tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post6984183560722671575..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: Well that's just Super.Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-59637596235780451652012-01-29T17:28:54.039-05:002012-01-29T17:28:54.039-05:00I didn't actually ask anything TK, and sorry I...I didn't actually ask anything TK, and sorry I hopped your train metaphor; it was to make the point that the prior ruling on phones and the recent one on planted trackers were (necessarily) narrowly focused on the specifics of those particular cases. <br /><br />And while that train may have left the station, its destination is history and irrelevance, because those cases presuppose traditional "wiretaps" or entering private property, activities the Court reiterated require traditional "warrants". So I can leave my battery in my phone because if a leo agency wants to record my conversation -leaving alone that they would be bored to tears if they did- they'd have to get a good old-fashioned warrant. <br /><br />But future trains will be coming to try to haul the elephant(s) that sat obtrusively but quietly in the courtroom. The Justices couldn't address them but they and everyone else saw them sitting there, and they won't remain quiet for long:<br /><br />"...the technological marvels we euphemistically call "phones", their omnipresence, and the potential for LE access to the cornucopia of information about you that they contain, present far greater potential for warrantless search & seizure and invasion of privacy..."<br /><br />And that's not to mention private enterprise, legal or otherwise, who lust for information for fun and profit. It is my pet paranoia to consider that all of the details of our private, professional, and financial lives, access to which has heretofore been somewhat guarded, is almost unwittingly being transformed into public domain in the headlong rush to concentrate every detail into tiny powerful computers that might or might not also be capable of making phone calls, and further that everyone around us can also detail our movements and activities; how access to their recorded information might affect our future lives we cannot know. And then there are the wireless providers' contractors who have admitted that they can and do record every keystroke, and "private" information monoliths like Google who have admitted they already know more about you than your spouse, and are feverishly working to know and store and use even more...but they assure us they will keep our confidence.<br /><br />In a discussion here a while back about a proposal for a national biometric database, commenters airily dismissed gov's capability to create and maintain it, and they're probably right. My leap was that we're doing it for them and at our (great) expense; not only with no resistance but with childlike enthusiasm to obtain the latest and greatest talking texting recording surfing tracking computing device. While trying to communicate my speculation that such power in a chip could ultimately transcend separations between biological, physiological, and extraneous identifiers had you questioning my grasp, it is my extrapolation now as then that a next step in the technology marketplace would logically be a device that performs all of the above functions and more and better...with the added ability to identify you and allow you access through eye or voice or touch recognition. And how long might it be before such a chip could be implanted, at some point capable even of thought recognition? And how long before that becomes accessible to our keepers? <br /><br />(Yikes, I just read that back. Sorry, a little disjointed and wild-eyed, eh? Glad it's just you and me here now ;). Still, they're my words and I own 'em...and you did ask for it. But yeah, like I said, my pet paranoia.)the pawnbrokerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16643081755036536592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-59767504566328410362012-01-29T10:47:58.980-05:002012-01-29T10:47:58.980-05:00I'm sorry, I am obviously too dense to grasp w...I'm sorry, I am obviously too dense to grasp what you were saying.<br /><br />I thought you were asking why the Supreme Court had not ruled on the constitutionality of using your own phone to track your position. I pointed out that they already have.<br /><br />Now you say that is not germane and make cryptic comments about trains coming down the track.<br /><br />Please, and I am being dead serious here as I am nearly beating my head against the keyboard in frustration over this: What is this train to which you refer if it is not using your phone to track you?Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-68522109988750785712012-01-28T21:45:03.118-05:002012-01-28T21:45:03.118-05:00TK:
Talk about not germane...repeating partial fa...TK:<br /><br />Talk about not germane...repeating partial facts irrelevant to the determinedly missed point does nothing to further the discussion.<br /><br />The thing about trains is, there's always another one coming down the track; best not to be standing on it when it does.the pawnbrokerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16643081755036536592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-1984406208107804992012-01-28T10:19:51.565-05:002012-01-28T10:19:51.565-05:00PB,
Let me try saying this again: SCOTUS did not ...PB,<br /><br />Let me try saying this again: SCOTUS did not rule on the topic to which you allude because:<br /><br />A) It was not germane to the case at hand, and<br />B)THEY ALREADY RULED ON IT.<br /><br />"<i>They kicked the can down the road a bit, but they know what's coming; so do I and so do you.</i>"<br /><br />They did no such thing. The thing you say is "coming" has come and gone. It is not the future, it is the past and the present and it is here and has been here for over a decade now, long before any of the iPhones and Androids the Luddites bemoan.<br /><br />Why would they rule on it again? That train has left the station. It is long gone. If it worries someone, they need to pull the battery from your cell phone, any cell phone, right now and only install it when they are actually making calls.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-75898179217949794672012-01-28T10:01:16.065-05:002012-01-28T10:01:16.065-05:00"...it requires a warrant, same as any other ..."