tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post3403701114881368581..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: Trunk Gun in the Zed Drei: Paranoia or Preparedness?Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-79981136366767253102010-11-17T22:48:09.713-05:002010-11-17T22:48:09.713-05:00Before the fun stuff, a quick legal warning:
Some ...Before the fun stuff, a quick legal warning:<br />Some states start with making it a crime to "possess a weapon with the intent to go armed." Then they created an exception for handguns in possession of permit holders. However, it may remain illegal to be in possession of any other firearm "with the intent to go armed." So, you may be in lawful possession of your carry pistol, but in commission of a felony with a rifle in your trunk, on in the proverbial "shotgun rack" that used to decorate the back window of every truck I saw where I grew up.<br /><br />Now, though, with that wet blanket comment out of the way, I guess the starting point is the purpose for the trunk-gun:<br />Mission: I can foresee attending a sport event where a sniper-murderer starts shooting. Will pointed out above that the best thing might be just to leave, but what if your kids are on the field? Weapon #1 is the cell phone but the scenario might demand immediate response.<br />Another consideration is the likelihood of getting shot by the arriving first-responder law enforcers.<br />Mission: Traveling through isolated, flat, relatively bare country--I am thinking much of the American West here. We vacationed out west one summer when the news was warning of a band of highwaymen stopping vacationers and robbing them. I could have seen them backing off if you shot back, just standing off in the distance, and dropping rifle rounds on you. Your .380 just wouldn't be enough.<br />My conclusion: <br />Don't carry a trunk-gun if it's a felony.<br />Older, rugged, non-collector's item, such as the Enfield .303, or the Mosin-Nagant someone else mentioned. Also, as an "antique" it might not raise the ire of local law enforcement like an M1A or super-sniper rifle would.<br />M-1 carbine,perhaps, although the values have gone up ascending it beyond trunk-gun status probably. Also, 300yds would be good.<br />There are lots of lever-actions for sale out there. Cheap, rugged, got some power and some range.MJMhttp://mjm.luckygunner.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-73372667258140123422010-11-17T11:04:11.915-05:002010-11-17T11:04:11.915-05:00I live in earthquake country and we're perpetu...I live in earthquake country and we're perpetually waiting for the proverbial "big one". I kept a Marlin 1894 in .44 Mag in my truck in case road damage cut me off from home and all hell broke out a la New Orleans during Katrina. At least that's the reason I gave people who asked why I kept a gun in my truck; the real reason was because I could.<br /><br />I chose the Marlin because it was the only gun I owned that fit in the narrow storage space under my rear seats. I stopped keeping it there because I decided to go back to school and no guns are allowed, even in the parking lot.Dannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-20044321249115854992010-11-15T14:45:26.988-05:002010-11-15T14:45:26.988-05:00Tam, There is nothing wrong with doing something &...Tam, There is nothing wrong with doing something "just because you can".<br />This is still America.sobriant74https://www.blogger.com/profile/02419780237703409179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-86682836720288059552010-11-13T23:52:17.578-05:002010-11-13T23:52:17.578-05:00How about an SKS dropped into a polymer folder, al...How about an SKS dropped into a polymer folder, along with a coach gun?<br /><br />I've just decided I need one of each, and this thread provides some great excuses (sorry, "reasons") to buy them.<br /><br />wv: hesse. Hmm -- does that mean my trunk guns would be mercenaries?Beaumontnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-67951464581910141132010-11-13T19:42:37.205-05:002010-11-13T19:42:37.205-05:00Here's your scenario: The mad sniper in the cl...Here's your scenario: The mad sniper in the clock tower:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman#Sniper_fire_commences<br /><br />It was cops that finally climbed the tower and nailed him, but some of them were carrying rifles borrowed from "civilians", and several civilian riflemen helped keep Whitman occupied while the cops moved in.