tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post9176440501595977474..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: *ka-POP!*Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-53101761836045605852011-07-23T19:42:16.835-04:002011-07-23T19:42:16.835-04:00Geez Ed, How do you really feel about Glocks? ;) ...Geez Ed, How do you really feel about Glocks? ;) You're right about the M&P pistols - a bit loose but holds and points miles better for me than the similar Glocks. Glad I had my affair with them, we had some good times, but glad they're gone.Discobobbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-54678119568301002662011-07-23T11:20:58.229-04:002011-07-23T11:20:58.229-04:00Tennifer hardened. Why is it that people keep conf...Tennifer hardened. Why is it that people keep confusing hard steel with strong steel? Hard is brittle, tough is less hard, and surface hardening only makes sense if there is a core large enough to provide the strength needed. <br /><br /> Surface hardening is for wear resistence, nothing else. Reduce the amount of core in a marginal wall thickness and you reduce the resistance to flexure while increasing brittleness. Pop.<br /><br /> Anyway, thank you for the correction. I assume (scary word for an engineer) that the uniform radii I saw in the picture were the result of barrel tumbling before the bore was qualified, rather than the cast edges I first thought. My boo-boo entirely.<br /><br /> We used a similar process, ion nitriding, on a couple of test guns the Hartford CT ERT team is testing for a few months. Basically our standard carry gun, with a Picatinny rail milled into the dust cover. Their request, not ours.<br /><br /> I kinda think it's a bucket under a bull, seeing as how the frame and slide are forged 4140 chrome-molly from a double vacuum melted pour. Bourdon Forge has been making pistol forgings for 80 years and I think they are argueably the best in the business, but the customer is always right. Or at least he is the customer.<br /><br /> But the only place on a 1911 that has a fairly thin wall would be the grip sides around the magazine well, and that's a low stress area.<br /><br /> I admit warpage was minor after the process, but enough that I had to line ream the sear pin and hammer pin holes to get a decent trigger pull. With a frame now as hard as my reamers, it took forty bucks worth of reamers to clean up the holes.<br /><br /> Admittedly, not a problem on a sloppy gun with big tolerances, like some I could mention.<br /><br /> Hammer forging has it's advantages and it's disadvantages. It makes a long wearing barrel, with a smooth finish and work hardened load face.<br /><br /> However, it has an innate bounce-back component that means you will never get a truely consistent bore, and gas cutting becomes noticable in a fairly short time, especially in rifle bores. Practical accuracy probably, pinpoint never.<br /><br /> You can get away from that with autofrettage, but that process doesn't even start to make sense until you're working with a bore in the 85mm-90mm range.<br /><br /> Anyway, I doubt I'll ever be able to have a rational conversation with a person who is proud of a weapon who's primary boast is that it is the absolute cheapest pistol on the market that can do about what a well made weapon can. <br /><br /> A plastic frame that is marginal to scary with any cartridge other than a 9mm or 45acp (look at S&W for a plastic frame that doesn't break. Loose and sloppy and fills with all kinds of skin and holster residue, but it doesn't break). <br /><br /> Fair to O.K. but never great barrels if they hold together. If. <br /><br /> Lots of cheap stamped metal parts internally, which is allright if the parts are well deburred and properly heattreated. Batch cooked when dumped randomly in a basket, not so good.<br /><br /> A broad flat slide top, originally due to the stamped and welded old style slides, that has the instinctive pointing ability of I-95 with no traffic on it.<br /><br /> A quarter century of continuous quality control problems, and an angry collection of Palestinians and Koreans for a work force.<br /><br /> Would you put youe wife and kids on an airliner made by these people?Ed Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09676740819579030462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-85569270794399249202011-07-22T19:02:48.991-04:002011-07-22T19:02:48.991-04:00That drives me nuts/nuttier when the fling and cat...That drives me nuts/nuttier when the fling and catch their rounds.<br /><br />I'm not sure the flinging po method would work at night in the shot them in the face world. If you need to, just stick the little finger in the chamber and check that way.<br /><br />GerryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-34154455355043485532011-07-22T14:32:47.624-04:002011-07-22T14:32:47.624-04:00Typo: "NEVER pick it up to use again."
