tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post8452121629549350564..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: The Federal Bureau of Entrapment.Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-44831148595582222982012-12-13T10:45:10.944-05:002012-12-13T10:45:10.944-05:00Oh, wow, Tam!
We need those pure lines. They make...Oh, wow, Tam!<br /><br />We <em>need</em> those pure lines. They make wonderful out-crossings! Then the cross-breds can be put to useful purpose. <br />Brad K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/18378344866487206569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-36523967461956201942012-12-13T06:02:21.842-05:002012-12-13T06:02:21.842-05:00"Your" country?
Well, one of the first ..."Your" country?<br /><br />Well, one of the first things we did, 'way back at the beginning, was get rid of the ridiculous concept of inherited respectability.<br /><br />This ain't "your" country any more than it is any Tomas, Raoul, or Heinrich who has their citizenship papers, so piss off with your bullshit notions of "Founding Stock Americans"; that went out with the Know Nothings.<br /><br />What are you, some kind of livestock?Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-67881837497378112532012-12-13T02:18:07.064-05:002012-12-13T02:18:07.064-05:00P.s. I just realized that I automatically took th...P.s. I just realized that I automatically took the anti-.gov position on this question. That's pretty sad, seeing that I really am a Founding Stock American. What have you people done to my country?Justthisguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17277333206171756636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-33227870588848980192012-12-05T16:55:52.266-05:002012-12-05T16:55:52.266-05:00markm,
By "right side of the curve" I w...markm,<br /><br />By "right side of the curve" I was referring more to relative operational training as opposed to IQ.<br /><br />i.e. people with enough training (either prior service .mil, not necessarily US, or terrorist training of some type, and not necessarily Islamic (IRA for one comes to mind)) and information to acquire the tools they need without being led by the hand by an FBI shill.<br /><br />Most likely they would be acting as "lone wolf" operators, the hardest to ID and stop, but certainly more dangerous than the clowns like those in the referenced story.RandyGCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-47825112002455134662012-12-05T07:36:16.588-05:002012-12-05T07:36:16.588-05:00On a related note, Claire Wolfe has posted her lon...On a related note, Claire Wolfe has posted her long awaited book on snitches.<br /><br />http://www.backwoodshome.com/blogs/ClaireWolfe/2012/11/27/the-anti-snitch-book-is-now-live/Cybrluditehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02222195374935367060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-33763457248047361842012-12-04T23:15:32.652-05:002012-12-04T23:15:32.652-05:00There is always an engineering solution. One shou...There is always an engineering solution. One should take a random (small!) sample of the alleged C4 and one of the alleged detonators out into a field and attempt to set it off as a test. <br /><br />But then, anybody smart enough to do that is prolly smart enough to smell a provocateur. You know what they say: The guy in your group who is most enthusiastic about blowing stuff up Right Now, that guy is the Fed. Justthisguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17277333206171756636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-26030506668373140352012-12-04T17:57:47.862-05:002012-12-04T17:57:47.862-05:00RandyGC: "Course, the question is while they&...RandyGC: "Course, the question is while they're busy setting up the left half of the terrorist bell curve, who's watching/looking for the ones on the right side?"<br /><br />There aren't very many on the right side. People who are sane and smart will generally find better things to do than blowing something up - especially in the USA, where we really do have opportunity for all that are capable. The sane and not stupid are especially unlikely to volunteer for suicide missions. Bin Laden recruited from countries where the economy, society, and religion are all so fouled up it's difficult for an American to comprehend, and yet he still only got 19 barely competent recruits - and he used them all up in one day.