tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post1747010640011426899..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: Dear news media:Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger156125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-65101507661531291732011-03-22T01:53:38.030-04:002011-03-22T01:53:38.030-04:00I totally condemn nuclear usage....I totally condemn nuclear usage....online Diplomahttp://www.sandfordhighschool.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-83685842332166618592011-03-21T01:17:33.147-04:002011-03-21T01:17:33.147-04:00Ever hear of the Downwinders? Jackass.
http://en.w...Ever hear of the Downwinders? Jackass.<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DownwindersScott Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01182221236977647362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-14139419567607151562011-03-19T11:49:49.299-04:002011-03-19T11:49:49.299-04:00Over $525 million dollars has been given out in co...Over $525 million dollars has been given out in compensation for people deemed to have caught cancer due to being in the fallout of the Nevada test site (that's $50,000 per person for over 10,000 people).<br /><br />This doesn't include children that d...ied from leukemia due to the fallout, or the compensation given to workers that worked at the sites. As far as I know, there haven't yet been any reports of superpowers.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_National_Security_Site#Cancer_and_test_site<br /><br />I don't see a lot of news journalists complaining about the possibility of mutant Godzilla coming up from the seas. I see worries about worker safety and safety of Japanese people though, which doesn't seem so bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-6843461107258292162011-03-18T16:24:39.871-04:002011-03-18T16:24:39.871-04:00"Big girl's blouse" is a British exp..."Big girl's blouse" is a British expression, generally indicating "wimp."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-36632248942764048132011-03-18T15:04:01.250-04:002011-03-18T15:04:01.250-04:00Tam said...
Who the hell are you even talking to?
...<i>Tam said...<br />Who the hell are you even talking to?</i><br /><br />He is attempting to be a "concern troll". He is concerned that we cousin humping redneck retards aren't advocating conservative issues correctly ... you betcha! He is being a kind and caring lefty super-genius by showing us how to be really smart cousin humping redneck retards.<br /><br /><br />It doesn't work very well when we just point and giggle at his attempt to imitate a person using reason.Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-29816624715494873792011-03-18T14:57:36.005-04:002011-03-18T14:57:36.005-04:00Hi folks: Japan hand here - I've lived there a...Hi folks: Japan hand here - I've lived there and have both friends and family right in the middle of this one. As an aside, I was there for the Hanshin quake in '95, so I know exactly what things are like. May I suggest that you pay zero attention to ANYTHING that the US media is putting out, regardless of source. Read the Japanese media. I regret that their English pages are not being updated as rapidly as their Japanese-language pages. But that is where you will get a LOT more info on the actual situation. To wit: So far, there have been minor breachings of the containing vessels at Number 3 and Number 1. The outer buildings are heavily damaged but as other commenters have already noted, those are irrelevant. Currently, Japn media are reporting that power has been partially restored, water is being pumped into the reactors and the temperatures are dropping. As for the hysterics over the plants here in the US, it took a Richter-9 earthquake followed by an un-godly tsunami to knock out the cooling, electrical and all backup systems in Fukushima, which is the real culprit for the problems. As for any comparisons to Chernobyl, anyone who makes them is obviously ignorant of basic nuclear design as well as standard constructions techniques and the vast difference between the designs used in the West and those used in the old Soviet world. Fukushima was designed to meet a standard that the disasters utterly eclipsed. Yet with everything that has gone wrong, we are still seeing only a Three- Mile Island-type situation, albeit slightly more severe. No one has died or even been seriously injured from radiation so far. Those who can read Japanese, please feel free to verify - the major Japanese news sources have this as their number one story.がんこもんhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06311940933349299959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-77057943062025341232011-03-18T13:15:16.483-04:002011-03-18T13:15:16.483-04:00AT,
