tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post7672240160062319422..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: When is a shotgun not a shotgun?Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-64478355176148479012011-06-22T17:51:22.357-04:002011-06-22T17:51:22.357-04:00I'd be careful about throwing around the "...I'd be careful about throwing around the "obviously" there, given the recent flap about ATF's revisiting "sporting purposes."Ian Argenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03704336044732061128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-87346033300654521122011-06-22T17:01:32.594-04:002011-06-22T17:01:32.594-04:00Prophet,
By that logic, any time a shotgun is mod...Prophet,<br /><br />By that logic, any time a shotgun is modified to a non-sporting configuration, it becomes a DD. Since that obviously isn't the case, I urge you to reconsider repeating baseless fearmongering.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-61340280326271996372011-06-22T12:05:34.888-04:002011-06-22T12:05:34.888-04:00"Name the "evil features" that can ..."Name the "evil features" that can make a shotgun non-importable!"<br /><br />A shoulder thing that goes up is the primary problem, I believe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-66901538005526999452011-06-22T08:43:32.043-04:002011-06-22T08:43:32.043-04:00perlhaqr,
"Makes me wonder if I'd have b...perlhaqr,<br /><br />"<i>Makes me wonder if I'd have been violating some law, if I'd bought a shotgun at 18, and then put a pistol grip on it, though.</i>"<br /><br />Depends.<br /><br />Most states will allow someone to <i>possess</i> a handgun at 18, but the federal government won't let an FFL <i>transfer</i> a handgun to anyone under 21.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-22049299349692503472011-06-21T22:32:48.813-04:002011-06-21T22:32:48.813-04:00Well, shit. In light of that thought, I'm gla...Well, shit. In light of that thought, I'm glad I was well older than 21 before I slapped that pistol grip on my Mossberg 500. (And yes, a few years later after that, I slapped the shoulder stock right back on.)<br /><br />Makes me wonder if I'd have been violating some law, if I'd bought a shotgun at 18, and then put a pistol grip on it, though.<br /><br />WV: "clamors" -- Damn right.perlhaqrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-59230964853365503982011-06-21T21:06:44.291-04:002011-06-21T21:06:44.291-04:00Anonymous, read it in light of section 921, which ...Anonymous, read it in light of section 921, which lays the sporting purpose test on ANY firearm with a bore of more than a half inch diameter. If it isn't for sporting purposes, according to 921a(4), it's a destructive device. It may be legal to own as far as importability goes, but it's a NFA regulated DD.<br /><br />I was unclear and a little muddled, so I apologize for that, but the upshot is still a problem.The Raving Prophethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08830254881182697135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-40456115574919001712011-06-21T17:35:20.513-04:002011-06-21T17:35:20.513-04:00"Section 922r doesn't really apply to sho..."<i>Section 922r doesn't really apply to shotguns, only to rifles...</i>"<br /><br />You may want to read 922(r) again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-30075116307430902132011-06-21T16:47:11.099-04:002011-06-21T16:47:11.099-04:00Re CCW, do it. But first you need the below, and ...Re CCW, do it. But first you need the below, and a form 4.<br /><br />http://www.andrewsleather.com/firepower.htmKevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-25368778291335790752011-06-21T16:39:02.871-04:002011-06-21T16:39:02.871-04:00I don't understand.
