tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post5788774987438846589..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: Brave and crazy...Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-32992315440730104102012-01-02T14:05:06.660-05:002012-01-02T14:05:06.660-05:00Vladimir Putin, who is sitting on oil that doesn&#...Vladimir Putin, who is sitting on oil that doesn't need to pass through the Straits of Hormuz, handed them a brick and said "Go on, throw it through the window! I dare you, chicken! Don't worry, I'll cover for you."<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />And when the US Navy pulverizes every piece of military equipment within 100 miles of the Shatt al-Arab Waterway, we'll sell you replacements! <br /><br />Russkie Economic Stimulus!IllTemperedCurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-31552433028325224902012-01-02T10:09:07.712-05:002012-01-02T10:09:07.712-05:00Ah, please keep in mind that Ahmadinijahd {SP I kn...Ah, please keep in mind that Ahmadinijahd {SP I know} and at least some of the mullahs really do believe that they have a calling to initiate the chaos that will start the rule of the Mahdi and the return of Jesus. In their minds, it is their duty to do whatever is necessary to make it possible for the 12th Imam to return. Starting a war with the Little Satan or Great Satan that sucks in Russia, Saudi (more infidels according to some Shia), and anyone else would serve their purposes quite well. Yes, they are nuts by western standards, but they are devout and utterly sane by the lights of their vision of Shia Islam. The Western response is in some ways immaterial.<br /><br />LittleRed1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-54919490428395381252012-01-02T06:27:38.794-05:002012-01-02T06:27:38.794-05:00Blogger gk1 said...
Didn't the last time ...<b><i>Blogger gk1 said...<br /><br /> Didn't the last time we mix it up with the Iranian "navy" we sunk it in like what, 3 days? Zodiac boats with RPGs do not a navy make.<br /><br /> 1:22 PM, January 01, 2012</i></b><br /><br />Yeah and my favorite part was where RWR(PBuH) called destruction of the oil platforms a "measured response" <br /><br />http://articles.latimes.com/1988-04-18/news/mn-1005_1_iranian-oil-platforms<br /><br /><b><i>I think Achmedinejad would gladly exchange a few hundred Iranians and some obsolete hulls in exchange for getting four years more of the Obama administration.</i></b><br /><br />The way to a short vicious war is to set fire to every wellhead/oil platform/pipeline/storage-tank in Iran...... they would be eating their own inside of three days.Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17279097946597602013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-47301668142717627132012-01-01T17:46:41.828-05:002012-01-01T17:46:41.828-05:00I do not see a scenario where Israel profits from ...I do not see a scenario where Israel profits from a unilateral nuclear attack. Not yet. The rational objective is to continue to degrade the industrial and military infrastructure the mullahs and the twelvers (two discreet but sometime overlapping factions) depend on to maintain power. This route is actually amenable in the eyes of the region. Nobody there likes Jews but they dislike Imperial Persians quite a bit.<br /><br /><br />If Israel launches a nuclear attack it won't be a limited or precision strike. This is the fact that none of her neighbors ever mentions... but is understood by all. <br /><br />Btw, "pissing contest" as I used it above means a military conflict lacking any relation to national security, devoid of strategic objective beyond short term political advantage for the failed Obama presidency.TmjUtahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07479506083401061662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-61952076195597154422012-01-01T16:47:05.361-05:002012-01-01T16:47:05.361-05:00One little wrinkle for war fighting choreographers...One little wrinkle for war fighting choreographers is likely to keep this scenario on the side lines. While the US is playing for a "wag the dog" tie where we go back to status quo ante afterwards and everybody gets to claim victory, it would be a God sent opening for Israel to go for nuclear program and regime decapitation. <br /><br />While we have missiles flying it would be pretty difficult to work up any sort of condemnation. And frankly, the "antiwar" crowd would have trouble picking which style of warfare to condemn and would end up, like the dog looking at his reflection in the water, without any bone at all.TMLutashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12033938954514865135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-79957553512889884292012-01-01T16:09:09.038-05:002012-01-01T16:09:09.038-05:00Be it said: we have a military that's capable ...Be it said: we have a military that's capable of flat stomping any opposing force in the world <i>provided they are allowed to actually fight and win</i>. And that's the problem. For instance, the flatly idiotic ROE our troops have been under for some time, so as not to 'unnecessarily'(in the opinion of some politicians) upset world opinion or actually hurt the bad guys("Unless you really really have to").<br /><br />Obama can't even bring himself to say 'victory' unless he's disparaging the idea; this administation, if they do order action, is far more likely top prefer piles of dead American troops and sailors to actually letting them win.Firehandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04562365951182027709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-45452159536690770332012-01-01T15:59:27.317-05:002012-01-01T15:59:27.317-05:00But anyhow, this threatening the whole world with ...<i>But anyhow, this threatening the whole world with the closure of the Straits of Hormuz thing... I'm wondering what the whole background is?</i><br /><br />Might this have something to do with Obama signing the NDAA with its 3rd party banking sanctions that in theory are going to make it very difficult for Iran to get paid for its oil?<br /><br />Others have pointed out the similarity with our pre-Pearl Harbor sanctions on Imperial Japan: in August 1941 we imposed an embargo on oil, and since we supplied 80% of their's.... <br /><br />While the Japanese didn't <i>have</i> to attack us they did have to do <i>something</i>. Since they had allowed a culture of political assassination to develop over the previous decades, giving into our demands to back off in China was politically impossible; seizing Indonesian oil was the only way they could avoid starvation in short order.