...it requires a warrant, same as any other wiretap."<br /><br />Quaint, the latter being an anachronism and the former fast becoming one.<br /><br />No, the SC didn't bring up soybean price fixing (much to the relief of some farmers in hoosierville I'm sure (insert cane sugar if you're talking about agbiz here in teh Fla).<br /><br />But while the matter at hand involved tracking devices installed on your car by gov, they alluded to the ones installed in your pocket by you.<br /><br />They kicked the can down the road a bit, but they know what's coming; so do I and so do you.<br /><br /><br /><br />(Sorry for the delayed response... Son's jewelry/coin shop has been BUSY. Whenever there's a spike in gold/silver spot prices as occurred this week, it generates a deluge of buyers and sellers of bullion and its derivatives. But Bobo says things are looking up; pay no attention to the free market monster behind the curtain anxiously turning soft money into hard.)the pawnbrokerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16643081755036536592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-79707663351461199732012-01-26T15:05:36.998-05:002012-01-26T15:05:36.998-05:00Know what'd make _me_ feel safer navigating do...Know what'd make _me_ feel safer navigating downtown? A loaded firearm concealed about my person in an accessible location.<br /><br />You can have that, in Indianapolis. So can I...just as long as I don't visit the city my office is in.<br /><br />If they want to install a camera on my property, that's a problem. But if I'm in public, I've always just assumed that I might be watched. Especially if I did anything interesting.lelnethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08600824544185328505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-27409764345548450222012-01-26T07:43:06.427-05:002012-01-26T07:43:06.427-05:00PB,
"SCOTUS has just said gov can't trac...PB,<br /><br />"<i>SCOTUS has just said gov can't track you unwarranted by their own device, but specifically didn't touch the issue of access to your tracking of your ownself by smartphone, etc.</i>"<br /><br />They didn't touch it because that's not waht the case was about. They also didn't touch on many other issues, such as the constitutionality of soybean price supports.<br /><br />They have already ruled on phones. Yes, they can track you or even listen in on you with your phone. Yes, it requires a warrant, same as any other wiretap.<br /><br />And don't feel safe if you don't have a "smartphone". Your plain old dumb cell phone could be on right now, recording everything you say, unless you take the battery out whenever you're not using it.<br /><br />Now, which do you deem more likely in your life: A warrant being issued to tap and track your cellphone remotely? Or the need to use you cell phone for actual emergency calls?Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-30318862743450770742012-01-26T06:28:22.233-05:002012-01-26T06:28:22.233-05:00They hold a much bigger event in May that didn'...They hold a much bigger event in May that didn't need these...My father in law that is in the Hall of Fame at Indy would roll over in his graveSpudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00689059709873763146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-42291442165586930692012-01-26T02:25:22.472-05:002012-01-26T02:25:22.472-05:00when I first read "The Sum of All Fears"...when I first read "The Sum of All Fears", I was revolted that possibly some (fictional) bandsmen had been nuked. Later, I found out that they haven't had bands at the Stupor Bowel for years and years, and thought, owhell, served 'em right, the silly sportsfans.<br /><br />I see no reason to attend a feetball game if one is not wearing a band uniform.<br /><br />Jtg, at the Right of the Line, with The Colors.Justthisguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17277333206171756636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-47418598115729665432012-01-25T22:43:25.233-05:002012-01-25T22:43:25.233-05:00SCOTUS has just said gov can't track you unwar...SCOTUS has just said gov can't track you unwarranted by their own device, but specifically didn't touch the issue of access to your tracking of your ownself by smartphone, etc.<br /><br />The ineptitude of government agencies generally self-limits the potential harm when they're slapping GPS senders under your bumper or playing with these spy-cams, as referenced by McThag on the Ybor fail.<br /><br />But the technological marvels we euphemistically call "phones", their omnipresence, and the potential for LE access to the cornucopia of information about you that they contain, present far greater potential for warrantless search & seizure and invasion of privacy.<br /><br />Tam has said this is a genie that ain't going back in the bottle, and it shouldn't...because hey, it's a genie! But the Supremes pointedly avoiding the discussion portends the future. It ain't the eyes in the sky but the ones all around you -and the ones right there in your hand- that will ultimately steal what remains of our innocence and sweet anonymity.<br /><br />But hey, if you're not doing anything/going anywhere/saying anything/writing anything/searching anything/recording anything that you're ashamed of, everything will be just fine.the pawnbrokerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16643081755036536592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-49468400513190520272012-01-25T21:33:44.254-05:002012-01-25T21:33:44.254-05:00If you'd happen to venture into Digital Camera...If you'd happen to venture into Digital Cameraland with a big ol' zit on the shnozz, then get a sample of Clearasil in the mail - well, the terrorists will have won.Jeffrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06873138122305060834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-35449960510458102892012-01-25T21:03:52.139-05:002012-01-25T21:03:52.139-05:00You can bet they got some or all with a DHS grant,...You can bet they got some or all with a DHS grant, and you can ALSO bet they will stay in place and FR software will be installed shortly...Old NFOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16404197287935017147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-56363895333352273602012-01-25T19:23:50.860-05:002012-01-25T19:23:50.860-05:00@Lergnom ...