...Typo: "NEVER pick it up <b>to</b> use again."<br /><br />Hopefully you knew what I meant.Discobobbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-41926361204201080962011-07-22T14:29:00.823-04:002011-07-22T14:29:00.823-04:00I was taught that you eject the round to the groun...I was taught that you eject the round to the ground, as described above, and then NEVER pick it up it use again. Leave it, you have more. Put it in the bin if you can find it. How do you know that round is yours after taking your eyes off it to clear your pistol? Maybe that round you're picking up has been there for God knows how long from somebody else's session?<br /><br />The more I actually looked around and found random live rounds, the more sense it made.Discobobbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-29813373960629389902011-07-22T14:02:20.663-04:002011-07-22T14:02:20.663-04:00Dave,
Pretty sure that both my Colt 1908 Vest Poc...Dave,<br /><br />Pretty sure that both my Colt 1908 Vest Pocket and Harrington & Richardson Self-Loading .32 function that way.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-43080263014173436962011-07-22T13:50:34.465-04:002011-07-22T13:50:34.465-04:00Just add I avoid wrapping my hand around an explo...Just add I avoid wrapping my hand around an exploding firecracker, I tend to keep my soft fleshy bits from becoming an impromptu chamber.GuardDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08622236339096746029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-28976419673942082702011-07-22T13:48:41.340-04:002011-07-22T13:48:41.340-04:00@ Anonymous
It is regarded a fun pastime to poke ...@ Anonymous<br /><br />It is regarded a fun pastime to poke fun at Hi Points on the net, but if I recall correctly J.M.B. invented that particular dual use of the firing pin ages ago. Someone with a greater knowledge of vintage semi-automatics can feel free to correct me if I am mistaken.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-35024324284291332352011-07-22T13:43:14.936-04:002011-07-22T13:43:14.936-04:00Laughingdog,
Yes, but to avoid stooping down, you...Laughingdog,<br /><br />Yes, but to avoid stooping down, you are increasing (however marginally) the chance that some ER neurse is going to have to use tweezers to pull case fragments out of your hand. If this is a reasonable trade-off to you, then rock on with how you've been doing it.<br /><br />Me? Well, I can use the extra deep-knee bends anyway. ;)Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-64177900832843049492011-07-22T13:38:14.095-04:002011-07-22T13:38:14.095-04:00"lest it get dirty "
Or you start doing..."lest it get dirty "<br /><br />Or you start doing it because you're too lazy to want to stoop down for the round.<br /><br />Honestly, I still don't see an issue with what I've always done. I turn the gun over, pull the slide, and hold it back until I see the round in my hand. Rotate the gun back partway to look in the barrel and down what should be an empty grip, and then let the slide go forward (and not by just letting go of the slide).Laughingdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07788824586959334168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-8446092597731732162011-07-22T13:31:40.707-04:002011-07-22T13:31:40.707-04:00Free hand? One hand is holding the grip, the othe...Free hand? One hand is holding the grip, the other hand is working the slide, and his third hand is catching the ejected round in the air? No wonder he's a good shot. He has 2 support hands.New Jovian Thunderbolthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09452246769246304612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-13720688263745122482011-07-22T11:54:37.837-04:002011-07-22T11:54:37.837-04:00Caleb,
Yeah, I know the cool kids do it that way,...Caleb,<br /><br />Yeah, I know the cool kids do it that way, but it makes me cringe.<br /><br />"<i>Hey! Ken Griffey Jr.! You've still got a pistol in that other hand while you're running down that pop fly in shallow center!</i>"<br /><br />Too much attention being focused on the ejected round and not enough on the, you know, gun itself.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-88527440658592671522011-07-22T11:53:36.306-04:002011-07-22T11:53:36.306-04:00Interesting to suddenly hear about all this, and t...Interesting to suddenly hear about all this, and then read about it at the same time. In Scott Reitz new book <a href="http://www.internationaltactical.com/book1.html" rel="nofollow"><i>"The Art of Modern Gunfighting"</i></a> he talks about loading and unloading a pistol, and it sure sounds like he recommends working the slide to recover the last live round in the support hand, held over the ejection port. <br />It's not a flashy showboat kind of competition thing but intended to ensure the last live round (*that* one), is unloaded from *that* gun - and so one is well aware and it is verified that *that* particular weapon has been unloaded - basically in an effort to confirm status and avoid NDs. (p.154-157)<br />Not that I know how to do it.NotClauswitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14358707844087117280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-21751854586853973932011-07-22T11:36:17.257-04:002011-07-22T11:36:17.257-04:00Just eject the round up the air and catch it with ...Just eject the round up the air and catch it with your free hand like Todd Jarrett does. You get to keep your 23 cents AND look all ninja and shit!Calebhttp://gunnuts.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-23042860038211405192011-07-22T10:53:27.796-04:002011-07-22T10:53:27.796-04:00Just in case nobody here has one (I traded some ju...Just in case nobody here has one (I traded some junk for one, just for kicks), the Hi-Point pistols actually use the firing pin for the ejector.<br /><br />That's right. Any time you pull the slide back on a Hi-Point pistol to eject a round, the firing pin is hitting the primer to eject the round.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-7903871453651144542011-07-22T10:51:56.224-04:002011-07-22T10:51:56.224-04:00For those of us who like to keep things simple the...For those of us who like to keep things simple the answer seems to be to run the slide back the SAME WAY for "clearing" as for making ready or dealing with a malfunction (presuming safe direction finger out of the guard etc). Once I've worked the slide that way once (usually being rewarded with the shiny nickel case of a .45 EFMJ launching upward and outward from my XD) THEN I can lock the slide back or do whatever that particular kata requiresBoat Guynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-62107866795898168872011-07-22T09:46:39.451-04:002011-07-22T09:46:39.451-04:00Ed,
The barrel was cold-hammer-forged steel.
