tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post2080253506856590864..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: Embarrassing confession:Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-1878131428215784932014-08-26T02:36:45.967-04:002014-08-26T02:36:45.967-04:00As I noted on the book of face, WA state firearms ...As I noted on the book of face, WA state firearms lobbyist Col Joe Waldron, USMC (RET), once said of libertarians that they tend to be "people who can argue obscure points of political philosophy for hours, but have to wear velcro shoes."<br />Internet libertarians, as Tam notes, tend to be excellent examples of this.<br />I think part of the problem is that the range of what people recognize as "libertarian" is so wide, running from small government Republicans, through Tea Partiers, and on to some folks who are best described as anarchists.<br />Remember when libertarians were all a out legalizing pot, and we wondered when they wee going to discover the Second Amendment? Now they're strapping on an M249 SAW and wandering through the local shopping mall...Dranghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08082177597135236652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-26951213782142501902014-08-26T01:57:00.744-04:002014-08-26T01:57:00.744-04:00Paul, this is why the gubmint goes after the Mob s...Paul, this is why the gubmint goes after the Mob so strongly - they hate competition.....JohninMd.(HELP?!??)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-55052418982058399382014-08-25T20:32:31.440-04:002014-08-25T20:32:31.440-04:00Open immigration works everywhere the cost of an a...Open immigration works everywhere the cost of an additional person is on average lower than their contribution, which is everywhere that doesn't already have a crumbling economy.Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-40687803387505635192014-08-25T18:53:50.338-04:002014-08-25T18:53:50.338-04:00Tam;
I guess I just made an ass out of Uma Thurma...Tam;<br /><br />I guess I just made an ass out of Uma Thurman or something... <br /><br />:) Gooberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07358115439453465833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-19009563637084389482014-08-25T16:21:35.425-04:002014-08-25T16:21:35.425-04:00There is a libertarian philosophy, which I think h...There is a libertarian philosophy, which I think helps guid the decision making process. Then there are Philosophers who love to talk about Libertarian Philosophy. <br /><br />I'm a libertarian in principle - perhaps even an anarchist. In practice... not even close. I think we should lock up the borders (very not libertarian) but for very practical reasons - open borders only work in a free market economy - which we DON'T have. So if you want to accomplish anything - you remember the principles and deal with reality. <br /><br />Fortunately (or not depending on your point of view) I think most libertarians are too busy with reality to know their libertarians. The ones that aren't can be... what was term Tam? oh yeah, frustratingly obtuse. <br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00391535113209714025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-54036808958933721992014-08-25T16:14:01.868-04:002014-08-25T16:14:01.868-04:00Sadly, too many internet Libertarian purist tend t...Sadly, too many internet Libertarian purist tend to think that the Law of the USA is subject to private interpretation. Joe in PNGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-75683340519412728282014-08-25T16:03:59.020-04:002014-08-25T16:03:59.020-04:00Yes, the Constitution does say that.
As opposed t...Yes, the Constitution does say that.<br /><br />As opposed to "All you Libertarians/Republicans/Democrats/people who didn't put my election signs in your yards, you're fired" every 2-4 years. <br /><br />That makes for greater justice, doesn't it?<br /><br />The thing that generally keeps people from being bounced is that they please and advance the careers of those above them in the employment decision chain. <br /><br />At least in theory in private employment, that means that at some point the company's bottom line gives the bouncers a reason to keep the good employees, and to create some system in which employees know what keeps them working and what doesn't. Due process, at least by tradition and bananas/monkeys/stairs/hose culture.<br /><br />The incentives in government are very different. Actual bottom line performance is often unknowable or indefinable. Tyranny and empire building have little cost to managers. <br /><br />And because we want our masters to at least seem to be predictable, we need due process.<br /><br />People generally do. When people are rejected, they always want to know why and "I fired you because I fired you" allows lots of room, not only for the tyrant or empire builder but for the corrupt.<br /><br />There's a reason Civil Service was adopted and grew.<br /><br />(As the moderns say, full disclosure- I'm a government employee, but an at will one so no due process required for me.staghoundshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05976667812875074135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-32676573897049169112014-08-25T14:59:06.088-04:002014-08-25T14:59:06.088-04:00then there's the other part of that issue, in ...then there's the other part of that issue, in that many people don't seem to understand that bad laws, and stupid laws, are not necessarily unconstitutional laws... and conversely constitutional laws are not necessarily good or smart. AnarchAngelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06447178964096399015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-43561930531137682952014-08-25T14:56:32.810-04:002014-08-25T14:56:32.810-04:00Tam said...
