tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post2385375466515874148..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: Everything old is new again...Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger103125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-37656000468786705582010-06-26T05:50:50.080-04:002010-06-26T05:50:50.080-04:00"Actually crossing the border and attacking A..."Actually crossing the border and attacking American LEO's would be an act of War."<br /><br />Not really, unless the Mexican killers were acting for the Mexican government. <br /><br />I'm sorry, I have to use the argument based on the Edmund Burke adage "All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing." The Mexican Government far from doing nothing is demanding we open the border and allow their riffraff unhindered access.<br /><br />They must do the same, I'll take a small team to Mexico City, wack the entire government, -Say "Kenyon Doe"- and close those borders and demand repatriation of mexican citizens for lauding or repogromming as indicated.<br /><br />Sort of a Mexican "Boondock Saints"John Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04875185117306503147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-32198867079906153332010-06-24T07:41:28.565-04:002010-06-24T07:41:28.565-04:00Shootin' Buddy,
"Ahhh, an educated Texan...Shootin' Buddy,<br /><br />"<i>Ahhh, an educated Texan.</i>"<br /><br />Educated Texans are obviously far more common than Hoosiers with any breeding.<br /><br />You, sir, have the manners of a goat.<br /><br />Very cordially,<br />-T.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-59784987055631732052010-06-24T00:20:03.459-04:002010-06-24T00:20:03.459-04:00Actually, I heard on Fox this afternoon that 8 Sen...Actually, I heard on Fox this afternoon that 8 Senators have sent a formal letter to BHO telling him it would not be in his best interest to issue an Executive Order granting Blanket Amnesty to 10-15 MILLION Illegal Aliens in case his "Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill" doesn't make it through Congress. But since BHO is BHO...Bubblehead Les.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00730873284089958084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-72276301834851555822010-06-24T00:14:20.660-04:002010-06-24T00:14:20.660-04:00I'm just posting this so the count can be push...I'm just posting this so the count can be pushed over 100.Bubblehead Les.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00730873284089958084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-76472057143983200622010-06-24T00:12:40.041-04:002010-06-24T00:12:40.041-04:00Joel said:
"But I really can't. I've...Joel said:<br /><br />"But I really can't. I've met a lot of guys who don't speak any english, and I suspect that in most cases their immigration status was a bit hinky. But you know, I've got legal issues of my own and wouldn't take kindly to people turning me in to the federales. And every one of those guys did a good job for little pay, and never gave me a bit of grief. I just can't work myself up to having anything against them. The ones I meet are honest people in a bad situation, and that's all they are.<br /><br />Of course they're not the ones shooting up sheriff's deputies. The drug runners are doing that, and there's no reason to put up with it. Now, I'd have to be one of those crazy anarchist types to suggest that there might be a pretty simple way to make all those guys stay home - like legalize their product and put them out of business - but that would be crazy talk. That way lies mass hysteria."<br /><br />Lemme guess (re: "legal issues of my own"): you're subsidizing the narcotraficantes ammo budget?<br /><br />Part of the solution, part of the problem, or part of the scenery..... I'd also hazard a guess I know where you stand.... <br /><br />p.s.- In my limited experience, the scenery takes more of a beating in a war (Civil or otherwise) than the combatants.... just something to think about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-88734405795249655512010-06-23T23:39:11.443-04:002010-06-23T23:39:11.443-04:00Best wishes, Sir. ATBest wishes, Sir. ATAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-66711442815497219542010-06-23T23:16:11.271-04:002010-06-23T23:16:11.271-04:00'Entertainment services rendered'
