tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post8322928786859184118..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: Fool me three-hundred-fifty times, shame on me...Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger92125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-35618212937644161232012-10-29T12:21:40.373-04:002012-10-29T12:21:40.373-04:00Krstpher: Regardless of how I feel about when sent...Krstpher: <i>Regardless of how I feel about when sentient life starts ( and the number of weeks would surprise most folks that know me ), I am unwilling to give the government the powers needed to prevent abortions.</i><br /><br />I'm about settled in on week 1600, but sometimes sentience hasn't appeared even by that point. Of course, if it hasn't, it probably never will.perlhaqrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920117742664645165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-32136290126420307552012-10-28T23:30:09.241-04:002012-10-28T23:30:09.241-04:00Longbeardeast,
"Just as an afterthought, and...Longbeardeast,<br /><br />"<i>Just as an afterthought, and this is for Tam or all the OB/GYN wannabe's...</i>"<br /><br />1) The plural does not require an apostrophe. (To quote Dave Barry, an apostrophe does not mean "Look out! Here comes an 'S'!"<br /><br />2) And you did your OB/GYN residency where, again?<br /><br />3) Women give birth to blastocysts and zygotes every day, which then die in their thousands. Should these women be prosecuted?<br /> Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-78999882317637911292012-10-28T19:05:09.445-04:002012-10-28T19:05:09.445-04:00Just as an afterthought, and this is for Tam or al...Just as an afterthought, and this is for Tam or all the OB/GYN wannabe's out there...has a woman,or man for that matter or any human being, ever given birth to anything other than a human being? I'll leave with that thought. Please give answers other than provided by the National Enquirer. I would to expect to hear the crickets again, but I welcome the response.<br /><br />Longbeardeast, again and again and again. Just though you do not think I'm responding as an anon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-1789963373358402292012-10-28T18:46:12.895-04:002012-10-28T18:46:12.895-04:00Sorry for the misspellings..wish they had spell ch...Sorry for the misspellings..wish they had spell check on these, but whatever, seem's you consider me as a bible-thumping southern, unedumacated redneck anyway. Great for your conversations, but at least I don't carry the water for the "talking points". Great to see how many folks actually believe in personal liberty. Our founding "fathers" would be proud. I would bet everything I have, based on their writings,that even the federalists vs. non-federalists would as a group orgy, be rolling in their graves since 1973, possibly before that, when we had a collective orgasm as a society and became "enlightened". Like I said, I've been there and done that on both sides. Not my decision, or my "choice". Hope the blood washes off well.<br /><br />Longbeardeast, again and again and again.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-55134010650450748862012-10-28T18:22:10.012-04:002012-10-28T18:22:10.012-04:00Here's where the rubber meet's the road in...Here's where the rubber meet's the road in my mind...You see Tam's use of the great and above everyone else's terms of "A zygote is not a child. Nor is a blastocyst nor an embryo." My argument is that once a heartbeat or brainwave's are established, there is no argument as to what "it" is. Again, just for fun, not a gerbil, a hamster, an iguana or a bunny rabbit. This, in my mind, doesn't have anything to do with "OMG "religion, wherever or whenever it originates. It has to do with protecting a "person's" freedoms. I consider a heartbeating, brain active, child as someone who needs their rights protected also, as speeled out in the DOI. You see, everyone deflects from that point. A one year old cannot fend for themselves. An 80 yr. old grandparent, with advanced Alzheimer's or dementia, cannot fend or take care of themselves...The issue is the same. Should I tote them out to the sidewalk, and put the bullet through their brains? Rights are rights, and they are sometime difficult...Where do we draw the line? We as a country have a ton of blood on our hands. Where do we draw the lines? I've been there and done that on both sides of this spectrum. Tell me I'm wrong for standing up for everyone's rights, including your 1 or 2 year old, or your 80+ year old grandparent who cannot communicate or take care of themselves day to day. When you solve those issues, consider yourself a god...then we can talk. Until then, we have only to lean on supposed protections of those "right's" listed in the DOI, The Constitution and various amendments. Those rights aren't granted by those documents, but are supposed to protectedby our government. They have failed miserably. Please take pictures of slaughters of the "least among us" and keep us aprised of your "humanity".<br /><br />Longbeardeast, again and again....<br /><br />"The blood's on your hands, not mine"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-14079240885366376982012-10-28T02:06:44.066-04:002012-10-28T02:06:44.066-04:00Joseph: That was my personal opinion.