<br /><br />It's not that there's *no* danger from high-IQ terrorists. Ted Kaczinski managed to kill a few people, but what he could do was severely limited by being too nuts to play well - or at all - with others. (Don't believe the movies. You can't just place an order at Minions-R-Us, you have to recruit criminally-minded henchmen one at a time, and then they are *criminals*. They'll knife you in the back and steal your stuff when it seems like a better bet than your plan.) <br /><br />At least in our sort-of-free country, any evil genius who isn't nuts will go into something like politics or banking. They might be more dangerous to our society than any terrorists, but (given the narrow constitutional definition of "treason") the FBI usually has no jurisdiction over their actions...markmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-28770546493529581342012-12-04T17:39:10.396-05:002012-12-04T17:39:10.396-05:00Very, VERY well said, Alath.Very, VERY well said, <b>Alath</b>. Matt Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03500429239798601210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-51628491383081330982012-12-04T17:15:52.400-05:002012-12-04T17:15:52.400-05:00Back in my lost youth in the Movement we referred ...Back in my lost youth in the Movement we referred to them as the Feeble Bureau f Instigation. Feel free to claim this title as your own creation. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-3839742235003958652012-12-04T16:50:01.114-05:002012-12-04T16:50:01.114-05:00It looks to me like the real terrorist organizatio...It looks to me like the real terrorist organizations operate just like the FBI does in these cases: find a low-grade moron who's incoherently angry about something, and set him up in the terrorist business.<br /><br />In most cases, I bet these stooges couldn't conspire or terrorize themselves out of a wet paper bag. <br />The dangerous folks are the ones who find and employ the stooges. <br /><br />I doubt the FBI's strategy here is going to signficantly reduce the supply of angry morons.<br />No sympathy for the angry morons, but no kudos to the FBI for this latest performance in Security Theatre of the Absurd, either.<br /><br />Alath<br />Carmel INAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-45503497379724943252012-12-04T15:35:33.289-05:002012-12-04T15:35:33.289-05:00Pro tip for revolutionaries:
The guy always talki...Pro tip for revolutionaries:<br /><br />The guy always talking about blowing up the Man?<br /><br />THAT'S the FBI informant.Geodkythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17340718574781403778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-22443989171617481212012-12-04T14:15:21.837-05:002012-12-04T14:15:21.837-05:00"@ MattG:
I may be missing the point, but it ...<i>"@ MattG:<br />I may be missing the point, but it seems to me the issue is 'Would this individual - and others in similar circumstances - have actually done anything if the FBI hadn't been there egging them on? And providing the necessary tools and other hard-to-get items?'<br /><br />In other words, are these manufactured events?"</i><br /><br /><br />@<b>shovelDriver</b>: No, you've not missed the point, but I suppose that I didn't make clear that my point is, in any successful sting like this, the defense attorney HAS to raise the question of entrapment. It is the first question on all of our minds in <i>any</i> case involving a sting, whether it's a plot to bomb a bridge, or a contract killing of a spouse, or even just a simple prostitution or drug sting. Having participated in stings, I can tell you that it's the first hurdle that we look at: How to show probable cause to believe that the actor was intent upon committing the crime of his own accord.<br /><br />And just about every convict that I've ever met told me that he was badgered into a plea. But you know? I've been in the court room when the judge takes those pleas. In the end, it's a defendant who is told the full nature of the charges, explains them back to the judge, and declares openly and explicitly to the judge that he did what he's being charged with. Matt Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03500429239798601210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-33975880148247811882012-12-04T14:03:05.978-05:002012-12-04T14:03:05.978-05:00Woodman:
Traffic court would collapse. Which woul...Woodman:<br /><br />Traffic court would collapse. Which would be a good thing.Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722792638246578812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-78108904319304554902012-12-04T11:04:37.070-05:002012-12-04T11:04:37.070-05:00I support the plea bargain boycott.
