tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post4540241862614440413..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: "You know who designed that gun?"Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-5724178558336112892009-01-24T07:53:00.000-05:002009-01-24T07:53:00.000-05:00I always thought it interesting that Browning alwa...I always thought it interesting that Browning always used some form of vertical locking bolt in all of his locked breech firearms, whether it was the Winchester 1885 single shot, the 1894 lever action, the 1911 pistol or the M2 machine gun. Can anyone think of a rotating bolt in any Browning designs?<BR/><BR/>One other thing, the story goes that young JMB designed the rifle that became the Winchester 1885 after was repairing a single shot rifle when his father quipped that JMB could deign a better gun. Anyone willing to guess what that other rifle was?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-65211753406996501742009-01-24T01:23:00.000-05:002009-01-24T01:23:00.000-05:00Don Meaker:There are thousands of great designers....Don Meaker:<BR/><I><BR/>There are thousands of great designers....<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>It's not that he was great, it's that he was <I>consistently</I> great.davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13579043129470256468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-84477176566516558212009-01-23T18:35:00.000-05:002009-01-23T18:35:00.000-05:00"Overall, I think that Beretta's rotation barrel/b..."<I>Overall, I think that Beretta's rotation barrel/breach is slightly better than JMB's tilting design.</I>"<BR/><BR/>1) I'd quibble with the "better" part, save maybe if you wished to suppress the weapon (although you still have to account for the suppressor's added mass damping barrel motion, which is required for unlocking/function.)<BR/><BR/>2) It ain't either "Beretta's" rotating barrel short recoil system. It was first used on the Roth-Steyr of 1907, AFAIK, and has subsequently been used on the Knight/Stoner/Colt 2000 and the SIG-Mauser M2, as well as the Beretta Cougar and 9000...Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-19490415382076006542009-01-23T16:39:00.000-05:002009-01-23T16:39:00.000-05:00Tamara:100 percent agree, but a minor nit. Overal...Tamara:<BR/><BR/>100 percent agree, but a minor nit. Overall, I think that Beretta's rotation barrel/breach is slightly better than JMB's tilting design. Yes it is more complex (JMB didn't have CNC machinery), but it makes front sight and screw on silencers so much easier.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-91445738792131900842009-01-23T14:56:00.000-05:002009-01-23T14:56:00.000-05:00I believe when the French government hired Brownin...I believe when the French government hired Browning, they were the ones that specified that the new pistol include a trigger disconnect. My knowledge is based on a consensus of Browning GP fans. Unfortunately, I don't have a cite.<BR/><BR/>I always wonder about the credit to Browning for Winchester's later lever-action guns. The design seems to be a derivation of D. B. Wesson's earlier one. If we're going to include derivatives, I can say with confidence that every self-loading pistol I've ever owned is a derivative from three of Browning's most famous designs.<BR/><BR/>You know what would be easier? Making a list of auto-loader pistols that don't borrow an idea from a Browning design. Most of them are evolutionary dead-ends anyway. This is all I could come up with:<BR/><BR/>* P-08 Luger<BR/>* Dardick pistol<BR/>* "Metal Storm" pistolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-23669405001408480382009-01-23T14:41:00.000-05:002009-01-23T14:41:00.000-05:00Tam, What about the Winchester 1906 pump-action ri...Tam, <BR/><BR/>What about the Winchester 1906 pump-action rifle? Or does that not count because it's a descendant of the 1890?<BR/><BR/>(Why, yes, I *am* pumping up the # of JMB creations I own, why do you ask?) :)Jay Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11085873775096542015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-73247255337677414382009-01-23T14:11:00.000-05:002009-01-23T14:11:00.000-05:00I think that, if John Browning were alive today, h...I think that, if John Browning were alive today, he'd be clawing frantically at the inside of his coffin...<BR/><BR/>(17 posts in and no one made that joke yet?)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04897541740818276304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-58248593655291747192009-01-23T13:08:00.000-05:002009-01-23T13:08:00.000-05:00I think, were JMB alive today, he'd be doing inter...I think, were JMB alive today, he'd be doing interesting things with caseless ammo and compressed liquid fuel, a la cordless nail guns. I think he'd manage, even in this day of Nothing New Under The Sun, to amaze us with something we hadn't seen or thought of before, that would work.Matt Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03500429239798601210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-13790728337523701202009-01-23T13:06:00.000-05:002009-01-23T13:06:00.000-05:00Texas is Texas. But the .25 ACP is the worst thin...Texas is Texas. <BR/><BR/>But the .25 ACP is the worst thing he ever invented. Most of the rest of them are pretty useful.<BR/><BR/>What would JMB do today? I have been an engineer on the B-2, F-35, B-1B, F-20, F-16, F-15, as well as an assortment of missiles, guided bombs and pods. But my patent is for a rifle operating system.<BR/><BR/>Westinghouse developed the pneumatic brake system used on trains. Before that, brake men had to run from rooftop to rooftop setting brakes by hand, in rain, sleet, and snow, and occasionally would fall off. The pneumatic brake system is still used on trucks and trains today, with the brakes on all the time unless turned off.<BR/><BR/>My point, and I do have one, is that JMB was not near as special as some may suppose. There are thousands of great designers, and i have meet hundreds of them.