any pistols is annoyingly tedious to acquire, that's all.Ian Argenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03704336044732061128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-67585026182207855762011-07-26T21:24:54.181-04:002011-07-26T21:24:54.181-04:00Ian,
"The Glock 17 is a bit more of a bear t...Ian,<br /><br />"The Glock 17 is a bit more of a bear to get ahold of..."<br /><br />Damn things are hard to avoid here in America. For now.<br /><br />ATAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-81036655409100766452011-07-26T21:18:49.117-04:002011-07-26T21:18:49.117-04:00...and today it's vid games.
Guns, right-wing......and today it's vid games.<br /><br />Guns, right-wing blogs, and WoW.<br /><br />Keep in mind it's not the freak himself desperately laying this blame, it's media and...???<br /><br />Funny, because the truth is a punchline, but you'll never hear it mentioned.<br /><br />That's right; the devil made him do it.<br /><br />ATAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-48642991341110890332011-07-26T18:54:48.509-04:002011-07-26T18:54:48.509-04:00Nah - NJ is a gun-onwer's paradise compared to...Nah - NJ is a gun-onwer's paradise compared to Norway, based on what I've been reading. With a very nearly shall-issue lifetime piece of paper, I can buy many different longarms (though it's possible that this dude's tacticool Mini-14 is verboten in the Garden State, depending on the accessories, oddly enough), as many as I like, without any kind of training or storage requirement (other than a vaguely worded law about allowing unsupervised access to a loaded firearm to a minor under 14; which, while I don't believe ought to be a law, is still a good idea).<br /><br />The Glock 17 is a bit more of a bear to get ahold of, but the paperwork to purchase is again very nearly shall-issue, and I'd personally rather get the G19 if I was bent on mayhem, as due to the quirks of NJ law vs other AWB, I can legally purchase a higher capacity magazine for the -19 than the -17...<br /><br />I will note that almost all of the "we don't want to <i>ban</i> firearms, just ensure "responsible" people own and possess them" laws were in place in Norway (belong to a club, demonstrate need for sport, mental eval, &c.) None of that stopped this guyIan Argenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03704336044732061128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-39709927449519659052011-07-26T02:09:04.012-04:002011-07-26T02:09:04.012-04:00The Tsar Bomba didn't kill anyone. It was a v...The Tsar Bomba didn't kill anyone. It was a very silly PR stunt on uninhabited ground.<br /><br />I think the record is either the FN Model 1912 in .32ACP, killing 37 million people with two bullets, fired into Archduke Ferdinand, or the 1895 Nagant revolver, with 14 million victims kneeling 6" from the muzzle.<br /><br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2011/jul/24/norway-anders-behring-breivik-beliefs?intcmp=239 And I think this moron and all the commenters should be fed into a logchipper. Especially given the English HISTORY of outbreeding the enemy as a strategy.Michael Z. Williamsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13543005122174458805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-20873388635498612702011-07-25T20:41:33.517-04:002011-07-25T20:41:33.517-04:00According to the NBC nightly news, apparently &quo...According to the NBC nightly news, apparently "right wing bloggers" are responsible for this "hate crime", and Homeland Security is "investigating" the connection.<br /><br />That means they're reading this blog. Talk about dancing in blood...and attacking gun rights ain't the half of it. Chilling.<br /><br />ATAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-75165778812599232002011-07-25T17:16:35.690-04:002011-07-25T17:16:35.690-04:00I don't know how a single gunman can attack at...<i>I don't know how a single gunman can attack at will an island with over 600 people on it. With no apparent resistance. Everything I am reading has people walking and running up to him for help, well after he started shooting people.</i><br /><br />The Japanese used to be Samurai.<br />Scandanavians used to be Vikings.<br />Lots of parallels in Europe.Dranghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08082177597135236652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-77286010376811569662011-07-25T17:11:26.482-04:002011-07-25T17:11:26.482-04:00It should be noted this is one of Mike Lupica'...It should be noted this is one of Mike Lupica's tamer moments. He previously blamed the death of Steve McNair on the American gun culture. (Which is odd, because it was McNair's mistress who actually pulled the trigger.)