tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post8439078237504548408..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: Gordon alive, or Adulyadej dead!Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger78125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-23755976675723931042011-12-13T23:27:19.297-05:002011-12-13T23:27:19.297-05:00The guy wasn't some stupid kid who accidentall...The guy wasn't some stupid kid who accidentally said the wrong thing. He is a Thai naitive who knew full well what he was doing and made a choice, probably halfway looking for this to happen to drum up press. <br /><br />If he was getting rail roaded on "espionage" charges by Iran or North Korea after they kidnapped him from a 3rd nation that would be another matter.<br /> This is Thailand where you can do about whatever you want, except criticise the Monarchy. <br /><br />Every 6 months some stupid hippy college student or christian missionary gets theirself in trouble in the middle east or Africa for breaking local laws. Americans need to realize other countries are not free and awesome like ours. If you plan to go to a 3rd world country then learn their rules and follow them.TORhttp://tslrf.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-11173925730783441402011-12-12T19:34:14.118-05:002011-12-12T19:34:14.118-05:00I concede that point, but (sorry there's alway...I concede that point, but (sorry there's always a but) it would appear (in my layman's opinion) that such reciprocity (for that is what does exist in the Anglo-American world) is based mostly (?) on the common cultural and legal framework. It would not be exercised in a situation where an action is illegal in one jurisdiction but not in another (at least I am not aware of such an instance).<br /><br />This is particular relevance here in Britain with the still proposed 'European Arrest warrant' which would open citizens of one country to prosecution for crimes, just such as this, not committed in another country, but with the 'harm' allegedly occurring in that country.<br /><br />Your (probably more informed) opinion?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-42485790768251064232011-12-12T19:15:32.662-05:002011-12-12T19:15:32.662-05:00I'm not justifying the law.
I'm replying...I'm not justifying the law. <br /><br />I'm replying to the people who say that the fact that he made his illegal-in-Thailand post while in America should somehow exempt him from prosecution in Thailand.<br /><br /> Criminal jurisdiction exercised by the place where the harm is suffered is typical in the Anglo-American justice system. <br /><br />The law may be one we dislike, but his prosecution for violating it should surprise no one.staghoundshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05976667812875074135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-5121060803878390612011-12-11T05:13:48.529-05:002011-12-11T05:13:48.529-05:00Staghounds Hmm, I understand the allegory, and per...Staghounds Hmm, I understand the allegory, and perhaps you're right, but it only goes so far. This isn't murder, this is someone taking offence. If what I say in a jurisdiction, where it is legal and acceptable to criticize those in authority, offends someone elsewhere, where such a statement is illegal and I can then be prosecuted for it - that way lies madness. Think of some of the regimes around the world and the laws they put in place to protect their delicate sensibilities. Justifying this case would justify preventing any criticism of such regimes (in case you ever get within their grasp, anyway).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-61164609278612840292011-12-10T20:51:25.374-05:002011-12-10T20:51:25.374-05:00Stag, I bet something like that has happened in Te...Stag, I bet something like that has happened in Texarkana at least once. I wonder how they handled it there.<br /><br />Grayson, there is a tactful way of telling a fool to go bugger himself, at least here in the South.<br /><br /> One says, "Why, bless your (his) heart!" Being a fool, he probably won't catch on until later, when it is explained to him. With any luck, you and he will be far apart from each other by then.Justthisguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17277333206171756636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-26238646572462208842011-12-10T19:09:27.058-05:002011-12-10T19:09:27.058-05:00Able, no, you err. Firing a gun is a lawful act in...Able, no, you err. Firing a gun is a lawful act in georgia. That's all I did in Georgia, fired a gun. Sue- I meant to kill my enemy over the state line- but the impact and death happened in Tennessee. <br /><br />Legal act in one jurisdiction, prohibited act in another. If Tennessee can get you, they will try you.staghoundshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05976667812875074135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-72730807120547151782011-12-10T13:53:49.565-05:002011-12-10T13:53:49.565-05:00This is like.... Free College! I learn so much ha...This is like.... Free College! I learn so much hanging around the pickle barrel here.STxRynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-70311917825294160092011-12-10T13:23:13.827-05:002011-12-10T13:23:13.827-05:00Sigivald: Exactly my point.