<br /><br />OTOH, today's cops might not be able to comprehend that armed "civilians" were there to help...markmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-67318340188576978072010-11-13T17:07:30.290-05:002010-11-13T17:07:30.290-05:00Seems to me the reasons to carry a long gun in an ...Seems to me the reasons to carry a long gun in an urban vehicle fall into two areas. One would be self defense in a riot scenario, such as the Rodney King/LA situation. <br /><br />Second would be for offensive use in an active mass shooter situation. This could be driving past a schoolyard and seeing/hearing a person(s) shooting at the kids, which, so far, is the most common type of mass shooting in the US.<br /><br />I suspect that the majority of gunnies would consider the first reason to be valid, but few would entertain the second as being appropriate for them. In fact, I would further posit that most would not carry a long gun, so if they happen to be in the position of being early on the scene, they can excuse themselves by claiming to be unequiped for the job, even if ccw'ing. Just human nature at work.Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722792638246578812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-25802596817097918902010-11-13T17:04:18.163-05:002010-11-13T17:04:18.163-05:00RauĆ°bjorn,
"There are some very nice gun rac...RauĆ°bjorn,<br /><br />"<i>There are some very nice gun racks that fit "over the seat back" as well as ceiling-mount racks to keep her out of the way.</i>"<br /><br />Not many long gun racks are 2-seat roadster compatible. (And I don't want to store a long gun where anybody with a boxcutter can get to it.)Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-86688038066888803032010-11-13T14:44:25.858-05:002010-11-13T14:44:25.858-05:00Plain Truth and Full Disclosure...
I've got a...Plain Truth and Full Disclosure...<br /><br />I've got a relatively well-stocked car to include rifle (Win Mod94 for those interested). But one thing no one seems to have mentioned is the one thing you really ought to have in your car (and in abundance in your home).<br /><br />Fire extinguisher.<br /><br />My rifle rides in the "way back" of my Cherokee, but the little fire extinguisher rides up in front just under my seat.<br /><br />Just keepin' it real.<br /><br />gviglobal village idiotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-91957655188727690092010-11-13T14:26:14.384-05:002010-11-13T14:26:14.384-05:00If there's a little voice in the back of your ...If there's a little voice in the back of your head telling you to do it, Tam, I'd listen to it... the little voices in your head usually know what they're talking about. <br /><br />Unless they're telling you to vote liberal, that is. Then you terminate them with great prejudice.Rosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06200886189047167777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-80167031572884719672010-11-13T14:14:19.496-05:002010-11-13T14:14:19.496-05:00Trust your gut. Is it going to HURT anything to k...Trust your gut. Is it going to HURT anything to keep one in there? Do it.Tangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04787263211016503098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-84844645939379510402010-11-13T10:46:13.764-05:002010-11-13T10:46:13.764-05:00To eliminate the accessibility part of your compla...To eliminate the accessibility part of your complaint, don't keep the long gun in the trunk. Keep it in the cabin where you can get to it. There are some very nice gun racks that fit "over the seat back" as well as ceiling-mount racks to keep her out of the way.Bryan Reavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07775461442776693282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-80143575719606853862010-11-13T10:11:38.827-05:002010-11-13T10:11:38.827-05:00If compact and cheap are the main criteria, I'...If compact and cheap are the main criteria, I'd seriously look at a Rossi combo-package. They break down into a nice little set of stock/receiver, fore-end, and barrels. It all packs into a VERY discreet black nylon case that doesn't scream, 'firearm". Maybe the .22/20-gauge combo...there's little a 20-ga slug won't stop in either a rural or urban area, and the .22 is, well, a .22.<br /><br />They're only single-shot break-action, but dog-reliable, and I picked up one at Fleet-Farm on sale for right around $100.Blackwing1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-64839590686322478112010-11-13T00:31:21.885-05:002010-11-13T00:31:21.885-05:00"Mr. John Flamingpants?" ;)
