tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post4790847155191028289..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: How's that work, again?Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-83203531701607112102013-01-07T14:54:50.154-05:002013-01-07T14:54:50.154-05:00It started in the early fourties when the Red Army...It started in the early fourties when the Red Army Faction began targeting politicians, industrialists and attorney generals.T.Stahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05351094909296928284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-74983448939635142402013-01-07T02:16:31.883-05:002013-01-07T02:16:31.883-05:00Did they do that non-centralized gun registration ...Did they do that non-centralized gun registration about the time that we copied some of the Nazi era gun regs? (1968 GCA)<br /><br />As I recall, the US Army officials found those town hall gun registries very useful when they rolled into a freshly overrun area.Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722792638246578812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-11508416175547324392013-01-06T18:14:19.952-05:002013-01-06T18:14:19.952-05:00I'm not for registration. Just like you I thin...I'm not for registration. Just like you I think it's none of the governments *beep*ing business to know if or what guns I own as long as I don't *beep* up and harm others.<br /><br />What I'm complaining about or what I try to correct is some people's impression or opinion that SUDDENLY the German government decided to register all legal guns. They did that four decades ago. And provided a the German civil servants know how to keep a file (which I sometimes doubt but that's another story), all guns in legal possession are already registered. The new register will not register any additional guns.<br /><br />Do you think that centralizing that database makes the already possible (!) confiscation easier?<br /><br />Well, the old, de-centralized gun register has already proved that it works just fine for confiscating guns, no central register necessary.<br /><br /><br />I see the most immediate danger for the police officers that will be called to a house for whatever reason, check that new and handy central register that's accessible on weekends beforehand for legal guns, and when that check comes up negative assume that there are no guns present at all.<br />And then, in a false sense of security, are caught unprepared.T.Stahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05351094909296928284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-24239185216348511422013-01-06T17:33:14.132-05:002013-01-06T17:33:14.132-05:00So the war is lost; might as well surrender.
Mayb...So the war is lost; might as well surrender.<br /><br />Maybe it's the Southern in me that makes me go HELLZNO! to centralized gov... <br /><br />And maybe concentration of power has never been a problem in the history of Deutschland governance?<br /><br />But I suspect that you are just stubbornly or resignedly refusing to acknowledge the progressive and proven danger that is inherent therein.<br /><br />JamesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-48616111961044915712013-01-06T16:03:14.849-05:002013-01-06T16:03:14.849-05:00James,
it is not the centralization of the German ...James,<br />it is not the centralization of the German gun registry that can lead to or make a confiscation possible, it is the registration itself.<br /><br />And that has been in place for decades.<br /><br />And has already been used for limited confiscation.<br /><br />So, please stop to claim that now that the registry will be centralized it can lead to confiscation.T.Stahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05351094909296928284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-22144840939105144722013-01-06T14:50:32.372-05:002013-01-06T14:50:32.372-05:00T. Stahl,
*Centralized* registry is a prelude to ...T. Stahl,<br /><br />*Centralized* registry is a prelude to confiscation is a prelude to...???<br /><br />Hard to see how you don't -or won't- grok that.<br /><br />JamesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-71421025253504912752013-01-06T10:38:49.737-05:002013-01-06T10:38:49.737-05:00"The things to complain about are:
1) the mon..."The things to complain about are:<br />1) the money they will waste to convert the paper based de-centralized registry to a central computer-based one and<br />2) that once all that information is centralized, the data can be stolen from a centralized source* and<br />3) the false sense of security the police will (not) enjoy when their check for legal guns comes up negative."<br /><br />Exactly the concerns raised in Canada when ours started. They didn't listen, because, like everyone knows, the only purpose of a registry is to use it to make a confiscation list.<br /><br />Ask any Canadian who USED to own a Frianci SPAS 12, MP-5 or several other firearms that were declared "Prohibited" last time around and confiscated without compensation.<br /><br />I could go on for hours about the screwup that is our system up here in Canada.<br /><br />That is why we fought so hard to get rid of ours.