<BR/><BR/>Patent 6,076,138Don Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06057058763094040058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-82297772547384362532009-01-23T11:43:00.000-05:002009-01-23T11:43:00.000-05:00Just out of curiosity, I wondered what would show ...Just out of curiosity, I wondered what would show up on Google for John Moses Browning (besides the obligatory Wikipedia link) and this came up at top: http://www.northstar.k12.ak.us/schools/ryn/projects/inventors/browning/browning.html<BR/><BR/>If Sarah Brady saw that she would have an embolism. I thought pictures of guns on a school web site would be verboten in Obama's America. I guess he'll get around to that after we all get our unicorns.Armed Texanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06618815925795787133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-86333306134050042552009-01-23T10:43:00.000-05:002009-01-23T10:43:00.000-05:00You really need to make a road trip to come and vi...You really need to make a road trip to come and visit John's workshop, on display in a museum dedicated to his life and craft. There are prototypes and first builds of many of his guns. The museum is a great place to spend an afternoon if it is too hot to go to the desert to go shooting.<BR/><BR/>Let me know when you can make it, I'll inflate the air mattress for you.Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13163951461124409035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-82780422986799923572009-01-23T10:00:00.000-05:002009-01-23T10:00:00.000-05:00I am always curious to ponder what JMB would be do...I am always curious to ponder what JMB would be doing today if he were still alive. The advent of polymer pistols, updates to the 1911 frame, and advances in different cartridges (45 G.A.P., 40 S&W). With the advances in technology I bet he would like a kid in a candy store today.atlharphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02038518966004553345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-1082208066590370922009-01-23T09:14:00.000-05:002009-01-23T09:14:00.000-05:00Nathan,See what I did there?Nathan,<BR/><BR/>See what I did there?Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-47601416660396183992009-01-23T09:12:00.000-05:002009-01-23T09:12:00.000-05:00Or daughter, sorry Tam...Or daughter, sorry Tam...Daniel Shorthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687888014105537259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-43851448404828841972009-01-23T09:11:00.000-05:002009-01-23T09:11:00.000-05:00I still hunt with the Remington Model 11 that my g...I still hunt with the Remington Model 11 that my grandfather passed down to me. I hope to someday pass it on to one of my sons or grandsons as well. Built in the early 1920's and is still a better piece than what is out there today.Daniel Shorthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687888014105537259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-33008059718260363972009-01-23T09:07:00.000-05:002009-01-23T09:07:00.000-05:00Weer'd Beard,"Did JMB invent the Mag disconnect?"I...Weer'd Beard,<BR/><BR/>"<I>Did JMB invent the Mag disconnect?</I>"<BR/><BR/>I think that was added to his guns later; I know the Vest Pocket and Pocket Hammerless didn't acquire theirs until they'd been in production quite a while.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-9502087589535244342009-01-23T09:01:00.000-05:002009-01-23T09:01:00.000-05:00"About the only type of gun design he never really..."About the only type of gun design he never really turned his hand to was revolvers and after all, why reinvent the wheel?"<BR/><BR/>Heh.Fuzzy Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03802539927743643041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-36079501874703111852009-01-23T08:59:00.000-05:002009-01-23T08:59:00.000-05:00yes, i know you're a traditionalist, and this is j...yes, i know you're a traditionalist, and this is jmb's actual birthday...but if we're gonna have a january monday holiday, could there really be a candidate for celebration that had more to do with making our past and present survivable...and fun?<BR/><BR/>jmb day...i like the sound of that. and we could have lots of roads named after him in the bitter clingy parts of town...jmb blvds., aves. and lanes all over the place. :o)<BR/><BR/>jtcthe pawnbrokerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16643081755036536592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-79758945663503500322009-01-23T08:55:00.000-05:002009-01-23T08:55:00.000-05:00Hey Tam, since we're on the subject, I've been tr...Hey Tam, since we're on the subject, I've been trying to find this out.<BR/><BR/>Did JMB invent the Mag disconnect? Seems that most of the eirliest examples of mag disconnects are on his guns, and he certainly favored them in designs (I'm damn curious why...)<BR/><BR/>So was that him, or did somebody else come up with that rotten idea?Weer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-64781720186725979652009-01-23T08:10:00.000-05:002009-01-23T08:10:00.000-05:00Never in real life. :(Never in real life. :(Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-29125388781920905692009-01-23T08:08:00.000-05:002009-01-23T08:08:00.000-05:00Praise be his name. Did you ever see one of his da...Praise be his name. Did you ever see one of his dad's harmonica guns?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-5110706467375096422009-01-23T07:42:00.000-05:002009-01-23T07:42:00.000-05:00Not too many problems you can't fix with either gu...Not too many problems you can't fix with either gun tape, lockwire, or an M2HB.<BR/><BR/>JimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-86641292402640801172009-01-23T07:33:00.000-05:002009-01-23T07:33:00.000-05:00a few of his designs were improved eventually. Som...a few of his designs were improved eventually. Some, like the Auto 22, are still the pinnacle of the art.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-88324526317132971272009-01-23T07:12:00.000-05:002009-01-23T07:12:00.000-05:00Sad thing is, I didn't need to read past the title...Sad thing is, I didn't need to read past the title to know it's be about JMB (PBUH)Cybrluditehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02222195374935367060noreply@blogger.com