If it keeps...<i>"Mr. John Flamingpants?" ;)</i><br /><br />If it keeps the zombies away should I ever find myself fighting a zombie horde on Halsted Street, I'll call it whatever it wants. I've still got a few friends who live around that area of Chicago, so why should all of Chicago fall to the zombie horde?Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16125872944300826806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-35569877121930612832010-11-12T21:55:13.895-05:002010-11-12T21:55:13.895-05:00I figure two requirements for a car gun whether sh...I figure two requirements for a car gun whether short or long are:<br /><br />- Relatively cheap, because it could get stolen and because it's going to live a hard life. I haven't even sprung for an AR-15 for safe queen duty. I'm sure not going to toss one in the boot.<br /><br />- Corrosion-resistant, because in Tennessee and other places in the east there's plenty of humidity. <br />So for me it's stainless, aluminum, and polymer for the main parts. (Functionally, wood's actually OK for stocks and grips, though I've got a couple guns with nice walnut I wouldn't think of keeping in a trunk, just because I like the wood too much).<br /><br />- A nice optional feature is to be able to easily carry the thing away from the car without drawing attention if you should need to. So a handgun that's concealable, and for long guns it would be nice if you could easily break it down and toss it into a daypack or suitcase.<br /><br />I've got lots of handguns that meet all three criteria. The only long gun I have that does all three is a Ruger 10/22 with a stainless barrel and aluminum receiver. I'm just not sure it's worth carrying when I have handguns that are more powerful.Les Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03389811940518627023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-57740533533462457192010-11-12T20:22:57.520-05:002010-11-12T20:22:57.520-05:00A trainer in a class I just took said that he had ...A trainer in a class I just took said that he had once heard that there were three things you'll never catch yourself saying in a gunfight:<br /><br />"I wish I had a smaller gun."<br /><br />"I wish I had less ammunition."<br /><br />"I wish I hadn't trained so much."<br /><br />So yeah, more often than not I have my AR and about 5 or 6 mags in my trunk.<br /><br />And also...because I can.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09781711504345298784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-40578636058791738222010-11-12T19:45:56.097-05:002010-11-12T19:45:56.097-05:00I've always liked the Savage combo guns, like ...I've always liked the Savage combo guns, like the 24F with the 20 gauge and 223. You can put slugs in the 20 gauge, too. Seems like it'd be an ideal "Survival" rifle.<br /><br />hey- shotshells, bullets, you know what'd be GREAT? A Taurus Ju..mmffmfmlllffmm!!<br /><br />WV: Uncest. The Judge is the bastard offspring of an uncestual relationship.oghttp://www.neanderpundit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-88889599889889688662010-11-12T19:22:13.681-05:002010-11-12T19:22:13.681-05:00SKS is the answer.
But no extended magazines, no ...SKS is the answer.<br /><br />But no extended magazines, no folding stocks, nothing but the original as-issued gun.<br /><br />And a bandolier of loaded stripper clips to toss over a shoulder.Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05699652902909032781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-5010684185947166452010-11-12T19:18:37.092-05:002010-11-12T19:18:37.092-05:00I decided to pick a "do everything" long...I decided to pick a "do everything" long gun 15 or so years ago, and wound up with a Stoeger Coach Gun. Takes down and re-assembles without tools. Overall length 22" cased (fits in a document case or a big computer bag). It also fit into the luggage bag on my BMW R100GS. <br /><br />I usually carry 5 rds buck, 5 rds slug, 5 rds 3" BB (Coyote/predator loads), 25 rds "Dove and Quail" ammo. Choked IC & Mod, nickel plated, with a solid rib and single bead front sight. I keep a 5 rd nylon butt stock ammo carrier that goes on in about a minute. I added sling swivel studs to the butt stock and under the barrel in front of the fore-grip, and keep a cheap nylon strap on Q.D. swivels. I also shortened the stock and added a very squishy recoil pad to make it more comfortable to shoot.<br /><br />It Groups slugs into about 3-4" at 50 yards from alternating barrels, about 5 inches at 100 yards from the "Sweet" right side barrel with the better trigger that also lines up with the bead sight.