<br /><br />Lupica's still full of it, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-19572533312629300082011-07-25T17:03:06.523-04:002011-07-25T17:03:06.523-04:00"I just assumed he was getting some tumble on..."<i>I just assumed he was getting some tumble on the .223's.</i>"<br /><br />That's a possibility, too, but I think hollowpoints are probably more likely.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-85849006992778735112011-07-25T13:54:26.668-04:002011-07-25T13:54:26.668-04:00They keep calling the weapon used an assault rifle...They keep calling the weapon used an assault rifle, or a machine gun... <br /><br />I can't imagine them getting the ammo used correct.Woodmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17258502914515356626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-42499207210023249392011-07-25T13:44:04.730-04:002011-07-25T13:44:04.730-04:00I just assumed he was getting some tumble on the ....I just assumed he was getting some tumble on the .223's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-4213834817060153122011-07-25T13:09:47.971-04:002011-07-25T13:09:47.971-04:00Ah, okay. For some strange reason I was thinking o...Ah, okay. For some strange reason I was thinking of pistol ammunition, but either way it's aggravating to hear them not give a less biased explanation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-42714154196326389422011-07-25T12:45:56.798-04:002011-07-25T12:45:56.798-04:00southeasttexaspistolero,
Reading between the line...southeasttexaspistolero,<br /><br />Reading between the lines, it was maybe some .223 varmint load or another. Ballistic Tips, Blitzkings, V-Max, something like that.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-80877902494601319932011-07-25T12:34:45.167-04:002011-07-25T12:34:45.167-04:00Somebody 'splain somethin' to me.
Norwegi...Somebody 'splain somethin' to me.<br /><br />Norwegian doctors have been quoted as saying the shooter used "dum-dum bullets," as if they were some sort of extra-lethal bullets that were tested on baby seals or something. Are they not just talking about plain old hollow-point or soft-point ammunition? You know, the ammunition carried by most if not all CCW holders to minimize the chance of wounding an innocent bystander?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-13012289900990743152011-07-25T12:22:40.684-04:002011-07-25T12:22:40.684-04:00Please be careful out there.
Events like this giv...Please be careful out there.<br /><br />Events like this give other Crazies encouragement, thanks to the media coverage. Just enough to tip them over. Just enough good ideas to increase the body count.<br /><br />"Hey, Dress like a cop!"<br /><br />"Hey, Pick a controlled access gun free zone!"<br /><br />Be careful out there.Martyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00739185031970869406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-82960391917780341482011-07-25T11:59:18.734-04:002011-07-25T11:59:18.734-04:00"I don't know how a single gunman can att..."I don't know how a single gunman can attack at will an island with over 600 people on it. With no apparent resistance. Everything I am reading has people walking and running up to him for help, well after he started shooting people."<br /><br />I can explain it in a single word:<br /><br />"Eloi" <br /><br />jimbob86jimbob86noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-41018641581004123452011-07-25T11:32:24.900-04:002011-07-25T11:32:24.900-04:00So far, governments seem to hold the record for de...So far, governments seem to hold the record for dead bodies. Disarm government people, not citizens.Desertrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09860257698839313423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-25362725733822683632011-07-25T11:26:10.561-04:002011-07-25T11:26:10.561-04:00Windows in buildings need to be fixed shut so that...Windows in buildings need to be fixed shut so that the HVAC works properly and everybody breathes the same Lotus-scented air.NotClauswitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14358707844087117280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-2929063998598704852011-07-25T11:18:52.122-04:002011-07-25T11:18:52.122-04:00But ya know... Windows are like minds -- they work...But ya know... Windows are like minds -- they work best when they're open. I would bet you COULD not get a window open at the New York Times.<br /><br />MMark Algerhttp://www.babytrollblog.comnoreply@blogger.com