Cheec...'Entertainment services rendered'<br /> Cheech-and-Chong stoner ramblings, ill-tempered ranting, and foul-mouthed<br /> abuse. <br /> <br /> 'Entertainment'. Good grief. <br /><br /> And this used to be such a classy place. <br /> <br /> Tam, thank you for letting me join in here. It's been fun. <br /><br /> Goodbye. xMr.Wolfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-6992760456406885202010-06-23T21:10:00.355-04:002010-06-23T21:10:00.355-04:00I'd like to propose that, in honor of this pos...I'd like to propose that, in honor of this post attaining the magic number of comments, four others join me in kicking in a twenty to Tam's jar for entertainment services rendered? I mean, Shootin' Buddy's lines alone are worth that. <br /><br />This should be comment number 96. With my twenty, if the next four kick in their twenty, Tam's takes home a C-note as the comments hit 100. Incoming, Tam.<br /><br />ATAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-4904547081974757752010-06-23T21:02:54.302-04:002010-06-23T21:02:54.302-04:00"We shut down all immigration for 20 years. W..."We shut down all immigration for 20 years. We did it from the late 1920's to the late 1940's, and it gave us the "Greatest Generation"."<br /><br />I had not made that connection, but it is exactly right. History we can learn from, and absolutely should repeat. Like Tam said, "Everything that's old is new again..."<br /><br />I'm not sure about the rest of your plan, Ed, and your attitude towards pot needs serious reflection, but I am totally in agreement with you on this part.<br /><br />ATAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-18599016968429321442010-06-23T20:05:52.471-04:002010-06-23T20:05:52.471-04:00How's this: We offer a Blue Card to anybody wo...How's this: We offer a Blue Card to anybody working who can prove he's not a crook. The Blue Card (Guest Worker) is not a ticket to citizenship.<br /><br /> We shut down all immigration for 20 years. We did it from the late 1920's to the late 1940's, and it gave us the "Greatest Generation". <br /><br /> Think about it. If you were 5 when you got off the boat from Germany or Swaziland in 1925, you would have grown up in a dying immigrant ghetto, with no new arrivals taking the place of those lost to assimilation.<br /><br /> And, you would have thought of your family's ethnicity as something old fashioned, as all those speaking the language and walking the old country walk became old and boring and cliche.<br /><br /> Guest workers pay Social Security, as does their boss. I believe it runs about 7.5% from each of them.<br /><br /> But guest workers don't get to collect Social Security. They get back the money they paid in, plus 2% interest, when they surrender their Blue Card at the American Embassy or Consulate nearest their home back where they came from. <br /><br /> The remaining 7.5% goes into the general fund.<br /><br /> With Blue Cards, carrying finger and retinal prints, they could travel back and forth freely to visit, come and go as the work appeared or went away. They wouldn't be trapped here, sucking up resources when times are bad.<br /><br /> Those who don't apply for Blue Cards get thrown in tent camps along the border for a year, building fences and planting non- fatal landmines filled with puke gas and long lasting dye.<br /><br /> We finance the entire program through sales of the confiscated property of uncarded aliens. Hell, the biggest Mexican restaurant in Madison Wisconsin is owned by people who are openly illegal and feel no need to hide it. Even the poorest of them usually have a car, clothes, and a TV.<br /><br /> Offer a $1,000 reward to anybody who turns in an illegal. Even if the person doing the fink job is a returning illegal himself.<br /><br /> Tell Paco or Li Chang or Boris that as soon as the people on his list are deported, all he has to do is visit the nearest American facility with the secret number given him, and his money will be waiting for him.<br /><br /> You'd have people sneaking into the U.S. just to find countrymen here they could rat out for the bucks. The entire system would fall apart in weeks.Ed Fosternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-64097225070851272702010-06-23T18:31:15.409-04:002010-06-23T18:31:15.409-04:00Lyle, The brush was pretty broad with this:"A...Lyle, The brush was pretty broad with this:"And you know chances are about 86.37% that the seized pot is going to be consumed and/or sold by the police, right? -- Lyle"<br /><br />I accept that there is <i>some</i> corruption. I doubt it is as bad as you intimate.<br /><br />Shootin' Buddy: You are dead wrong on this one, but not for the reasons some are arguing. <br /><br />Prohibition is a failure. No argument there. The War on (Some) Drugs surely pads some bank accounts with illicit profits (especially in Mexico). (Lyle, I again concede the point and argue the extent). But, has anybody ever considered that one of the reasons people hire "illegals" off-books and for cash relates not to "jobs Americans won't do" but rather to "Jobs Americans are forbidden to do for that little money" - AKA Minimum Wage? I wonder what the real unemployment figure would look like if the market was unconstrained by artificial wage floors and enforcement of I-9 provisions were total?