Yes, proced...Joseph: That was my personal opinion.<br /><br />Yes, procedures that are pretty much infanticide ( partial birth ) are legalized because a lot of folks don't trust religious folks with any say in the matter because of their own inflexibility ( "life begins at conception" ).<br /><br />When you refuse to even acknowledge the other sides opinions as being anything but pure evil, they return the favor.Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-34477720067276339432012-10-28T02:03:46.017-04:002012-10-28T02:03:46.017-04:00Longbeardeast:
The big "L" libertarians...Longbeardeast:<br /><br />The big "L" libertarians are as divided as everyone else on this.<br /><br />The only thing they agree on is that the government should not be funding it.Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-76934223498379848682012-10-27T08:03:03.111-04:002012-10-27T08:03:03.111-04:00Longbeardeast,
"Again I ask, peacefully this...Longbeardeast,<br /><br />"<i>Again I ask, peacefully this evening, at what point do the big "L" libertarians stand up for that "unborn" child's rights to life...</i>"<br /><br />1) You'll have to go find a 'big "L" libertarian' and ask them, I guess.<br /><br />2) For myself? A zygote is not a child. Nor is a blastocyst nor an embryo. Somewhere in the fetal stage is where an intelligent compromise would be drawn, were the two sides not arguing from passionate religious positions on which there can be no compromise.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-57547996849870927132012-10-26T19:53:38.698-04:002012-10-26T19:53:38.698-04:00Just to continue your conversation, "I don...Just to continue your conversation, "I don't for a moment believe that Mourdock was pandering. He was obviously and absolutely sincere.<br /><br />And that's worse.<br /><br />Abortion is as sincerely important an issue to him as keeping the nation solvent and preventing anarchy in the streets when the Free Money faucet gets shut off, and I can't allow a man with his priorities ordered like that anywhere near the levers of power at this juncture in our nation's history."<br /><br />He was asked a question. Was he not to respond? Was he to lie or at least waffle, as most of our rep's do? Again I ask, peacefully this evening, at what point do the big "L" libertarians stand up for that "unborn" child's rights to life, libery and the pursuit of happiness as outlined in the DOI?Christian beliefs or not... The big "L's" like to spout liberty when it comes to 1A, 2A, 4A and 10A and such, but not so much for those that cannot speak for themselves. When I read your commentary yesterday evening, I thought you're were auditioning for a pro "O" ad as a 21st century Paul Revere..."The Republicans are coming, the Republicans are coming...hide your female parts as that is what they're coming for". Really!!! Like I stated, grow some and admit that you're only concerned with your rights, not that other "person's", the not quite there yet, or unborn, or incapable of tending for themselves. As a libertarian, I'm concerned with their granted at birth rights also.<br /><br />Longbeardeast, again..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-23972301258256969272012-10-26T00:49:06.330-04:002012-10-26T00:49:06.330-04:00"The current line is active brain activity, a..."The current line is active brain activity, and not just the Medula Oblongata still waving the conductor's baton."<br /><br />IIRC, when the idea of "brain death" was invented, it meant lack of any brain function. IOW, the goalposts have been moved sometime in the past few decades.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04720409839023747889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-67962715286381556102012-10-25T21:53:16.122-04:002012-10-25T21:53:16.122-04:00"I do not believe in the deliberate killing o..."I do not believe in the deliberate killing of a human being..." unless they are a Muslim living in Yemen, Sudan, Swat Valley about whom rumours have been spread.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-57981439856042786552012-10-25T21:12:33.524-04:002012-10-25T21:12:33.524-04:00According to said Constitution,and parroted by the...According to said Constitution,and parroted by the 2A folks, they are. Pretty hard for a non-born person to carry a Glock on their side. The right exists nonetheless, although that would be pretty cool to see a birth and a carrier at the same time..no need to get ugly. I guess we tend to see birth (conception), (beginning of life) differently. All cool with me, I just believe in everyone's right's. Like I stated, not a hampster, iguana, beagle....a human being. If you're willing to ignore those right's, then that's on you. Seen one born 2nd trimester, Dr. tried talking into that alternative...I know what I saw and what "it" is. As I stated before, I will not toss a 1 year old out on the sidewalk, nor an 80 year old grandparent suffering from some ungodly disease, out on the sidewalk. No difference in my mind...They cannot fend or take care of themselves. If you can, so be it, you have to answer for that, not I.<br /><br />Longbeardeast...<br /><br />PS...Love the typical liberal attack of "Brainiac"...Yeah, your blog, but great welcome sign out front...I don't think any of my post's contained any of the venom you spewed in your responses. I just tried to add to the conversation, but as usual, it's only granted a seal of approval if it follow's a certain narrative. Spew forth, just remember, there are two liberties involved in the discussion, not just the woman's. Love what you write, however.