<br /><br />Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-3788315152443705442013-01-06T10:31:59.297-05:002013-01-06T10:31:59.297-05:00With the storm coming from the Obama administratio...With the storm coming from the Obama administration, you could hardly blame Steve for drawing parallels with the US.<br /><br />I like your slogan Steve. And while showing the general public that shooting, hunting is fun and entertaining, you should - as you do now - always teach what the 2A really is all about.<br /><br />Back in Europe we have lost that fight without even fighting...<br /><br />Calimero (I'm Annon @ 7:46 AM)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-54458005447416069302013-01-06T10:05:11.896-05:002013-01-06T10:05:11.896-05:001/1/1970 of course.1/1/1970 of course.T.Stahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05351094909296928284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-83248011808232660142013-01-06T10:04:53.589-05:002013-01-06T10:04:53.589-05:00I hardly see how that is your call, Mr. Stahl, or ...I hardly see how that is your call, Mr. Stahl, or how bickering among ourselves helps anyone. Do you really think that the situation in Germany has no parallel to our current situation here in the USA? I welcome ideas from freedom loving individuals anywhere in the world. I hope that mine can be of some help to you.<br />Good luck and keep fighting the good fight. Stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-30237470729801150052013-01-06T10:01:30.436-05:002013-01-06T10:01:30.436-05:00James,
How often do I have to repeat that the Germ...James,<br />How often do I have to repeat that the German authorities ALREADY know which guns I own?<br />If they decided to confiscate all guns of a certain category, they could ALREADY do it.<br />They already did that when they banned "non-single-shot handguns, built after Jan 1st 1070 in centerfire calibers below 6.3mm that are not propelled by the primer only."T.Stahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05351094909296928284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-53607077191272473952013-01-06T09:28:16.294-05:002013-01-06T09:28:16.294-05:00"The things to complain about are:
1) the mon..."The things to complain about are:<br />1) the money they will waste to convert the paper based de-centralized registry to a central computer-based one and<br />2) that once all that information is centralized, the data can be stolen from a centralized source* and<br />3) the false sense of security the police will (not) enjoy when their check for legal guns comes up negative."<br /><br />That your only concerns as to what Tam calls in her last sentence a "...prelude to confiscation." pertaining to the actions of a government and society still haunted by the dark vestiges of its past was my point. It could be that you are too close to see the potential; we on this side of the pond see it clearly as portent of your future...and our own.<br /><br />Nazi.gov/US...could it happen? It could if our concerns revolve around economic ineptitude and careless storage of data instead of the threat of government control of our ability to protect ourselves from them; this ain't Facebook we're talking about here.<br /><br />James <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-76854946367699277962013-01-06T09:27:47.242-05:002013-01-06T09:27:47.242-05:00Steve,
You are hijacking a post.
This post is abou...Steve,<br />You are hijacking a post.<br />This post is about a GERMAN centralized registry of legal guns, not an AMERICAN.T.Stahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05351094909296928284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-17495819223012663552013-01-06T09:23:29.002-05:002013-01-06T09:23:29.002-05:00Your argument is unassailable but I would re-phras...Your argument is unassailable but I would re-phrase it for more emotional impact. We have all of the facts on our side but we need to simplify them for dumbed down America.<br />"Obama wants to register law abiding Americans like child molesters."<br />I'm sure that we can come up with a few lines that will communicate how repulsive our political enemies are and repeat them until they penetrate the American conciousnes.Stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-66443419061787961222013-01-06T08:06:56.667-05:002013-01-06T08:06:56.667-05:00We have the political power to win this. Remember ...We have the political power to win this. Remember 1994. Make sure that your elected representative do too.Stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-1648588717163357482013-01-06T07:46:47.357-05:002013-01-06T07:46:47.357-05:00Most of our legally owned firearms are indeed alre...Most of our legally owned firearms are indeed already "confiscation-ready" here in Europe. I guess that's what T.Stahl means. As a matter of confiscation this won't do much. We're essentially already fucked.<br /><br /><br />There are nonetheless tons of firearms that are unregistered:<br />1/ firearms bought before registration was mandatory and people (wisely) chose not to register<br />2/ surplus / leftovers from WWII<br />3/ modern firearms imported through "alternate channels"<br /><br /><br />Anyway, Western Europe hasn't learnt any lesson from the 20th century. Those defects ("the government knows best what to do") are hard-grained into human psyche.