<br /><br />Business likes illegal labor because it allows them to compete with offshore entities. Organized labor likes the minimum wage because they get to skim a percentage of it for dues. Politicians like both because they get a piece of the wages in campaign contributions, and they get to get a fresh round of voters every decade or so with amnesty scams. <br /><br />The American citizen gets fleeced...but we never mattered to the politicians anyway. Unless, that is, we are dependent upon them for our lives, health care, food, and housing (and vote to continue the above subsidies). <br /><br />The real reason you are wrong, SB, is this. We are supposed to be a nation of laws. If we are, then the government has a duty to seal the border and enforce the immigration rules. If we are not, then it is every man for himself, and the one with the most bought-and-paid-for politicians wins. Kind of like now. <br /><br />I prefer the rule of law, personally.Newbiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501998014769060130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-8861921980520522202010-06-23T18:12:47.842-04:002010-06-23T18:12:47.842-04:00Given that the *entire* substance of his argument ...Given that the *entire* substance of his argument has been repeating "border states created the whole problem and should stop whining and deal with the whole problem" spiced with variants of "people to the south and west of me are stupid, ha!", I think we can probably stop feeding the troll at this point...LabRathttp://www.atomicnerds.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-39486417391910665832010-06-23T17:49:54.947-04:002010-06-23T17:49:54.947-04:00Border states? Demand for cheap labor? The Gulf?...Border states? Demand for cheap labor? The Gulf? (Do we speak of the Deepwater Horizon?) Shootin' Buddy, I gots nothin' but respect for Tam, and since Tam seems to like you, you've gotten a provisional pass . . . but dang, man, just dang.<br /><br />Yeah, us border staters are just sitting here chortling over how much we love cheap labor, cheap imported illegal labor. He he, I know, we'll just import cheap labor so all our working class friends ain't got no work. Skip a step, and the next step: we rule the world!<br /><br />Ever hear the magic phrase "US Chamber of Commerce," Shootin' Buddy? A quick Wiki check reveals that---to my unmitigated shock and awe---it's based in Washington, District of Suckage. I thought FOR SURE it would be here in Texas, or maybe one of those other, lesser, border states.<br /><br />As for the Gulf (referencing Deepwater Horizon), I'm sure that was all cooked up by the (evil and conspiratorial) governors of Texas and Louisiana, without any input or bags of cash changing hands in Washington, DC.<br /><br />Come on, man! I'm starting to think you're one of Tam's alter egos, expressing her (apparently righteously justified) disdain at abandoning the South for the land o' ethanol and windmills.<br /><br />I can handle your vigorous defense of the Yankee Invasion, I can deal with your disdain for people who, you know, still believe in liberty ("Wookies up!"), but you've got to be dealing with some cognitive dissonance here. All my life "federalism" has meant "the feds run the show" and not "happy little laboratories."<br /><br />Oh well, if we all vote GOP in 2012, everything will be better! Hope! Change!Lewisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-15546781432613397572010-06-23T17:39:04.374-04:002010-06-23T17:39:04.374-04:00"That is a problem that the border states cre..."That is a problem that the border states created in their demand for cheap labor and a pack the border states have to carry in cleaning up your mess. As in the Gulf, the fight should not be a national fight."<br /><br /> Shooting Buddy, you are so wrong that words fail me.<br /> Before my marriage I practically commuted between Phoenix and Nashville. The SW non-stop between those cities was almost always sold out, primarily due to the 100-125+ wets sitting in twos and threes in the boarding area and striving mightily to appear as if they weren't traveling together.<br />Funny thing was, they never got off at BNA. No, they all stayed on the plane to go to the next stop: Islip, Long Island. (Okay, partial credit; New York IS a border state.)JohnWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-89734054909483158242010-06-23T15:27:44.320-04:002010-06-23T15:27:44.320-04:00"And just so I make myself clear Shootin budd..."And just so I make myself clear Shootin buddy, Fuck you."<br /><br />Ahhh, an educated Texan.<br /><br />"This has been going on for a long time, but it is worse now than at any time since the Mexican revolution."