Yeah...neither do I, and ...<i>I don't understand.</i><br /><br />Yeah...neither do I, and I wrote it.<br /><br />Post-lunch brain fail, obviously.<br /><br />wv: uriquink. Yep, I am.Noah Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-48562594954031956052011-06-21T15:26:58.191-04:002011-06-21T15:26:58.191-04:00"And I really, really doubt that 'it'..."And I really, really doubt that 'it's a pistol, technically' will fly with the nice officers I'd be sure to encounter."<br /><br />I don't understand.<br /><br />The pink card is only required for handguns. Rifles and Shotguns can be carried without a pink card in Indiana.<br /><br />Shootin' BuddyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-11161017978853405502011-06-21T15:11:27.853-04:002011-06-21T15:11:27.853-04:00Well, I do have the pink card already, but didn...Well, I do have the pink card already, but didn't figure to take the thing down the Monon; things don't seem to have got that bad quite yet.<br /><br />wv: mennot. Not a Mennonite?Mr Evilwrenchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12128693353576508276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-67597650643686141852011-06-21T12:11:55.006-04:002011-06-21T12:11:55.006-04:00So if you are out toting your pistol-gripped only ...<i>So if you are out toting your pistol-gripped only shotgun on the Monon come July 1st, ensure that you have your pink card.</i><br /><br />The temptation to do just that is strong...but in the abstract, as I <i>really</i> don't want to be 'that guy'.<br /><br />And I really, <i>really</i> doubt that 'it's a pistol, technically' will fly with the nice officers I'd be sure to encounter.Noah Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-16528685603305504362011-06-21T11:11:12.542-04:002011-06-21T11:11:12.542-04:00If the ATF goes ahead with their crackdown on &quo...If the ATF goes ahead with their crackdown on "non sporting" shotguns, we're about to see the patchwork of scattergun laws to become even worse.<br /><br />Section 922r doesn't really apply to shotguns, only to rifles, and that means ANY shotgun deemed non sporting could become a Destructive Device with just the stroke of a regulator's pen. In other words, that Mossberg that comes with both a regular and a PGO stock might be legal or NFA regulated, depending on what you put on there.<br /><br />The insanity never ceases.The Raving Prophethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08830254881182697135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-22195913871450463762011-06-21T10:56:30.686-04:002011-06-21T10:56:30.686-04:00Heh, I bought one of those tacticool Blackwater Mo...Heh, I bought one of those tacticool Blackwater Mossbergs, not cos it was PGO, but because of the breaching barrel. In fact, as soon as it arrived via UPS, I installed a folding tailstock, although it still has a pistol grip. Now all I have to do is scare up some breaching rounds.<br /><br />wv: hadsidab Sounds all jihaddy, like something they'd make their women wear.Mr Evilwrenchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12128693353576508276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-75942279609147026172011-06-21T09:29:01.907-04:002011-06-21T09:29:01.907-04:00Yet another innocent falls victim to the labyrinth...Yet another innocent falls victim to the labyrinthine web of gun laws and the idiocy that "ignorance of the law is no excuse.*"<br /><br />Yet according to the anti-rights crowd, firearms are less regulated than teddy bears.<br /><br />*<i> Unless, of course, you are one of the ruling elite privileged to enforce those laws against the rabble, in which case it is completely unreasonable to expect you to be familiar with and current on every one of the incredibly vast number of laws currently in existence.</i><br /><br />wv: maggie. Seriously, the wv today is a proper name. I've never seen that before.Jake (formerly Riposte3)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02976718318892210404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-34236604465340936932011-06-21T09:24:19.601-04:002011-06-21T09:24:19.601-04:00Heh. Speaking of pistol grip shotguns, I took der ...Heh. Speaking of pistol grip shotguns, I took der kinder and a friend to the outdoor DNR range for fun time and a dude with a pistol grip 12 gauge shows up. <br />He gives said shotgun to his friend who hold it near his face to see the sights and touches it off. <br /><br />Blood on idiots is funny...Anon E Moosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04372810209943260155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-57483367457925247812011-06-21T09:20:58.256-04:002011-06-21T09:20:58.256-04:00wait, someone got hits with a pistol grip only sho...wait, someone got hits with a pistol grip only shotgun?TomcatTCHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-47333871274128038942011-06-21T08:39:40.956-04:002011-06-21T08:39:40.956-04:00And this is why 99.34% of all gun laws are pure bo...And this is why 99.34% of all gun laws are pure bovine excrement and why I argue so strongly against defining a firearm based on a part rather than the sum.<br /><br />I will now hop of my soap box and turn away from the choir.Robb Allenhttp://blog.robballen.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-24407742426578433522011-06-21T08:36:46.653-04:002011-06-21T08:36:46.653-04:00Remember, you have the two railroad tracks of fede...Remember, you have the two railroad tracks of federal and state law. This is the Utah Supremes. State law can define a pistol differently than federal law.<br /><br />E.g., the way the General Assembly in Indianapolis has defined handgun means that if your long gun has no stock, it is a pistol via the magic of the legislature.<br /><br />This was an actual case at the Indiana Court of Appeals: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/in-court-of-appeals/1309626.html<br /><br />So if you are out toting your pistol-gripped only shotgun on the Monon come July 1st, ensure that you have your pink card.<br /><br />Shootin' BuddyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com