If you voluntarily ta...Sigivald: Exactly my point.<br /><br />If you <b>voluntarily</b> take a commission or office from a foreign government ( that includes any noble title with actual government responsibilities, as opposed to name only titles ), the State Department will assume you have voluntarily renounced your citizenship.<br /><br />The first paragraph makes it clear you have to voluntarily perform the act.<br /><br />If the current King of Thailand had not voluntarily ascended the throne, he would still be a US citizen, regardless of being next in line by accident of birth.<br /><br /><br />That amendment in 1810 was promoted to beat on idiots that paid good money to get legal fiction noble titles.Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-43189487994282270402011-12-09T15:41:16.094-05:002011-12-09T15:41:16.094-05:00Kristopher: I wouldn't be so sure of that.
Ho...Kristopher: I wouldn't be <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titles_of_Nobility_Amendment" rel="nofollow">so sure of that</a>.<br /><br />However, if he <i>wanted</i> to renounce his American citizenship as part of <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001481----000-.html" rel="nofollow">performing the duties of any office [...] under the government of a foreign state"</a>, he could.<br /><br />It is <i>not</i>, however, automatic - it has to be matched with at least stated intent. Which he could state, and have accepted, the moment it was useful.<br /><br />Nothing in the United States Code or the Constitution says that a foreign monarch can't also be an American citizen.<br /><br />(It does say that officers of the US can't take noble titles, and that the US and states can't grant them, though.)Sigivaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16152366541957466049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-9470862092565785352011-12-09T13:47:26.962-05:002011-12-09T13:47:26.962-05:00"I think that's next on my Do Want list: ..."I think that's next on my Do Want list: a full-length, non-sporterized Krag infantry rifle."<br /><br />Just finishing up a full restoration of an 1896 Krag infantry rifle here in Cheeseland. Pics will be up on my website eventually, but I'll set the Dirt Nap Property Distribution App to send it your way since there's no room for it when my ashes/Soylent Green get flung/consumed. ;-)Gewehr98https://www.blogger.com/profile/14440119702457734221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-87114455108715367352011-12-09T12:09:50.452-05:002011-12-09T12:09:50.452-05:00Not really applicable is it Staghounds? Murder in ...Not really applicable is it Staghounds? Murder in Georgia is still murder in Tennessee - illegal in both jurisdictions. Here what was an entirely legal act in the jurisdiction it occurred in, free speech, is being punished in another where it isn't. It's more equivalent to you being arrested on stepping off the plane at Heathrow for owning a handgun. Not acceptable in that case, is it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-74264779619556370242011-12-09T11:51:49.073-05:002011-12-09T11:51:49.073-05:00"Yes I shot the bullet that killed him in Cha..."Yes I shot the bullet that killed him in Chattanooga. But I did it in Georgia, never been to Tennessee in my life."<br /><br /><br />Actually I assume Thailand asserts the same traditional criminal jurisdiction every U. S. state does- crimes committed here, or acts committed elsewhere which ave the results here.staghoundshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05976667812875074135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-67275105896190537782011-12-09T07:32:35.932-05:002011-12-09T07:32:35.932-05:00If the bit about him not even being in Thailand wh...If the bit about him not even being in Thailand when the alleged crime occurred, then perhaps my post isn't a joke after all.<br /><br />Hey, it's not a crime to call ภูมิพลอดุลยเดช a great big poopy head here in America, after all.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-78672319750056742692011-12-09T07:27:20.305-05:002011-12-09T07:27:20.305-05:00I could never be a diplomat. The article quotes o...I could never be a diplomat. The article quotes our counsel general as saying that we respect the laws of Thailand. I know diplomats have to say silly things sometimes, but I don't think I could keep a straight face while claiming to respect the concept of "lese majeste".fast richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05947715402204312013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-32988693977344547902011-12-09T07:12:58.859-05:002011-12-09T07:12:58.859-05:00I think that's next on my Do Want list: a full...I think that's next on my Do Want list: a full-length, non-sporterized Krag infantry rifle.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-20729133704354805702011-12-09T06:25:18.376-05:002011-12-09T06:25:18.376-05:00Drang, I'd have been tickled pink if Milius ha...Drang, I'd have been tickled pink if Milius had been able to scare up enough Lee Navy Straightpulls to equip the boys, but the Long Tom Krags had a certain charm too.Ed Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09676740819579030462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-87818630995583058672011-12-09T05:26:11.307-05:002011-12-09T05:26:11.307-05:00Anon 12:43,