<br /><br />That is a problem that the border states created in their demand for cheap labor and a pack the border states have to carry in cleaning up your mess. As in the Gulf, the fight should not be a national fight.<br /><br />Shootin' BuddyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-55011259076242318082010-06-23T14:48:29.314-04:002010-06-23T14:48:29.314-04:00Drugs and Mexico are inextricably tied together an...Drugs and Mexico are inextricably tied together and yet are completely unrelated in terms of solutions.<br /><br />Cartels can exist only where corruption and collusion preempt free exchange. If pot alone were legalized, and there is not one shred of a reason why it should not be, entrepreneurs would have the price of an ounce of hydroponic superweed from $500 to $50 almost immediately. No shortage, no profit, no cartel.<br /><br />Ah, but the coke trade would be unfettered, you say. Well, to some degree the low-cost and guilt-free availability of marijuana would reduce demand for the harder stuff. But in my mind, if a person wants to snort his nasal membrane out of existence that's okay with me as long as he doesn't harm, coerce, or jeopardize me and mine while doing it. <br /><br />Still unlike pot, "drugs" are proven harmful to those that use them and put innocent others at risk as well. Availability here though is the key. Gov does keep from being produced and marketed things that are demonstrably harmful. The active and enhanced pursuit and prosecution of importers, manufacturers, and suppliers of cocaine, methamphetamine, etc. falls under those powers and protections.<br /><br />Cannabis otoh, can be grown by a hobbyist for his own use, or purchased from a nursery where other useful, natural plants are grown. Hard to see any serious comparison to hard drugs, and impossible to justify different treatment than that controlling the sale of alcohol and for that matter the hobbyist production of wine or beer. <br /><br />Both of those measures would have a huge if incidental effect on border violence (drug related) if not border crossings (illegal immigration); most who are there would rather be here and I can't blame them.<br /><br />So what measures to take against illegal immigration? Some would call it radical, but for me, the answer is: not just for Mexico and not just for contiguous borders but for any and all, regardless of their origin and regardless of their talent and regardless of their desire...slam the damn immigration door shut. Totally. Completely. Forcefully. 'Til further notice.<br /><br />And again, action taken for one purpose has its repercussive effect on others. Go after illegal immigration, impact the drug trade. Remove demand for drugs, and have a huge effect on immigration. Because the issues are not really separate at all; it's not even about immigrants and drugs. It's about the money.<br /><br />So fight greed with greed. Whatever local revenue has been lost in the real estate bust, whatever fines and seizures would be at risk down at the local Sheriff Office from ceasing the pointless pursuit of pot, would be more than replaced by the inevitable sin tax that would be slapped on the reefer as its twenty varieties take their rightful place on the shelf down at ABC package store. <br /><br />It's all about the money. Follow the damn money.<br /><br />ATAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-21994302893435346612010-06-23T13:31:40.875-04:002010-06-23T13:31:40.875-04:00One point for y'all's edification: The na...One point for y'all's edification: The narcotrafficantes did not corrupt Mexico. TPTB in Mexico long regarded them as a cash cow, selling protection.<br /><br />Trouble is, the narcotrafficantes grew in $$$ and power and are now engaged in a weird civil war against a government which now is afraid of what it allowed to be created.<br /><br />Mexico has long created people at a faster rate than it has created jobs. Nafta created a problem in that our farmers are more efficient, so many of today's wetbacks were once farmers in Mexico--after having been run out of business.<br /><br />The U.S. has long been Mexico's safety valve. Expelling all illegals and a better closing of the southern border would lead to a violent revolution with unstoppable refugee spillover.<br /><br />Damfino...Desertrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09860257698839313423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-36208964707452527902010-06-23T11:32:14.649-04:002010-06-23T11:32:14.649-04:00Two points, @Boat Guy:
1. Some folks grow their o...Two points, @Boat Guy:<br /><br />1. Some folks grow their own (I don't touch the stuff; perlhaqr is fully capable of speaking for himself).<br /><br />2. Do you buy gasoline, use fertilizer, have anything plastic in your residence? Ahmedinejad, Chavez, and the House of Saud thank you for your support.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04780425923108876647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-62764699563507048562010-06-23T11:27:38.790-04:002010-06-23T11:27:38.790-04:00so perlhaqr equates "freedom" to not bei...so perlhaqr equates "freedom" to not being hassled for smoking dope?<br />I really could care less what you choose to ingest but the cartels thank you for your patronage and fueling the demand for their product.Boat Guynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-48316938165693395832010-06-23T11:18:10.956-04:002010-06-23T11:18:10.956-04:00Just a little fact:
I live 3/4 of a mile away fro...Just a little fact:<br /><br />I live 3/4 of a mile away from Lake Erie. When I reach the end of my street and turn right onto Route 283 (Lake Shore Blvd.), I am driving 100-400 yards from Lake Erie. If I go about 4 miles east towards my grocery store (Giant Eagle), I get to pass an older office building that has in its front window in NEON "Immigration Attorney" and a phone number. The parking lot always seems to be full of older vans and sedans. One would think that the vehicles would have Canadian plates, yet, surprisingly, most of the are local and/or from the Southwestern states. <br /><br />Now, with the Canadian border just 30 miles away in the middle of the lake, I think I can say that if you're wondering how far North illegal aliens have moved, come to my house and I'll let you see for yourself how far NORTH is NORTH.<br /><br />By the way, that's why I keep a pistol by the front door, and I slide my Colt Agent into a pocket when I go out the back door at night when I let my dogs out to go to the bathroom, or the security lights come on.Bubblehead Les.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00730873284089958084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-9380622971127466992010-06-23T11:08:59.840-04:002010-06-23T11:08:59.840-04:00Shorter Ed Foster: "I'd hate for you to h...Shorter Ed Foster: "I'd hate for you to have <b>too much</b> freedom."perlhaqrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920117742664645165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-66266442344308155112010-06-23T09:44:50.341-04:002010-06-23T09:44:50.341-04:00I'm with Ed Foster on this one. I'll also ...I'm with Ed Foster on this one. I'll also note that pot and other "recreational" drugs will never be legalized BECAUSE there is sooo much miney in them as illicit substances. The cartels will never stand for legalization and they have the money to influence elections. <br />Get over your "Hey howz come your 'drug' is legal and mine's not?" As noted, even with legalization the tide will not turn. We currently allow Mexico a great safety valve in taking (voluntarily or not) their poorest, most desperate and criminal - as well as some of their bravest people - which means Mexico doesn't have to fix MexicoBoat Guynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-47075981990641573912010-06-23T09:35:04.206-04:002010-06-23T09:35:04.206-04:00Thank you for your kind words, AT.
In this case...Thank you for your kind words, AT. <br /> In this case, guilty as charged. There are many things I don't understand about the United States.<br /> I don't understand women, either, but it has never stopped me admiring them.<br /><br /> Concerning the 'nukedmeg', isn't that over-microwaved nutmeg?<br /><br />Best wishes.Mr.Wolfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-51531945088793897852010-06-23T09:23:26.525-04:002010-06-23T09:23:26.525-04:00Shootin buddy - My family has lived on the border ...Shootin buddy - My family has lived on the border in southwest Texas since the late 19th century. My grandmother's family's home was attacked by Villistas. Her brother, my great uncle, Miles J Scannell, who was one of the first Border Patrolmen, was murdered by illegal aliens in 1929. This has been going on for a long time, but it is worse now than at any time since the Mexican revolution.<br /><br />And just so I make myself clear Shootin buddy, Fuck you.<br /><br />James DruseJD(not the one with the picture)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08404477489642340522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-73851078940019724972010-06-23T08:59:37.221-04:002010-06-23T08:59:37.221-04:00mr. wolf:
Your very nice tribute to the USA in a...mr. wolf: <br /><br />Your very nice tribute to the USA in an earlier VFTSP thread was very much appreciated by me.<br /><br />However, your most recent comment here shows positively that you do not understand the USA at all.<br /><br />AT<br /><br />wv: nukedmeg...poor meg.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com