Oh, if I had to hang a label on my...<i>Tam said...<br /> Oh, if I had to hang a label on myself, "libertarian" would fit as well as any of a handful of others.</i><br /><br />Yeah, I have a handful of labels, too, many of which aren't printable on a family blog.<br /><br />But....does your statement mean that you are a libertarian, at least part-time, or that you subscribe to libertarian principles? I see a difference between "membership" and "support," but I may be dealing with just a matter of semantics on this. Aliennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-14003529354185473252014-08-25T14:56:00.028-04:002014-08-25T14:56:00.028-04:00Tam, I must have been to obtuse. Bounced on your ...Tam, I must have been to obtuse. Bounced on your butt referred to life in the private sector. <br /><br />I only have worked 1 year for the government and that was as a contractor. Union guys got hired to sit around and let the contractors do things.<br /><br />What I have seen of government employees is not pretty. they make the mafia look like pikers. Once you are in the fraternity, nothing short of dynamite can get you out.<br /><br />The rest of us live from day to day waiting for the door to slam.<br /><br /><br />Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15708868713277676628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-39716261541392370012014-08-25T14:24:04.271-04:002014-08-25T14:24:04.271-04:00Goober,
"I'm a little disappointed by th...Goober,<br /><br />"<i>I'm a little disappointed by the quickness with which we've all decided that that cop...</i>"<br /><br />What cop? The thread in question wasn't even about Ferguson.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-62779790639352063242014-08-25T14:14:49.770-04:002014-08-25T14:14:49.770-04:00I'm a little disappointed by the quickness wit...I'm a little disappointed by the quickness with which we've all decided that that cop did something wrong and NEEDS to be fired. <br /><br />There are a lot of cops in Ferguson, it seems, that need firing, but the one that fired those shots and started this whole mess may or may not be one of them, and NONE of us have the information available to us to make that call yet. <br />Gooberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07358115439453465833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-6533070240612008072014-08-25T13:15:20.425-04:002014-08-25T13:15:20.425-04:00"The government can't fire you without du..."The government can't fire you without due process either, Paul."<br /><br />Isn't that what he said?Rick Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-33556727031040742322014-08-25T13:04:54.701-04:002014-08-25T13:04:54.701-04:00I believe that the SCOTUS statement was something ...I believe that the SCOTUS statement was something like: "An individuals Constitutional rights do not cease to exist merely because he or she draws a government paycheck."Divemedichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14583007051962299381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-39833292269513166322014-08-25T13:00:29.322-04:002014-08-25T13:00:29.322-04:00That's one way to fix unemployment.
AlThat's one way to fix unemployment.<br /><br />AlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-38724990690861185242014-08-25T12:41:59.460-04:002014-08-25T12:41:59.460-04:00Yep. I was very *surprised* when I learned this, a...Yep. I was very *surprised* when I learned this, and I still hate it (especially when combined with a union negotiation's definition of "due process"), but it's the law.<br /><br />At this point it's just a good justification for having the government employ fewer people :PYrrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05533533699684806728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-69554073546343990342014-08-25T12:41:22.647-04:002014-08-25T12:41:22.647-04:00And that is why I left the Libertarian Party.
Too...And that is why I left the Libertarian Party.<br /><br />Too wrapped up in libertopia to realize that you have to play the damned ball where it lays if you want to get anything accomplished.Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-86315519712008147182014-08-25T12:09:46.381-04:002014-08-25T12:09:46.381-04:00"This is how it should be."
"Yeah,..."This is how it should be."<br /><br />"Yeah, well it isn't. What are you, dense? End of conversation."<br /><br />OK then.<br /><br />I've had many such conversations. -- LyleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-87127618210081756902014-08-25T11:59:03.830-04:002014-08-25T11:59:03.830-04:00"Can anyone say privileged status?"
The..."<i>Can anyone say privileged status?</i>"<br /><br />The government can't fire you without due process either, Paul.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-20711360171181646172014-08-25T11:56:12.119-04:002014-08-25T11:56:12.119-04:00Due process for government employees while everyon...Due process for government employees while everyone else can get bounced on their butt for smiling wrong.<br /><br />Can anyone say privileged status?<br />Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15708868713277676628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-47334474224926555102014-08-25T11:47:20.412-04:002014-08-25T11:47:20.412-04:00Oh, if I had to hang a label on myself, "libe...Oh, if I had to hang a label on myself, "libertarian" would fit as well as any of a handful of others.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-22571742768622483252014-08-25T11:45:21.571-04:002014-08-25T11:45:21.571-04:00Lefties, Libertarians, their paths intertwine rand...Lefties, Libertarians, their paths intertwine randomly, but one constant is the skies in their worlds are so rarely blue. Aliennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-50925772057956333332014-08-25T11:38:02.711-04:002014-08-25T11:38:02.711-04:00That's not how it is in an L. Neil Smith book!...That's not how it is in an L. Neil Smith book!<br /><br />Shootin' BuddyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com