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-70850175682395841542012-01-01T14:10:26.641-05:002012-01-01T14:10:26.641-05:00I think Achmedinejad would gladly exchange a few h...I think Achmedinejad would gladly exchange a few hundred Iranians and some obsolete hulls in exchange for getting four years more of the Obama administration. <br /><br />He only needs to survive personally any exchange of fire with the US. Use of Shipwrecks and other systems will indeed make insurers absent themselves while the threat exists. <br /><br />Dead Iranians other than the inner circle will enrage the citezenry; with good reason. America has been no friend to oppressed peoples since we saddled ourselves with The Won. <br /><br />A pissing contest with Iran ultimately benefits Iran's rulers and weakens and demoralizes our military and allies. It is a win all the way for Obama. Yet another opportunity to "fundamentally transform" our flawed republic. <br /><br />We have come to this.TmjUtahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07479506083401061662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-53423037153078582562012-01-01T13:41:32.919-05:002012-01-01T13:41:32.919-05:00A short, victorious war sounds good to me. These c...A short, victorious war sounds good to me. These chihuahuas have been nipping our heels for thirty years. If they want to start some crap in a very open way that gives us room to work, I'm all for it. I really don't care if it gives O'Bumbles a boost. The good of the country is more important.Dave S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05940509831649020252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-49390391817444887182012-01-01T13:26:42.542-05:002012-01-01T13:26:42.542-05:00This group is incapable of "victorious",...This group is incapable of "victorious", but "short" is well within their repertoire:<br />They'll surrender!AD-RtR/OS!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-12909841965247859742012-01-01T13:25:54.709-05:002012-01-01T13:25:54.709-05:00A short victorious war?! How long did it take to ...A short victorious war?! How long did it take to move the Occupy occupiers? Weeks, months? Today, there is no such thing as short or victorious: the consequences go on forever or, at least, for a very long time. One man's Mead is another man's Persian.Volponehttp://macdezart.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-82067694873891173972012-01-01T13:22:52.031-05:002012-01-01T13:22:52.031-05:00Didn't the last time we mix it up with the Ira...Didn't the last time we mix it up with the Iranian "navy" we sunk it in like what, 3 days? Zodiac boats with RPGs do not a navy make.gk1https://www.blogger.com/profile/16278316547833399451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-74124422303926356152012-01-01T13:12:46.562-05:002012-01-01T13:12:46.562-05:00It's not just Ahmedinajad who could follow the...It's not just Ahmedinajad who could follow the Italian's advice. <br /><br />I have a feeling if Obama loses the election he will announce the first carrier strikes the day before his opponent's inauguration.richard mcenroehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10659450906647134430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-21901543862071709042012-01-01T08:52:58.130-05:002012-01-01T08:52:58.130-05:00Justthisguy,
"I saw what you did there, with...Justthisguy,<br /><br />"<i>I saw what you did there, with A Short Victorious War.</i>"<br /><br />Weber?<br /><br />I was quoting von Pleve.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-58093745624338011222012-01-01T05:20:39.610-05:002012-01-01T05:20:39.610-05:00I saw what you did there, with A Short Victorious ...I saw what you did there, with A Short Victorious War.<br /><br /> Like Honor Harrington, and David Weber, I am a Christian who does not necessarily see eye-to-eye with, and agree with, the government of his country.<br /><br />P.s. If there is any doubt about the Steadholder and Duchess's religious opinions, she had one of her kids baptized according to the 1928 Book of Common Prayer, though she lives in a different (and fictional!) universe, with different physical laws than ours.<br /><br />Mah kitteh only has four legs. Please feel sorry for us.Justthisguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17277333206171756636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-69375221001742385372012-01-01T02:12:52.857-05:002012-01-01T02:12:52.857-05:00Yeah, I am not sure where the line of talking tras...Yeah, I am not sure where the line of talking trash in a bar to the somewhat good natured 6'6" 300 pound MMA fighter known as the USA is crossed and it gets the living heck stomped out of Iran's mouthy little 160 pound butt. However this time they are really is pushing it. <br /><br />A minor regional irritation could definitely bring "a heaping helping of regime change". I know it would be a bad thing but personally I have kind of held a grudge against Iran since I learned about the whole hostage crisis as a teenager. <br /><br />-TORAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-30386674245515109272011-12-31T23:20:57.245-05:002011-12-31T23:20:57.245-05:00You and me both (and I'm just an amateur obser...You and me both (and I'm just an amateur observer), Firehand.<br /><br />Nor Tassafaronga neither.<br /><br />History records that the Japanese did the same thing when wargaming Midway. It is not a confidence-buildingness thing.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04780425923108876647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-50171396847081858352011-12-31T17:29:35.139-05:002011-12-31T17:29:35.139-05:00docjim505 in first, with warlocketx a close second...docjim505 in first, with warlocketx a close second. As to who has the right of it, only the teleprompter expert in the White House knows for sure.Ed Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09676740819579030462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-18231504305512169892011-12-31T17:13:17.360-05:002011-12-31T17:13:17.360-05:004. It's Dick Cheney!!