Read a "How-To" on setting...@Lergnom ...<br /><br />Read a "How-To" on setting up IR LEDs into a pair of Hipster Sunglasses to defeat cameras some years back. You could also use something akin to a clip on IR light for a baseball cap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-58741445108269689682012-01-25T19:15:03.624-05:002012-01-25T19:15:03.624-05:00I've often *thought* about painting over the r...I've often *thought* about painting over the red light cameras with a can of Krylon ... I figured that I could jerry-rig a pole extension contraption. Turns out I wouldn;t need to. Thanks Amazon!!<br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/3hxo5pdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-6825773127991795722012-01-25T18:47:03.467-05:002012-01-25T18:47:03.467-05:00I propose a new random festival: The Flashmob Fest...I propose a new random festival: The Flashmob Festival of Masks.Ritchienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-44123097755442682572012-01-25T16:59:34.344-05:002012-01-25T16:59:34.344-05:00'Bout time someone read Debt Of Honour.'Bout time someone read Debt Of Honour.T.Stahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05351094909296928284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-80569912852619829602012-01-25T15:35:32.231-05:002012-01-25T15:35:32.231-05:00.177 from 30'?.177 from 30'?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-56342949790578127282012-01-25T14:01:11.046-05:002012-01-25T14:01:11.046-05:00Ahhh, why didn't they go for the 'red spot...Ahhh, why didn't they go for the 'red spotlight on a maybe criminal' idea like Jersey.<br /><br /><br />http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/red-lights-newest-precrime-technique-27941009.htmlRWCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-10817476292952981652012-01-25T13:29:45.497-05:002012-01-25T13:29:45.497-05:00Have you seen thePerson of Interest TV show? Ficti...Have you seen the<i>Person of Interest</i> TV show? Fiction - for now.John Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00801684602403824157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-19183406340084179042012-01-25T12:33:02.090-05:002012-01-25T12:33:02.090-05:00Well, if you don't have anything to hide, you ...Well, if you don't have anything to hide, you shouldn't have any problem with living in a Stalinist Secret Police Security State.<br />AlathAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-43674806133961880142012-01-25T12:00:10.800-05:002012-01-25T12:00:10.800-05:00Already have a good felt fedora....Already have a good felt fedora....Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04780425923108876647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-61819953398606045752012-01-25T11:35:41.528-05:002012-01-25T11:35:41.528-05:00Uncle does not give city any money for training or...Uncle does not give city any money for training or maintenance after the event is over so in the following months or years cameras, gizmos and gadgets either become a big unexpected financial drain on the city budget or just break and wear out over time. <br /><br />GerryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-81152681269856219392012-01-25T11:34:14.782-05:002012-01-25T11:34:14.782-05:00Wide brimmed hats with an umobtrusive looking hatb...Wide brimmed hats with an umobtrusive looking hatband made up of infrared LEDs, if those cameras pick up IR as well as visible light.Lergnomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08718650151254462639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-58915690846725278012012-01-25T11:06:37.834-05:002012-01-25T11:06:37.834-05:00Tampa set up similar cameras in the notorious Ybor...Tampa set up similar cameras in the notorious Ybor City bar district. WITH facial recognition.<br /><br />Not one criminal caught by the recognition software.<br /><br />Two murders in full view of the cameras. Neither was actually recording at the time...Angus McThaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09295013525738248801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-79477796030158999942012-01-25T10:32:28.355-05:002012-01-25T10:32:28.355-05:00If fa[r]cial recognition software worked like it d...If fa[r]cial recognition software worked like it does on TeeVee, I'd be more concerned. While developers are getting better at it, it still has a lot of problems, like, it works great when you sit looking at the camera in a lab, but in real life people don't smile and say "cheese" when they're committing a crime.<br /><br />As it is, I rarely get south of Michigan Street these days on my forays into the center city, and certainly won't be planning to do so in the future.<br /><br />(FWIW, I'm guessing that part of the rationale for installing cameras for the Stupor Bowl is to help with the nighttime youth problems as discussed in the local fishwarp a couple of weeks ago. This seems like just a convenient excuse to go ahead and do that without making it look like it's being aimed at that particular problem.)Fuzzy Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03802539927743643041noreply@blogger.com