How...Ed,<br /><br />The barrel was cold-hammer-forged steel.<br /><br />However, rumor has it that, at least at that time, the only heat-treat that Glock barrels rec'd was from the Tennifer process itself.<br /><br />The chamber walls on the .40s are pretty thin and, combined with the Tennifer process, you can get surface hardening that "meets in the middle", creating a dangerous failure mode in a severely overpressure round, which is apparently what happened with that particular G35.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-46394650532737666062011-07-22T09:41:22.114-04:002011-07-22T09:41:22.114-04:00And my offer over on the Say Uncle site goes for a...And my offer over on the Say Uncle site goes for anybody who reads VFTP also. I'll put aside an extra dozen pins just for your readers.<br /><br /> I might even have 5 or 6 Ti6AL4V hammer struts I can spare, strickly for VFTP family members.Ed Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09676740819579030462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-61769725198431893052011-07-22T09:35:18.747-04:002011-07-22T09:35:18.747-04:00Pictures sent. Look at the fracture propagation in...Pictures sent. Look at the fracture propagation in the first picture, as well as the seemingly cast radii along the top of the hood. My call is cast.<br /><br /> First, the welded slides fracture, forcing them to go to an American company and have their slides made from bar stock. <br /><br /> Then, the soft roll pins they cast in, to stiffen up the frame, bend under repeated stress, causing slam fires and the recall of every Glock frame made up until the fall of 1990. Any that are still out there and missed the recall are timebombs waiting to go off.<br /><br /> Jesus, we used stiffening pins in the Colt 2000 too (not we, I was over on the M-4 line, but Colt's when I was there), but they were hardened. <br /><br /> Bad lockblocks have blown all kinds of Glocks apart. Not just the three .357SIG's the New Mexico State Police lost in a single morning with factory ammo, but .40's all over the place, and a few GAP's. <br /><br /> I've never forgiven Glock for bringing out the GAP. I wanted to use the same sized case for a small blowback pocket pistol, with a 185 at about 700fps.<br /><br /> The Glock Gen4's feed like doo-doo, and their heat treatment is all over the place. One batch is fine, the next batch is shattering lockups and blowing the gun in half.<br /><br /> Whoever is doing their advertising is brilliant. I'd like to hire them.Ed Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09676740819579030462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-14034373933740487922011-07-22T09:20:22.273-04:002011-07-22T09:20:22.273-04:00Sounds like the Audi 5000 syndrome.
"It acce...Sounds like the Audi 5000 syndrome.<br /><br />"It accelerated like it was possessed by the Devil, and I was stamping on the brake!"Borepatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-24223723142497867602011-07-22T09:12:42.656-04:002011-07-22T09:12:42.656-04:00I've never understood running the slide back a...I've never understood running the slide back and forwards a few times to make sure the weapon is empty.<br /><br />Cheers- RustyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-16579595299894772172011-07-22T09:11:31.590-04:002011-07-22T09:11:31.590-04:00I have pictures of two seperate blown barrels on G...I have pictures of two seperate blown barrels on Glocks, up on the wall of shame in the pistol assembly area. The closer one (I'll send you the picture) sure looks cast to me.Ed Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09676740819579030462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-26319329283376076772011-07-22T08:52:21.303-04:002011-07-22T08:52:21.303-04:00Ed,
"Cast barrels?"
No. I think somebo...Ed,<br /><br />"<i>Cast barrels?</i>"<br /><br />No. I think somebody was pulling your leg.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-6249384526283301972011-07-22T08:49:16.030-04:002011-07-22T08:49:16.030-04:00Excellent point, especially concerning the extende...Excellent point, especially concerning the extended ejectors. Another scary answer to a question never asked.<br /><br /> Though I really do despise Glocks. Shitty metallurgy in addition to their other faults. The good ones run good, and the bad ones blow up,there are far too many bad ones, and you never know which you're going to get. <br /><br /> Cast barrels? No wonder so many are losing their chambers.Ed Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09676740819579030462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-59090590992572293252011-07-22T08:40:35.810-04:002011-07-22T08:40:35.810-04:00I'm sure NJT knows this, but for those that do...I'm sure NJT knows this, but for those that don't:<br /><br />Even if, by some chance, the ejected cartridge defies all the laws of physics and falls through the air with the heavy, pointy end facing up and the light, blunt end facing down, and does somehow succeed in landing on something with enough force to bust the cap, the bullet isn't going to go much of anywhere. Case fragments might pepper your leg from a distance of three feet or so, but not so's you'd notice if you were wearing long pants.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.com