http://www.youtube.com/w...4. It's Dick Cheney!!<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNCj9Cz9iOIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-39041180443428589352011-12-31T12:54:28.046-05:002011-12-31T12:54:28.046-05:00I know the Navy has been gaming this for years; I ...I know the Navy has been gaming this for years; I just hope they've been gaming it honestly. I remember a retired officer talking about awargame where a carrier was ruled hit and sunk by a ASM; the admiral in charge got pissed and rerolled because "That couldn't happen!"<br /><br />I really, REALLY don't want us to have another Battle of Savo Island...Firehandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04562365951182027709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-33083787108240995292011-12-30T22:14:54.463-05:002011-12-30T22:14:54.463-05:00I'm betting on "short vicorious war"...I'm betting on "short vicorious war"<br /><br />http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.30b3d6dd8339de2bcb1a783e5b922d18.ac1&show_article=1MSgt Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00035771485514432736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-78926271827919906922011-12-30T18:45:21.527-05:002011-12-30T18:45:21.527-05:00Also, be aware: The Navy is for all practical purp...Also, be aware: The Navy is for all practical purposes irrelevant in this game.<br /><br />Oh, sure, the Iranians would love to pot a USN vessel -- it'd give them bragging rights for decades. But the important thing in the Straits is the tankers. Zap even one bulk crude carrier, and insurance underwriters would die, crushed in the thundering rush to cancel coverage. The tower of smoke would be the lede on every TV news program on the planet, and shipowners would be burning the RF bands almost as brightly with commands to the captains to park that sucker in a reasonably safe spot.<br /><br />The anti-ship missiles are little; you could carry them around easily on a Dodge dually pickup, and the coast of the Strait is rough, full of hidey-holes where ASM-operators can set up shop. The crews themselves probably wouldn't enjoy the resulting game of whack-a-mole, but neither would the Bug drivers charged with winkling them out -- and Ahmadinejad would be crowing every time one popped up after an American bomber went past: "Yoo hoo, right here, Yankee dog".<br /><br />Why won't they do it? Well, it works two ways. There is only one gasoline refinery in all of Iran, and it wouldn't keep NASCAR running for a race weekend. No Strait passage, no fuel, no economy -- something they can <i>not</i> afford at this juncture. And as has been pointed out, alternative sources (including us) are available for everybody but the Chinese, who are likely to take a dim view of cutting into <i>their</i> economy at this moment.<br /><br />Iran is different from all the other Duck Soup principalities in the region in that it's a real nation, not a set of lines drawn in proto-EU drinking parties. Persians are patriotic, and much as they dislike the mullahs and their stooges (which many do), twisting the tail of the Big Dog plays well in the cheap seats. The real proper response is [yawn, change the channel] rather than saber-rattling.<br /><br />Regards,<br />RicAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-86828495928621341362011-12-30T18:29:34.171-05:002011-12-30T18:29:34.171-05:00The effect would be minimal to the actual flow of ...The effect would be minimal to the actual flow of oil. The time it would take to sink the Iranian Navy and reopen the straits would be minimal.JThttp://calmgun.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-39450095119507299812011-12-30T16:30:31.468-05:002011-12-30T16:30:31.468-05:00Well, the Ahmapajama regime is hanging by a thread...Well, the Ahmapajama regime is hanging by a thread. If Obummer had given the people a little encouragement we would have a much friendlier bunch of Farsi to deal with. And the situation in Iraq would be stable. But the OH-man did did not. So Persia is a tinderbox. <br /><br />As Machiavelli pointed out, the easiest way to put down revolt at home is to start a war. So it's a safe bet Ahmapajama <i>wants</i> a war. <br /><br />Rule one for those who do not want to be the sucker is "never play the other man's game." <br /><br />Killing the Iranian Navy may be easy enough. But kill just one Iranian civilian and we are likely to have serious trouble. <br /><br />No matter how much the Shia hate Ahmapajama and his thugs, they will hate us more. And the Sunni will certainly close ranks with their "threatened" Shia brothers. <br /><br />If we are lucky, we will get to shoot four times for every American. If we are not - that thought is best left untyped. <br /><br />StrangerStrangerhttp://extranosalley.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-16752140122876170792011-12-30T15:16:08.975-05:002011-12-30T15:16:08.975-05:00According to Spengler (David Goldman), the Iranian...According to Spengler (David Goldman), the Iranians are facing demographic collapse and plan to go down fighting. Imperial Japan with nukes. Happy New Year!azmountaintrollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01009527590383698138noreply@blogger.com