<br /><br />Longbeardeast, again..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-6567097585373525872012-10-25T19:52:26.700-04:002012-10-25T19:52:26.700-04:00" Just as we love to parrot that gun rights a..."<i> Just as we love to parrot that gun rights are given <b>at birth</b>...</i>"<br /><br />You said it, Brainiac, not me.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-9604849577000328922012-10-25T19:40:44.829-04:002012-10-25T19:40:44.829-04:00But you have a good percentage of folks out here w...But you have a good percentage of folks out here who will call your BS on liberties. No matter what the cause, we are discussing two lives here, and if the big "L's" can't recognize that, then there is no discussion. That human, not a gerbil, hampster, iguana, beagle, should be afforded the same liberties as anyone else, that is granted by the BOR, DOC and the Constitution. Just as we love to parrot that gun rights are given at birth or by God, so do that child's rights exist and to pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Why are panties in such a wad over a person answering a "question he was asked". If he had dismissed the question, he would have been skewered likewise. Personally, I appreciate the candor, vs. the mealy mouth, lying that typically takes place. Grow Some!!!<br /><br />Longbeardeast!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-39378348068997477932012-10-25T12:47:20.501-04:002012-10-25T12:47:20.501-04:00I want a guy who has the stones to talk about Arti...<i>I want a guy who has the stones to talk about Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution as regards Medicare and Social Security and who doesn't have a sudden attack of amnesia about Article 1, Section 8 when it comes to his own pet foibles.</i><br /><br />The reason politics today sucks so bad is because you have maybe 1/3rd of the population who believes in federalist principles, and a strong constitution. You have 1/3rd of the population who considers the constitution an outdated obstacle to turning the US into a European-style social democracy. Then you have 1/3rd that never really read the constitution, don't think much about it, and barely pay attention to what's going on in the world of politics. <br /><br />As long as politics is about capturing that middle 1/3rd, things are going to suck, because you can't appeal to them with ideology.Sebastianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14648225987293475835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-113612777728845892012-10-25T11:57:23.734-04:002012-10-25T11:57:23.734-04:00Scott J: The current line is active brain activity...Scott J: The current line is active brain activity, and not just the Medula Oblongata still waving the conductor's baton.<br /><br />Penn Jillette had a good youtube rant on the subject. You may want to look it up.Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-20267367894356094152012-10-25T07:01:39.835-04:002012-10-25T07:01:39.835-04:00When does life end? I'd say it's when the ...When does life end? I'd say it's when the CNS ceases to make the heart beat.<br /><br />If that's the yardstick then life begins when the baby has its own CNS making its heart beat.<br /><br />I don't know why we don't just prescribe RDU486 as a matter of course when treating rape victims.<br /><br />One of my Facebook friends just posted about some friends of his whose child passed in the womb three days before the due date. I can assure you that if such had happened to either of my children I would have mourned their loss just as much as if they'd died in my arms as an infant.<br /><br />As others have said this is an extremely complex issue that doesn't fit into small sound bites so the politicos would be better to just leave it alone.Scott Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-26322170356724180242012-10-25T06:23:10.545-04:002012-10-25T06:23:10.545-04:00When is this nation going to elect a guy who says ...When is this nation going to elect a guy who says "Don't joggle my elbow about God and stuff; I'm trying to balance the budget and stay out of good citizens' lives."? <br />Matt Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03500429239798601210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-31841952391704059572012-10-25T03:35:33.217-04:002012-10-25T03:35:33.217-04:00I see why you skipped the dog whistle question; p...I see why you skipped the dog whistle question; pity, that.<br /><br />So since No-Longer-Your-Guy *did* say he'd limit government in one place, but evidently gave absolutely no indication he'd extend his personal beliefs into the force of law in another, he's unacceptable?<br /><br />Let us know how that NRA "A" rated Democrat turns out. I hear Nevada's got a senator like that too...Harry Somethingorother...<br /><br />I wonder how those NRA "A" types feel about Supreme Court justices, and how future Heller and Obamacare cases will go with a few more Sotomayors on the Court. But hey, at least Roe is safe right?<br /><br />Maybe you could straighten Mr. Mordor out if you could show him "trimester" in the Bill of Rights somewhere.<br /><br />Best wishes on your electoral dilemma,<br />-Aesop<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-83437162987017912982012-10-25T01:30:48.018-04:002012-10-25T01:30:48.018-04:00Joseph:
Having the power to decide what use your ...Joseph:<br /><br />Having the power to decide what use your body is going to be put to is not in any way shape or form a "government".<br /><br />Regardless of how I feel about when sentient life starts ( and the number of weeks would surprise most folks that know me ), I am unwilling to give the government the powers needed to prevent abortions.<br /><br />These powers would have to include investigating all miscarriages as possible murders, and the power to jail pregnant women to prevent them from driving to Canada to get an abortion.<br /><br />The Prussian government had similar views to you on the matter ... they made women log their menstruation cycles with the local police.<br /><br />Preventing women from making these decisions about whether or not they are going to be used as a breeding machine will require regimentation that no one who calls themselves a small government advocate will stand for.<br /><br />But then you knew that. Social "conservatives" are always willing to pass more laws to force Jesus on people.<br /><br />There was a reason Barry Goldwater did not like or trust "the preachers" as he referred to the religious wing of the Republican Party.<br /><br /><br />The current Republican Party platform is that Roe v. Wade is the law of the land, and that the party supports the law. The party is also against government payments for ANY elective procedures, which includes abortion and contraception.<br /><br />Romney re-iterated his support of the party platform after Mourdock was suckered into wandering off-platform.<br />Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-9861572572673006162012-10-25T01:24:25.561-04:002012-10-25T01:24:25.561-04:00I personally believe that the abortion of rape ind...I personally believe that the abortion of rape induced pregnancy falls under self-defense. Pregnancy, as it always has been, is one of the most physically and financially risky things a woman will experience. Especially in the case of physically immature mothers. The fetus is literally an intruder though through no fault of its own. Like with any intruder in your home, competent or not, the would be baby is endangering life and property and thus is tragically subject to the mother defending herself with lethal force.Roadkillnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-13148216113683411552012-10-25T00:25:10.339-04:002012-10-25T00:25:10.339-04:00Under present law, pregnant women have the legal p...Under present law, pregnant women have the legal power of life and death over their fetuses. That makes them very local governments. It is consistent for someone to want to restrict governments and to restrict abortion.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04720409839023747889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-10730211757428381712012-10-24T23:21:07.737-04:002012-10-24T23:21:07.737-04:00staghounds said:
"Now we will lose an otherwi...staghounds said:<br /><i>"Now we will lose an otherwise good senator because he expressed an opinion about something he can't even change.<br /><br />And be stuck with one who will screw us over with the things he can."</i><br /><br />Exactly. And that is how the R's have been played ever since Roe v. Wade came down. Abortion as an issue in an election is a surprise to them. Every time.<br /><br />And I hate seeing good people fall for the same trap every time.rickn8orhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16911803300343351338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-27203632924181042282012-10-24T22:06:42.456-04:002012-10-24T22:06:42.456-04:00Aesop,
"You want fiscal conservatives who...Aesop,<br /><br />"<i>You want fiscal conservatives who're social liberals, find them and vote for them in numbers sufficient to carry the race. But fer pete's sake qwitcherbitchen just blahblahblah...</i>"<br /><br />No.<br /><br />I want a guy who has the stones to talk about Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution as regards Medicare and Social Security and who doesn't have a sudden attack of amnesia about Article 1, Section 8 when it comes to his own pet foibles.<br /><br />And don't give me that "well at least he's sincere" thing, because the only place to go from there involves invoking Godwin's Law...Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-41915658646016764012012-10-24T21:32:35.067-04:002012-10-24T21:32:35.067-04:00Anonymouse 2:01,
(And I'm using "Anonymo...Anonymouse 2:01,<br /><br />(And I'm using "Anonymouse" because gutless motherfucking coward who doesn't have the stones to use his own name lest I feed his dentures down his cakehole...)<br /><br />"<i>You libertarians are oh-so-tolerant of freedom of speech and religion, arentchya?<br /><br />Heaven forbid that YOU tolerate somebody else saying something that offends you, right?<br /><br />Vote for Obutthole then - just don't complain that you didn't have any options.</i>"<br /><br />1) Not a libertarian, so go fuck yourself with a saguaro.<br /><br />2) Don't give a shit what someone says, unless they're threatening to fuck around with the laws, so go fuck yourself with a saguaro.<br /><br />3) "Obutthole", as your little kindergarten pottymouth puts it, is not running against Mourdock for US senator from Indiana, so go fuck yourself with a saguaro.<br /><br />In short: Feel absolutely free to go fuck yourself with a saguaro, never read this blog again so as to keep from getting your widdwe feewings hurt, and go fuck yourself with a saguaro.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.com