<br /><br />There's no real respect for the individual. It all goes downhill from there.<br /><br />I guess Eastern Europeans might have a much better understanding of things as they've experienced the hard way the lasted iteration of "government knows best: gulag edition".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-39164939797225795382013-01-06T06:36:41.445-05:002013-01-06T06:36:41.445-05:00No, that is not the purpose of the new legislation...No, that is not the purpose of the new legislation. It will not cause me any more work. I ALREADY have to fill in a form stating seller, make, type, caliber and S/N of gun purchased, date of purchase, number and issueing authority of license used.<br /><br />AND the same has to be done by the seller, so the authorities get the basically same info from the seller and buyer.T.Stahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05351094909296928284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-76960455939805524482013-01-06T06:16:32.765-05:002013-01-06T06:16:32.765-05:00The purpose is very simple: make gun ownership as ...The purpose is very simple: make gun ownership as humanly annoying and paper-wrapped as possible, so as little people as possible own guns.MicroBalroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09620334655679046347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-13516864886456359962013-01-06T05:20:33.401-05:002013-01-06T05:20:33.401-05:00Wanna add a little more meat to that post, Anon 10...Wanna add a little more meat to that post, Anon 10:01? Now I'm curious about what he's supposedly missing too.Ted Nnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-33663590696648606552013-01-05T22:04:17.640-05:002013-01-05T22:04:17.640-05:00And what might that be that I'm clueless about...And what might that be that I'm clueless about?T.Stahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05351094909296928284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-68612626887792300372013-01-05T22:01:30.206-05:002013-01-05T22:01:30.206-05:00T. Stahl:
Your comments present a technically ac...T. Stahl: <br /><br />Your comments present a technically accurate and entirely clueless take on the gist of this post.<br /><br />JamesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-48970504725394512902013-01-05T20:45:24.282-05:002013-01-05T20:45:24.282-05:00Actually the thing to complain about is not that t...Actually the thing to complain about is not that they want to build up a centralized, computerized national _registry_ of legal guns. They have that information already. The authorities know (or should know, if they are able to keep a simple file) which guns - complete with make, model, caliber and S/N - I purchased when from whom and on which of the licenses they issued me.<br /><br />The things to complain about are:<br />1) the money they will waste to convert the paper based de-centralized registry to a central computer-based one and<br />2) that once all that information is centralized, the data can be stolen from a centralized source* and<br />3) the false sense of security the police will (not) enjoy when their check for legal guns comes up negative.**<br /><br />----------------<br />*) Not too unlikely considering the recent cases where thieves/insiders offered CDs with data regarding German tax evaders in Switzerland, other cases where CDs containing personalized data were lost, and the cases in which registries of online game customers were hacked.<br />**) Considering the 20-30 million illegal guns in Germany, a police officer should _always_ assume the presence of guns on the other side, not only when he knows that there are legal guns!T.Stahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05351094909296928284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-91453267874896917372013-01-05T20:20:26.260-05:002013-01-05T20:20:26.260-05:00Tam,
Copy. I was looking at it from a "the...Tam, <br /><br />Copy. I was looking at it from a "they've been WAY past registration before" point of view.<br /><br /><br />TravTravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06515902222246383820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-42138517099545955182013-01-05T19:57:57.164-05:002013-01-05T19:57:57.164-05:00Yeah. Saw a movie once, about a world where only t...Yeah. Saw a movie once, about a world where only the police and military had guns. Perhaps you've heard of it? "Shindler's List"JohninMd.(HELP?!)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-62254635341884307812013-01-05T19:18:24.949-05:002013-01-05T19:18:24.949-05:00Oh, Tam, you rational woman, you!
I hereby volunt...Oh, Tam, you rational woman, you!<br /><br />I hereby volunteer to buy the drinks when you meet up with the ghost of Pancho Barnes and commiserate with her about the sorryness of the general run of humans these days.Justthisguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17277333206171756636noreply@blogger.com