tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post762786124133705900..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: Be careful what you ask for...Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-81419101898712791472014-06-30T03:49:05.167-04:002014-06-30T03:49:05.167-04:00I ruined a keyboard when the next guy blamed all t...I ruined a keyboard when the next guy blamed all the bad guns that are made on people like you, Tam. ;-)Cincinnatushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10424218376882403880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-58298891558082214462014-06-29T22:05:39.486-04:002014-06-29T22:05:39.486-04:00I'd like to try an R51, but I learned one has ...I'd like to try an R51, but I learned one has to be really careful about buying new designs.<br /><br />My object lesson is even from Big Green: the 105 CTi II shotgun. I love the gun- shoots well, tosses empties to an easy to grab location, and I don't have to play "which gun is mine" when it's sitting next to others.<br /><br />Problem is, the 105 CTi had issues. Remington tweaked it and called the result the 105 CTi II. Well, that design nobody ever bought so they outright discontinued it, went back to the drawing board, and behold the Versa-Max. Part availability for the 105 is extremely poor although Remington stands behind it as best they can. <br /><br />Much money spent on a gun I'm almost afraid to shoot lest it be unrepairable, and I learned my lesson: let somebody else beta test the new designs and wait until it's got a few years behind it.<br /><br />I fear the 51 will suffer the same problem- bad initial reports and while issues might be fixable there's a strong chance they'll just cut bait. Even though a $350 handgun is an easier proposition than a $1000+ shotgun, one orphan is enough.The Raving Prophethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08830254881182697135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-63994847356185575352014-06-29T21:38:40.551-04:002014-06-29T21:38:40.551-04:00I do agree that using the original design intended... I do agree that using the original design intended to circumvent the Browning Patent was absurd.<br />Or stupid for this day and age. <br />This isn't the first time I've seen retro-hipsterism crash what might have been a viable business model. Once I was at the Museum of Flying in Santa Monica. I overheard a docent pointing to a Ford Tri-Motor parked on the flight line; he asked some people when they thought it was manufactured. He said it was <br />made only 5 years previous, by somebody who thought it would be a good model to sell to short hop airlines in South America and other places where cheapness of maintenance were crucial, but they went out of business. I asked him why didn't they go with a DC-1/2/3 clone, which in 1933 put the Ford Tri-motor out of business as uneconomical, and are still flying for profit today. <br />He stammered something about patents, and I decided I didn't want to torment him any more. <br /><br />Some business realities change over time, and others do not. as you note, Tam, lots of parts moving and lots of handwork are still expensive, and if the patents allow, why not use the better design (I didn't believe the patents thing anyway. I think it was somebody who thought flying in the 20's was <i>soooo</i> romantic, and the Tri-motor design was essentially free, so let's make Tri-motors or here, 51's).<br />Windy Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01951254236693386401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-2266683269224754552014-06-29T19:54:57.725-04:002014-06-29T19:54:57.725-04:00Call me a hipster. I want a Broomhandle or a Bergm...Call me a hipster. I want a Broomhandle or a Bergman Simplex.<br /><br />Saving my pennies....Don Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06057058763094040058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-68733505854593854832014-06-29T19:24:43.408-04:002014-06-29T19:24:43.408-04:00Well, the 5 original 51's in the safe are all ...Well, the 5 original 51's in the safe are all slick as owl whatever. I am reasonably sure that the new model will get its teething problems ironed out - and I hope it does use the original design. <br /><br />Like the Savage 99, it can handle pressure. Enough pressure so handloads will approach 9mm velocity/muzzle energy, and do it all day long. <br /><br />But what I am really waiting for is the 52. I have it on good authority that Light General Lewis Burwell Puller refused to give up his demo model and carried it through WWII. <br /><br />StrangerStrangerhttp://extranosalley.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-24911663661634036682014-06-29T13:54:57.961-04:002014-06-29T13:54:57.961-04:00Exactly right Tam, thanks for completing what I sh...Exactly right Tam, thanks for completing what I should have said in my post! One of these days I'll actually think before I hit enter... sighOld NFOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16404197287935017147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-12656605909264317272014-06-29T13:23:36.838-04:002014-06-29T13:23:36.838-04:00Disgusting!
God bless...
Bet they would absolute...Disgusting!<br /><br />God bless...<br /><br />Bet they would absolutely hate shooting my Model 8 as they noticed all the activities going on within that rifle!Gewehr98https://www.blogger.com/profile/14440119702457734221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-5350559577559944602014-06-29T13:16:33.306-04:002014-06-29T13:16:33.306-04:00Sometime in the future in Tam's vault of goodn...Sometime in the future in Tam's vault of goodness.<br /><br />Tam: R51 Prime, I would like you to meet your clone R51 Duex.<br /><br />R51 Prime: Wow, he a bit slow and ugly.<br /><br />Tam: He's your clone R51 Prime.<br /><br />R51 Prime: But he's slow and ugly.<br /><br />Tam: Listen closely, he is your clone.<br /><br />R51 Prime: Waaaaaa!<br /><br />Gerry<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-50592534580785831542014-06-29T13:03:19.684-04:002014-06-29T13:03:19.684-04:00"That and too many people fondling high end g..."<i>That and too many people fondling high end guns that actually ARE smooth...</i>"<br /><br />Don't matter how "high end" you make a 51, all that monkey motion going on in the slide ain't gonna feel smooth (unless you know what you're feeling and can separate the sensation of the slide running on the rails from the feeling of the breechblock hitting the locking shoulder.)Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-41395131561441036882014-06-29T12:06:21.012-04:002014-06-29T12:06:21.012-04:00Dang it, I DON'T want the R51 to go away. I wa...Dang it, I DON'T want the R51 to go away. I want Remington to fix it!<br /><br />And I want Remington to fix Marlin, and fix the 700, and fix the declining quality of the 870, and fix concerns about their ammunition, and fix....<br /><br />I want Remington to fix Remington!Charlie Foxtrothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15585447523050711767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-37902754338267032172014-06-29T11:52:44.619-04:002014-06-29T11:52:44.619-04:00Ah... the difference between the 'mystique'...Ah... the difference between the 'mystique' of the original (which skips over those same problems), and reality coupled with a re-launch in this day and age... That and too many people fondling high end guns that actually ARE smooth...Old NFOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16404197287935017147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-33605097122576618932014-06-29T10:28:27.664-04:002014-06-29T10:28:27.664-04:00True words that'll likely fall on deaf ears. I...True words that'll likely fall on deaf ears. I do agree that using the original design intended to circumvent the Browning Patent was absurd. Sport Pilothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04862280966739841769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-48941338458471900902014-06-29T10:04:02.825-04:002014-06-29T10:04:02.825-04:00I have shot two of the R51s. Sad. It looks like ...I have shot two of the R51s. Sad. It looks like someone had a really good idea and then gave it to an orangutan to build. Either that, or the bean counters decided to take a very nice pistol that would have been in the $550-600 range and build it to sell for <$400.<br /><br />It coulda been a contenda!Sdv1949https://www.blogger.com/profile/10328393603099830913noreply@blogger.com