As best I can make out, this isn't a righ...AT,<br /><br />As best I can make out, this isn't a right- or left-wing issue because the pro-nuke leftists (which must be as numerous as Jewish Al-Qaeda members) are all funded by GE and are conspiring to cause a pro-nuke slant in the media. Or something. It got a little ramble-y there towards the end...Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-63006693860663384982011-03-18T13:11:00.912-04:002011-03-18T13:11:00.912-04:00"...you will never visit Chernobyl in your li..."...you will never visit Chernobyl in your lifetimes or the lifetimes of your grandchildren for that matter."<br /><br />That would be news to the Ukrainians who are running guided tourist tours in the dead zone, including approaching the dead reactor closely enough to make a geiger counter sing imprssively.<br /><br />It would also be news to the few aged prasants who have quietly returned to their homes and are eking out a living with susitance farming. (Unfortunately, some of their cesium-laced produce is said to turn up from time to time in Kiev markets.)<br /><br />Would I be willing to live there? Sure, I'm an old man and will die from something else long before the radioactivity would get me. I wouldn't want my grandchildren messing around there though.<br /><br />The point is that, although Chenobyl was a horrible event, the world hasn't ended because of it.Zognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-71476529893932086122011-03-18T12:56:52.144-04:002011-03-18T12:56:52.144-04:00Only truthy nugget I could find from the GOP/adult...Only truthy nugget I could find from the GOP/adult/poseur's ramblings above is this:<br /><br />"...left wingers have prevented approval for newer reactor designs..."<br /><br />Same folks screaming now about the need to shut down the old one; it's almost like a plan or something...<br /><br />But those old reactors held up just fine, and as I've repeated ad nauseum since Day Two it appears that the only design flaw, if you can call it that, was an inability to keep water pumping through them...ironically because too much water rolled over them.<br /><br />Pointless to debate, though...illogic based on fear and feelings is a far more powerful force than logic based on fact.<br /><br />Oh, and Jesus Christ, Nony, I thought I was wordy...<br /><br />ATAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-44202368373614492152011-03-18T12:20:32.229-04:002011-03-18T12:20:32.229-04:00Who the hell are you even talking to?Who the hell are you even talking to?Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-76554506992437480492011-03-18T12:19:09.165-04:002011-03-18T12:19:09.165-04:00Example: Here is a brand new Reuters article. Note...Example: Here is a brand new Reuters article. Note that they refuse to explain to readers why Reactor #3 is "the most critical":<br /><br />http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/18/us-japan-quake-idUSTRE72A0SS20110318<br /><br />Why didn't they explain that Reactor #3 is "the most critical" because it has plutonium-laced MOX fuel rods?<br /><br />It would have taken less than one sentence to say this.<br /><br />But they didn't because Reuters:<br /><br />1) Didn't want to panic people more than they feel they have to.<br /><br />2) General Electric or others told Reuters to keep quiet about the plutonium (or play it down by leaving it out of most reports).<br /><br />Considering that anyone following this incident knows very well that Reactor 3 is the priority because of the plutonium fuel, one has to conclude that the media is playing down the crisis, not building it up.<br /><br />Those who hate the liberal media for lying so much should, therefore, be saying the opposite of what this particular blog post is trying to say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-1296458137497638982011-03-18T12:12:09.765-04:002011-03-18T12:12:09.765-04:00I fully sympathize with the idea that anything the...I fully sympathize with the idea that anything the left wing media (including Fox News) says, must be opposed with a contrarian viewpoint.<br /><br />I get that.<br /><br />But a stopped clock is correct twice per day.<br /><br />One needs to be careful, therefore, about going contrarian when they get things accidentally right. But I'm seeing the MSM actually downplaying this nuke incident.<br /><br />Doesn't GE own NBC? I remember seeing an article on MSNBC today where they failed to say that Fukushima #3 used MOX (Plutonium) fuel (Chernobyl used Uranium Oxide fuel).<br /><br />A hater of the the liberal media (no parentheses because they are liberals) would just as quickly point out that there is a media coverup going on here.<br /><br />Most of the right wing blogs are saying that the media is not hyping this issue enough but, rather, watching the back of the nuclear industry (which is in bed with the "Green Movement" that doesn't want fossil fuels burned that would release carbon dioxide into the atmosphere).<br /><br />There really are liberals so stupid that they worry their heads off about "Global Warming" due to carbon dioxide emissions that they are willing to risk PLUTONIUM and Cesium 137 emissions instead.<br /><br />I say let's burn coal and release carbon dioxide and tell the liberals to go to hell.<br /><br />Look at who's funding the websites that are defending Fukushima's owners. <br /><br />Conservatives have no dog in the fight here, unless they live downwind from one of these government subsidized monstrosities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-37467253081583084632011-03-18T11:53:12.650-04:002011-03-18T11:53:12.650-04:00Great advice for the pro-nuclear crowd:
1) Get pa...Great advice for the pro-nuclear crowd:<br /><br />1) Get paid for your support at least. Since there is no political principle at stake here, there's no use in wasting your time arguing online in support of an industry you have no stake in, especially by apologizing on behalf of the owners of Fukushima who aren't bothering to argue for themselves.<br /><br />2) Don't think for a second that conservative (political) principles are at stake here. There are none (that can be defined as right or left in any case) except for the idea that liberals are responsible for keeping the old poorly-designed reactors online because they block new construction.<br /><br />3) It's OK to be in favor of PRISMs or advanced reactor designs while saying that liberals kept the old, dangerous design of reactors online because of their refusal to approve new technology construction.<br /><br />In fact, #3 is the best advice that an informed proponent of nuclear energy will go with now.<br /><br />It will only hurt the cause of nuclear energy to pretend that the Tokyo Electric was responsible here or that the Tsunami walls were sufficient for an expected tsunami. Ditto for claiming Chernobyl wasn't so bad.<br /><br />These are non-arguments that not even Tokyo Electric or GE would dare make (or ask lobbyists to make).<br /><br />Smart people know that new designs for nuclear reactors might be OK.<br /><br />Conservatives should refuse to subsidize nuclear energy with their tax money. Let Wall Street pay for it if they think the pros outweigh the liabilities (Wall Street - the free market - believes the liabilities outweigh the advantages).<br /><br />And, honestly, lobbyists for GE know their company would profit if the 23 old GE reactors in the US are shut down and replaced with new GE reactors.<br /><br />So the "pro-nuke crowd" (who belong to both US political parties) shouldn't assume that GE would be disappointed if leaking plants like Vermont Yankee and Indian Point were shut down for needed technology upgrades.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-49652541586860339042011-03-18T11:32:16.560-04:002011-03-18T11:32:16.560-04:00"Tsunamis are expected parts of quakes"
...<i>"Tsunamis are expected parts of quakes"</i><br /><br />And tsunamis <i>were</i> planned for in the design - the entire plant was protected by a sea wall, but the tsunami topped it.Jake (formerly Riposte3)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02976718318892210404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-33545370604709554042011-03-18T11:20:51.357-04:002011-03-18T11:20:51.357-04:00http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/t...http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,10784.0.html<br /><br />Perhaps a few facts would be welcome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-86609008663880497742011-03-18T11:02:08.821-04:002011-03-18T11:02:08.821-04:00Since Tsunamis would always follow quakes this siz...Since Tsunamis would always follow quakes this size off the coast, it isn't an argument that the plants were designed for and withstood the quake. Tsunamis are expected parts of quakes, especially since the big Quake = Tsunami of Christmas 2004.<br /><br />I already noted above that this "the tsunami was unexpected" argument is probably the weakest argument that the left wing climate change websites are pushing in their pro-nuclear campaign.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-18541787291797022452011-03-18T10:51:33.629-04:002011-03-18T10:51:33.629-04:00@ Marja:
But the plants were designed to survive ...@ Marja:<br /><br />But the plants <i>were</i> designed to survive a quake this big. And they did exactly what they were designed to do - backup generators kicked in to maintain cooling as the reactors went into emergency shutdown. <br /><br />What they <i>weren't</i> able to cope with was the subsequent tsunami, which washed out the emergency power generators and thus the cooling pumps. So it was the double natural disaster which was not incorporated into planning and design. Although even that is not entirely correct - there apparently was a 20' seawall. So both earthquakes and tsunamis were planned for in the plant design: just not <i>both together</i>, or at least not of this severity. <br /><br />I have read that there was significant subsidence due to the earthquake, and portions of the coast are in fact now below sea level. Had the land the nuclear plant sits on not dropped several feet as a result of the quake, it's very possible that the tsunami would have been held back by the seawall. <br /><br />In any case, to quote "Chaos Manor": <br /><br />Radiation is coming! To America! Radiation! From Japan!<br /><br />Radiation could reach us tomorrow! Running about aimlessly squawking like a chicken is the only known remedy.Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-80959247563922671942011-03-18T10:36:57.779-04:002011-03-18T10:36:57.779-04:00For the definitive resource on all things that glo...For the definitive resource on all things that glow (or go big bada-boom) I use Department of the Army Pamphlet 50-3 'The Effects of Nuclear Weapons' dated March 1977, use table 12.108, this describes the summary of clinical effects of acute ionizing radiation doses.Mudpuppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04298114331381084244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-83712931491258022762011-03-18T10:34:08.491-04:002011-03-18T10:34:08.491-04:00Well the fallout from our above ground test didn&#...Well the fallout from our above ground test didn't kill every one east on the blast or produce six legged rats but, maybe it explains the liberal whacked out mindset.kenlowderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13176720736897652878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-12515495056223554522011-03-18T10:26:09.876-04:002011-03-18T10:26:09.876-04:00Lots of douchery in here. Where did it come from? ...Lots of douchery in here. Where did it come from? Please troll home.VanderDouchenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14111284190870369840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-75359583897065718472011-03-18T10:22:29.986-04:002011-03-18T10:22:29.986-04:00What's ironic here is that Tam saw that some l...What's ironic here is that Tam saw that some left wing websites like Better Climate, that favor nuclear energy over the burning of fossil fuels, were slamming the media (dishonestly claiming the media was a "bunch of liberals" on this issue - they are a bunch of liberals normally - while not even bothering to hide the fact that they themselves were major proponents of the Man-Made Global Warming Theory).<br /><br />Tam then mistakenly assumed that, because some anti-fossil-fuel organizations tactically slammed the MSM for being "liberal" on this issue, he or she should take the "bait" and run with the issue as if the position was tailor made for conservatives to champion.<br /><br />This is, at best, a liberal vs liberal issue.<br /><br />Let the Democratic Party tear itself debating this while smart conservatives simply vote no on the extension of the old Mark I reactors' leases to use the land near their real estate.<br /><br />Approval of any new technology reactors should come with the local residents being shareholders in the profits (to offset falling property values).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-67773371635259471162011-03-18T10:03:35.375-04:002011-03-18T10:03:35.375-04:00Exactly my thoughts!Exactly my thoughts!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-56581479627562453672011-03-18T10:01:12.997-04:002011-03-18T10:01:12.997-04:00Tam:
No reason to go ad hominem on someone you do...Tam:<br /><br />No reason to go ad hominem on someone you don't know in favor of an industry that you are not a shareholder of that you would not allow within 50 miles of real estate that you own.<br /><br />If the Tokyo area ends up with measurable permanent coating of CS-137 or, worse, Plutonium, this will be considered to be worse than Chernobyl by the JAPANESE (because Chernobyl didn't coat the Tokyo area with Cs-137).<br /><br />So you're damned right its comparable if that happens.<br /><br />You better not be a Republican in the US.<br /><br />We Republicans don't need loudmouthed supporters of government subsidized industries.<br /><br />This is NOT a right vs left issue.<br /><br />Only a fool would want the continued operation of poorly designed reactors from the 1970s.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-25955150381919532972011-03-18T09:49:02.591-04:002011-03-18T09:49:02.591-04:00Anon 9:18-30,
tl;dr version: You're an idiot....Anon 9:18-30,<br /><br />tl;dr version: You're an idiot.<br /><br />Also, I'm failing to see the connection between Chernobyl and this.<br /><br />I mean, sure, they're both nuclear reactors, in much the same way that a Wankel and a diesel are both internal combustion engines...<br /><br />Lastly, I'm not your "fellow Republican" go wash your mouth out with soap, Dittohead.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-75422567222209951722011-03-18T09:47:27.190-04:002011-03-18T09:47:27.190-04:00Anyone who downplays Chernobyl seriously needs to ...Anyone who downplays Chernobyl seriously needs to go camping in the exclusion zone this summer or at least celebrate the 25th anniversary on the last Saturday in April (the day the weather got warm that year) with a swim, a jog and a BBQ with locally picked wild mushrooms in any part of over a million square kilometers, mostly in the south of White Russia. It is only because the former Soviet Union is huge that this did not destroy any one country. <br /><br />If Cesium-137 or a sprinkling of Plutonium isotopes cover Japan like it did southern Belorus, smart Japanese will simply expatriate and live the rest of their lives elsewhere.<br /><br />It's a quality of life issue.<br /><br />Smart people won't wait or even have any tolerance for the type of redneck who would say "but there's no scientific evidence that Cs-137 in your vegetables will give you cancer".<br /><br />These rednecks would damage the GOP in the US like the total morons who let Bill Clinton get two terms because they protected the tobacco industry saying that smoke didn't cause cancer (this issue never was a right vs left issue because, if cigs were invented tomorrow instead of 400 years ago, no conservative would approve the product, meaning the GOP politicians were just taking money from the tobacco lobby and putting a spin on the issue to let idiot plebes think "conservatives" support the right of companies to sell dangerous products).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com