<br /><br />I've used that setup for hunting deer, boar and coyote with slugs and buckshot. I've hunted quail, dove, ducks, geese, and turkeys with appropriate shot. I use it for primary bear defense in S.E. Alaska with 3" Breneke slugs. My thinking is if 2 fast shots were good enough on my cape buffalo hunt, why wouldn't they be adequate in brown bear country? Same setup in S.E. Alaska, just switch to steel or unobtanium shot for waterfowl hunting. It's become my "always have it along" hunting companion, and has accounted for more game than all of my other guns combined. Works on the skeet and sporting clays field, but not really comfortable for long shooting strings.<br /><br />It's not so scary that it makes the uninitiated nervous if they see it because it doesn't have a "shoulder thing that goes up" or a "big clip." I keep a hunting photo album in the case (20 photos printed on normal paper in a folder) showing me using it all around the country on game in case anyone questions why I have a shotgun in my trunk. And I don't feel under-protected with it as a primary long arm. As one of the Gunsite instructors pointed out years ago when he saw it, "if you know what you're doing with that setup, then nothing survives within 50 yards of you without your permission."<br /><br />My hunting partner called it my "Pimp gun" years ago when I first got it because of the nickel finish. 15 years later, he fondly calls it "The Crumpler."<br /><br />FormerFlyerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-26600237063659971252010-11-12T19:06:25.481-05:002010-11-12T19:06:25.481-05:00The spare tire in my Plymouth station wagon used t...The spare tire in my Plymouth station wagon used to share the tire well with the World's Ugliest .22. Marlin M60 shortened in barrel and mag tube, new model feed block, old model front sight/barrel band, brass hinges on the stock, everything legal. Still have the rifle.Ritchienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-32431730236355101592010-11-12T18:21:31.980-05:002010-11-12T18:21:31.980-05:00Dammit, I was hoping you'd picked me a Steyr S...Dammit, I was hoping you'd picked me a Steyr Scout! ;)Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-18903486796773927632010-11-12T18:18:17.649-05:002010-11-12T18:18:17.649-05:00Stupid fingers!! I picked UP a Scout.Stupid fingers!! I picked UP a Scout.rremingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07700598824835257409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-46376663047475550742010-11-12T18:17:10.985-05:002010-11-12T18:17:10.985-05:00I can't stand having a vehicle without a rifle...I can't stand having a vehicle without a rifle in it. Makes me nervous.<br /><br />Back when I had a bigger discretionary budget, I picked you a Steyr Scout in .308. To me it's the ideal truck (trunk) gun. Handiest thing since the call phone. Should be able to handle anything that pops up....rremingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07700598824835257409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-58353542752284547062010-11-12T18:04:30.891-05:002010-11-12T18:04:30.891-05:00Jason,
"Mr. John Flamingpants?" ;)Jason,<br /><br />"Mr. John Flamingpants?" ;)Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-58071469378357655212010-11-12T16:37:17.379-05:002010-11-12T16:37:17.379-05:00The only problem with the M95 is that I couldn'...The only problem with the M95 is that I couldn't carry it down Halsted Street in Chicago.<br /><br />"Crap! Zombies! Sit tight while I get my Hungarian Mannlicher from the truck!"<br /><br />"Is he cute?"<br /><br />"Hell, I'll name it Herr Johann Feuerhosen if it kills zombies dead!"<br /><br />WV: matows. The anti-tank missile for the Bay Staters.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16125872944300826806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-32165734308049547492010-11-12T15:03:49.063-05:002010-11-12T15:03:49.063-05:00A stainless 10/22 with:
- A couple of 500-round br...A stainless 10/22 with:<br />- A couple of 500-round bricks of HP ammo<br />- A couple of standard Ruger 10-round mags<br />- A couple of 25-round mags<br />reside in my truck, sealed in a ZeeRust poly bag. I just shoot up the ammo once a year and replace it with new, clean the rifle, and back it goes.<br /><br />That's along with the usual gear in the toolbox...winter parka, 4-ton come-along, sleeping bag, candles & candle-lantern, small camping pot, power bars, granola bars, a couple MRE's, jumper cables, small tool kit, fire extinguisher, bungies, tie-down straps, rope, tow strap, a couple quarts of oil, a gallon of anti-freeze, a gallon of gas...you know, the stuff everybody carries all the time.<br /><br />Wow, I love having a truck...Blackwing1noreply@blogger.com