One of the m...I support the plea bargain boycott. <br /><br />One of the most devastating pieces of public resistance if it could be pulled off. <br /><br />If everyone arrested for every crime insisted on a trial, by jury when possible, it would shut down the legal system and clear out the fishing cases in a heartbeat.Woodmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17258502914515356626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-31187982592444458062012-12-04T09:20:24.068-05:002012-12-04T09:20:24.068-05:00staghounds,
Thing is, they managed to badger the ...staghounds,<br /><br />Thing is, they managed to badger the cretin into a guilty plea, so no jury's going to get a chance at it.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-28097394581276077902012-12-04T08:40:01.803-05:002012-12-04T08:40:01.803-05:00"Would this individual...have actually done a..."Would this individual...have actually done anything if the FBI hadn't been there egging them on? And providing the necessary tools and other hard-to-get items?"<br /><br />If a jury says "no" after a trial, then it's "not guilty". <br /><br />That's the entrapment defense. staghoundshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05976667812875074135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-76972542069648540872012-12-04T01:26:48.248-05:002012-12-04T01:26:48.248-05:00"Usually in those cases it will come out that..."Usually in those cases it will come out that the individual pressuring had ulterior motives."<br /><br />Given the frequently demonstrated penchant of law enforcement types covering for their co-workers, as documented by the FBI's own annual reports available on the bureau's website, I would say that "Usually in those cases, we the public will never know . . ."shovelDrivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-50400194622224760502012-12-04T00:40:40.382-05:002012-12-04T00:40:40.382-05:00Gotta say, Will has a point here. Now it's a ... Gotta say, Will has a point here. Now it's a given that most of these "terrorists" and wannabes are about as sharp as a marble but, you'd think they'd do several test runs. Drive by the location, go out in the wilderness and test the explosive and detonation system; but again, these guys really aren't that bright.<br /><br /> Now addressing other statements, yes some of these incidences may never have happened without the pressuring of snitches and certain agents. Usually in those cases it will come out that the individual pressuring had ulterior motives. Some cases, however were all the schmuck who got busted.<br /><br /> I bet that first paragraph will get me a stern talking to at some point. . .BigDickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04525576493144645314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-1188156336582027182012-12-04T00:37:50.350-05:002012-12-04T00:37:50.350-05:00"To me...if you're looking to buy high ex..."To me...if you're looking to buy high explosives (without a darn good reason), you should be put on the alert list. If you start building an explosive, teams should be monitoring your every move. The minute you pack it up and put it in the car, the wrath of Uncle Sam should drop upon your head. Just my opinion, of course."<br /><br />Twenty years ago, I worked with a guy who owned a large farm in MS. He made his living as an equipment/field service tech at hospitals. His idea of fun was to build explosives, or buy them, and blow things up in the far back 40. His hobby was explosives. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people like him around the US. My point is that just because you deal in explosives, without a badge, doesn't make you a bad guy.Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722792638246578812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-68292155890529420902012-12-04T00:24:39.250-05:002012-12-04T00:24:39.250-05:00So, what happens to the FBI/other agent, if it tu...So, what happens to the FBI/other agent, if it turns out the plotter has his own explosive, which he swaps out for the fake stuff?<br /><br />For that matter, if it did happen that way, would we ever find out?Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722792638246578812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-48957937740520342712012-12-03T22:12:41.473-05:002012-12-03T22:12:41.473-05:00Didja get a good look at Wright's mug shot? Du...Didja get a good look at Wright's mug shot? Dude made Nick Nolte's drunk & disorderly pix look GOOD...seen better lookin' heads on an iodine bottle. o_OJohninMd.(help!)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-49236244480079332602012-12-03T21:55:37.615-05:002012-12-03T21:55:37.615-05:00Tam has the issue clearly in hand it's a matte...Tam has the issue clearly in hand it's a matter of how much goading they did.<br /><br />Vicki Weaver and her 11 year old son died because an ATF snitch browbeat her husband into cutting a shotgun an inch too short.Scott Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-50766924459522161782012-12-03T21:13:06.322-05:002012-12-03T21:13:06.322-05:00I recall that one of the other recent bustings of ...I recall that one of the other recent bustings of wannabe tangos included tapes of the Feebs actively trying to talk the wannabe out of it. "There are other ways of showing your devotion to Allah..."<br />FWIW.Dranghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08082177597135236652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-85481140437867204122012-12-03T20:43:29.665-05:002012-12-03T20:43:29.665-05:00It's ALL about budgets and getting $$ to conti...It's ALL about budgets and getting $$ to continue 'law enforcement'... sighOld NFOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16404197287935017147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-37710386143548118382012-12-03T20:20:18.547-05:002012-12-03T20:20:18.547-05:00@ shovelDriver,
Yep. That seems to be the crux.
...@ shovelDriver,<br /><br />Yep. That seems to be the crux.<br /><br />I would rather turn back the clock, and forbid any law enforcement agency or member to attempt to deceive anyone about anything. I find any form of entrapment, misleading statements, deceit, or intimidation to be an infringement of the Fifth Amendment.<br /><br />And I would like to make it a crime for a candidate to later go back on campaign comments and promises. Especially if it misleads campaign donors.Brad K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/18378344866487206569noreply@blogger.com