You're funny! :)Anon 12:43,<br /><br />You're funny! :)Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-76223893914950566102011-12-09T04:28:23.277-05:002011-12-09T04:28:23.277-05:00Just This Guy: After I hit "Publish Your Com...Just This Guy: After I hit "Publish Your Comment" I went to YouTube to see about embedding that scene on my own blog. I know I got it there once upon a time--probably posted to AR15.com's WAHTF--but I couldn't find it. This makes me a sad panda. I have often said that the command "Prepare to storm the palace!" should be heard more often, preferably in a Mid-Western accent. <br /><br />Shortly after Mrs. Drang and I began dating, I discovered that she, inexplicably, purchases the novelizations of movies. Including, you guessed it, <i>The Wind And The Lion</i>, by John Milius. Apparently, the Marines in that scene were played by US Marines in period uniforms, and the sailors were played by Spanish soldiers. Have you ever ehard the claims that all Armies "step off on the left", and always have? Not so, Milius had a hell of a time getting the Spaniards to stop stepping off on the right...Dranghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08082177597135236652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-81023360563614122422011-12-09T03:44:40.590-05:002011-12-09T03:44:40.590-05:00Tam:
I feel compelled to throw in my 2 cents worth...Tam:<br />I feel compelled to throw in my 2 cents worth....<br /><br />1) Here in Canada, the word 'wog' is an acronym (I think acronym is the correct term).<br />It's short for "With Out Guts". As in, "gutless".<br /><br />2)If you call a Canadian citizen a wog, be prepared to fight. A lot.<br /><br />3)I have never once met any Thai citizen (or former Thai) who in any way could be considered a 'wog'; they are universally polite, intelligent, hard working, decent people - who don't start trouble, but don't have a problem with dealing with trouble, either.<br />(In my experience, anyways.)<br /><br />4)I, for one, truly appreciate your sense of humour; not to mention your weapons-grade snark. Don't EVER apoligise for it.<br /><br />5)Do you think that the term, 'wog' could be considered a suitable synonym for 'politically correct arse kisser'?<br /><br />6)I sometimes have the questionable habit of being tactlessly blunt when dealing with fools and wogs. I have found, however, that there really isn't a good, gentle, tactful way of telling a fool to go and bugger himself to death. I get much worse when under the influence of Guinness truth serum. <br /><br />And THAT, of course, is why there is no hope whatsoever that I will ever be invited to the White House.<br /><br />You, however, still have a good chance - because you're such a nice blogger! ;)<br /><br />Alas, I must depart. Long day tomorrow, then POETS corner at the local watering hole.<br />Cheers!Graysonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-51102931347476941062011-12-09T03:42:08.759-05:002011-12-09T03:42:08.759-05:00Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke. I lik...Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke. I like Thais a lot in general, but damn...J.R.Shirleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08498164179579546593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-27148674948492739102011-12-09T02:16:48.872-05:002011-12-09T02:16:48.872-05:00Drang, my favorite scene in that movie is the assa...Drang, my favorite scene in that movie is the assault on the palace. Not only that, but they were thoughtful enough to bring a band, so they could do it to live music. The sailors in the band looked like sailors really did in those days, with no way to press their uniforms. The Marines looked quite sharp, of course.<br /><br />I am not making this up: WV is bandho. That's Band, Ho!, not band ho, of course. There is no money in being a band ho, of course; most bandsmen are too shy and nerdy to approach a ho.Justthisguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17277333206171756636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-32583347474666741882011-12-09T00:45:01.529-05:002011-12-09T00:45:01.529-05:00Of course we could always tell THEM what we think....Of course we could always tell THEM what we think.<br /><br /><br />Contact info: http://www.thaiembdc.org/AboutEmb/contact.aspx<br /><br />1024 Wisconsin Avenue NW # 101 Washington, DC 20007-3681<br />(202) 944-3600Cargosquidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15109858929179841075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-47119938944437875152011-12-09T00:43:20.889-05:002011-12-09T00:43:20.889-05:00Tam, what have you done for this country that you ...Tam, what have you done for this country that you can make such judgements? You don't even have a job. Oh teh arroganceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-9871044717949467492011-12-09T00:05:23.033-05:002011-12-09T00:05:23.033-05:00Who plays Captain Jerome this time?
Alas, our cur...Who plays Captain Jerome this time?<br /><br />Alas, our current CinC is the wrong kind of madman...Dranghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08082177597135236652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-71155123949416125992011-12-08T23:59:02.653-05:002011-12-08T23:59:02.653-05:00Tam: I think the King's US citizenship became ...Tam: I think the King's US citizenship became void the second he ascended to the throne.<br /><br />Accepting a real patent of nobility ( as opposed to Lord of the Manor nonsense ), a government post, or an officer's commission from a foreign country is one of the few ways you can involuntarily lose your birthright US citizenship.Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.com