tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post1143798314826679960..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: Speaking of gun safety...Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-23203417239466938822011-04-04T03:57:39.698-04:002011-04-04T03:57:39.698-04:00I think they pay the local kids to come in and rak...I think they pay the local kids to come in and rake out the brass on non-range days. I don't recall anyone picking up brass during classes. No time for that!Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722792638246578812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-468707037205451172011-04-04T02:11:41.738-04:002011-04-04T02:11:41.738-04:00"A little dirt won't hurt it, and it'..."A little dirt won't hurt it, and it'll still be right there where it landed when you're done, okay?"<br /><br />Not if it's a spent round and there's a reloader roaming around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-10182530388101112952011-04-03T14:49:22.157-04:002011-04-03T14:49:22.157-04:00Just sayin they're guns. Dangerous no matter w...Just sayin they're guns. Dangerous no matter what you do with them. We try to minimize the danger but you can only do that so much.<br /><br />All three scenarios include a chance of setting a round off accidentally. <br /><br />I might suggest ejecting rounds into a range bag or other suitable soft surface so that you can reuse them.<br /><br />Or maybe using snap caps for malfunction drills.<br /><br />I just know that with the money this college student doesn't make i'd rather send my .65 cents a round down range rather then dump my money in the dirt.Tremainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05082851293732617816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-58577666364081817292011-04-03T13:30:07.122-04:002011-04-03T13:30:07.122-04:00Tremaine,
I'd rather have hot brass fragments...Tremaine,<br /><br />I'd rather have hot brass fragments pepper my jeans-covered leg from two or three feet away than have them pepper the palm of my hand from half an inch away.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-79141659392842485392011-04-03T01:14:03.271-04:002011-04-03T01:14:03.271-04:00I would be surprised by a single round detonating ...I would be surprised by a single round detonating from falling to the ground, as the bullet should hit first. I suppose if tumbling, the primer could impact. I would expect this to be a very rare occurrence.<br /><br />I did see a round go off inside a loose baggie of ammo dropped onto a glass countertop. At most a one foot drop. Brass shards hit the counter guy.Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722792638246578812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-42306961926830392502011-04-02T23:11:38.519-04:002011-04-02T23:11:38.519-04:00I've seen rounds go off hitting the ground exa...I've seen rounds go off hitting the ground exactly twice though. Once a .45 acp and the other a 12ga round. <br /><br />So I guess it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. Right?Tremainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05082851293732617816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-5958756194980559072011-04-02T08:22:53.026-04:002011-04-02T08:22:53.026-04:00Will,
"You're not supposed to stoop down...Will,<br /><br />"<i>You're not supposed to stoop down until holstered and cleared is called, but habits come into play...</i>"<br /><br />Like Pax said, nobody should stoop down to pick anything up until heaters are holstered and the line is called clear, period. That's a pretty basic safety rule.<br /><br />And yeah, I've left plenty of live rounds on the ground after malf drills. I came to class prepared to expend 1,000 rounds. I wasn't promised that all 1,000 would get expended by shooting them. ;)Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-57751263751885021732011-04-02T04:18:01.916-04:002011-04-02T04:18:01.916-04:00Tam,
I'm thinking that the rule should be that...Tam,<br />I'm thinking that the rule should be that any rounds picked up should go into a bag, and not used until after a lunch break, or similar. This to give you a chance to eyeball each round before it gets reused.<br />After the fiasco with the Blazer Brass, I think this would be smart. My friend had a pile of ammo at his feet by the end of each session. Lots and lots of bullet setback .45 ammo. His Govt would choke on it while attempting to chamber it, while my Officers would stuff it in anyway. He was into a second case when I finally got a look at the discarded ammo. I think my eyes bugged out then. He switched to regular Blazer for the rest of the class, and had no more problems. They have since told him there is nothing wrong with his ammo. I'm thinking they're full of shit. <br /> The additional problem caused by this crap was random vertical stringing on the targets, due to variable bullet setback causing power levels to fluctuate. Pretty much wasted the class. Thought the problem was my eyes/gun having trouble. Our test results were not good, due to it.Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722792638246578812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-66186356485690209232011-04-02T03:18:22.254-04:002011-04-02T03:18:22.254-04:00I was cowboy action shooting a few months ago. On...I was cowboy action shooting a few months ago. One stage required a single round rifle reload on the clock. I emptied my rifle, and with the lever open using my left hand on the stock to pin the rifle against my shoulder I dropped my right hand to my belt, grabbed a round and tossed it into the open chamber of the rifle. <br /><br />As I tried to close the lever while I simultaneously shifted my sight picture to my last target I discovered that the action would not close. Apparently the last empty round had not ejected out of the chamber before I tossed my reload in. <br /><br />While dropping my right had back towards my belt I sharply snapped rolled the rifle to the right, trying to toss the empty round and the reload out of the gun. Which worked perfectly. I saw both round and brass fly from my gun where they both just hung seemingly motionless in the air.<br /><br />In what seemed like slow motion I stopped lowering my hand towards my belt - and snatched both of them out of the air. As they hit my hand, the loaded round seemed to just seek my fingers, while the empty brass rolled down into my palm. I tossed the reload back into the chamber and let the empty drop from my hand as I slammed the lever closed - shifted my aim a few inches left and fired my last shot.<br /><br />I made my rifle safe, and stepped away from the firing line to be greeted by my 14 year old son who's first words to me were "Oh, sure - chew on me to never try and catch ejected rounds or brass." Then he lowered the timber of his voice put his hands on his hips and did his best Dad impression saying "Never try to catch anything coming out of your gun. Just let it fall." Then he stepped back near the other shooters and snickered at me while he listened to the RO and the counters discuss if what I had done constituted picking up a dropped round or not. <br /><br />I just want to know who taught my kid to be such a smarta$$.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-92175033943461964202011-04-02T02:26:16.295-04:002011-04-02T02:26:16.295-04:00Tam,
the problem generally occurs during malf dril...Tam,<br />the problem generally occurs during malf drills. You're not supposed to stoop down until holstered and cleared is called, but habits come into play, plus, it's the people still standing that have guns pointed more-or-less at your back. I think that's the major worry for them.<br /><br />A lot of rounds can pile up on the ground during a session of malf practice, and sometimes you can run short of ammo, especially with short, single stack-ers. I try to fill a pocket with loose rounds, but still...<br /><br />I think the primary concern there is someone picking up a .40 and mixing it with their .45 ammo. Seems that has caused a problem at least once.<br /><br />That much live ammo on hard packed dry ground would be a hazard, I think. Bad enough stepping on brass, at least it doesn't roll that much. And trying to rake it would require clearing the range for safety. More time lost. No totally good choices, it seems.Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722792638246578812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-1019784196011358912011-04-01T22:36:53.998-04:002011-04-01T22:36:53.998-04:00Just wanted to second Tango Juliet's post.
Al...Just wanted to second Tango Juliet's post.<br /><br />Also, I'm surprised to hear that some gun schools allow students to go to the ground while firearms are out. That's a no-no around here; at FAS, we call the line clear and *then* allow people to pick up anything they dropped. Much less likely to have people diving in front of other people's muzzles that way.paxhttp://www.corneredcat.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-54372100305622461412011-04-01T20:43:10.104-04:002011-04-01T20:43:10.104-04:00I'm glad Weer'd Beard spoke up, I thought ...I'm glad Weer'd Beard spoke up, I thought I was doing it wrong...rickn8orhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16911803300343351338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-73695363987732166082011-04-01T17:19:53.516-04:002011-04-01T17:19:53.516-04:00You're supposed to have a comely assistant cat...You're supposed to have a comely assistant catch the ejected round, how else is a Circus act gonna work?NotClauswitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14358707844087117280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-83726121172433035132011-04-01T15:42:03.376-04:002011-04-01T15:42:03.376-04:00Its a bad idea to cup a hand around the ejection p...Its a bad idea to cup a hand around the ejection port on those guns that have a history of detonating a briskly ejected live round. In fact, I think USPSA/NROI was considering making it a safety vio.Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05699652902909032781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-11602342331483329312011-04-01T14:52:12.465-04:002011-04-01T14:52:12.465-04:00As a rule I've found that if you drop the mag ...As a rule I've found that if you drop the mag and lock the slide back gently the live round will generally drop down the open mag well and onto thed bench.Weer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-24895743019738545872011-04-01T14:06:32.462-04:002011-04-01T14:06:32.462-04:00Heh. I am minded of what an acquaintance learned f...Heh. I am minded of what an acquaintance learned from a very old machinist, when he was a summer student at MSFC back in '67; If you drop that one-of-kind insanely expensive razor-sharp brittle milling cutter, do not try to catch it, just come to attention and take the hit on yer steel-toed shoes with steel instep shields.<br /><br />P.s. A coupla times, I usedta park the truck so that I could use the back of it, with the camper shell, for a brass catcher. My old almost-shot-out PD suffers from violent extraction and ejection. Somebody please buy me a new recoil spring for my birfday?<br /><br />WV: atilles. The hybrid of Achilles and Attila. When he's not killing, pillaging and raping, he's sulking in his tent, saying, "Why are they looking at my heel like that?Justthisguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17277333206171756636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-38411110040182042292011-04-01T13:47:00.661-04:002011-04-01T13:47:00.661-04:00Never try to catch a dropped gun, but if one is th...Never try to catch a dropped gun, but if one is thrown at you in anger, it's most likely empty. <br /><br />I've seen the movies, I know how this works. :)Ferretnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-2601465845057075672011-04-01T13:35:21.809-04:002011-04-01T13:35:21.809-04:00In tall grass, use the hat or cap you should be we...In tall grass, use the hat or cap you should be wearing to serve as a catch bucket for your round.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-63290565575903956082011-04-01T13:34:30.919-04:002011-04-01T13:34:30.919-04:00Teaching Home Firearm Safety these are points my t...Teaching Home Firearm Safety these are points my team makes under "Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction". If ppl are showing off they're almost always letting muzzle direction wander. Doesn't matter how long you've been doing it. I also tell folks that people like me watch for indicators like this. If you're safe; you'll always have people willing to shoot with you and share bad advice. If you're not... then not so much.Boyd Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09520276593686491417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-19213694630859101412011-04-01T13:28:58.916-04:002011-04-01T13:28:58.916-04:00I've often thought that it would, indeed, be c...I've often thought that it would, indeed, be cool as all hell to be nimble and coordinated enough to be able to eject a round and catch it in mid-air, whilst controlling the pistol with my other hand. <br />I go on thinking it will bending over to pick the live round up off the floor.Dranghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08082177597135236652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-54658436241626803082011-04-01T12:35:09.150-04:002011-04-01T12:35:09.150-04:00Will,
"This was to try to eliminate wanderin...Will,<br /><br />"<i>This was to try to eliminate wandering muzzles and putting torsos and heads into zones more likely to have ND's flying, while retrieving dropped rounds.</i>"<br /><br />Holster first, then pick up round. :)<br /><br />(Does Front Sight let people pick ammo up off the deck and use it? With a lot of instructors, that's a no-no...)Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-7291120420583568602011-04-01T12:21:20.490-04:002011-04-01T12:21:20.490-04:00I believe this is similar to what I do when I drop...I believe this is similar to what I do when I drop my straight razor while shaving.<br /><br />I jump back and move my feet out of the way too.<br /><br />Fun fact: This is why I wear pants when I shave. Actually I always wear them when I shoot, too. So far.Lazy Bike Commuterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06186544907063119814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-36451029131210481792011-04-01T12:20:14.082-04:002011-04-01T12:20:14.082-04:00When I was last at FrontSight, they were teaching ...When I was last at FrontSight, they were teaching the "cupping the ejection port while unloading" routine. This was to try to eliminate wandering muzzles and putting torsos and heads into zones more likely to have ND's flying, while retrieving dropped rounds. When I mentioned grenading rounds, they seemed to think that has never occurred. Not sure if the potential harm trade-off was a legal decision or what. Should be interesting when it happens. With the number of students they have, It's probably just a question of when, not if. My first class there had a total of 31 students (FS's FIRST four day class). Now it looks like a convention/gun show!Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722792638246578812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-4729045403201511232011-04-01T11:52:46.434-04:002011-04-01T11:52:46.434-04:00Any sort of debris is a potential hazard when mowi...Any sort of debris is a potential hazard when mowing the lawn, be it driveway gravel, cartridges or whatever. The blades are going to give that bullet more velocity than the unconfined powder exploding. I use the same eye and ear protection mowing that I do shooting, for the same reason.John Stephensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-1042773546137687572011-04-01T11:50:53.706-04:002011-04-01T11:50:53.706-04:00Tam,
I've heard that the 9mm 1911 versions are...Tam,<br />I've heard that the 9mm 1911 versions are prone to light off fumbled rounds due to the placement of the ejector relative to the primer. The only 9mm version I've seen was a Commanding Officers, which I regret not buying.Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722792638246578812noreply@blogger.com