tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post3803806033069058224..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: Magazine Fed Up.Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-3782310018628637272011-07-19T16:55:01.126-04:002011-07-19T16:55:01.126-04:00MadMike,
"Yeah, one or two errors slip into ...MadMike,<br /><br />"<i>Yeah, one or two errors slip into my gun rants, and I apologize.</i>"<br /><br />I've just been looking for a reason to use that "mitten on a string" line for a week or two, that's all. ;)Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-71681277935887672802011-07-19T13:32:53.729-04:002011-07-19T13:32:53.729-04:001. Sorry, I meant SPOON use in the British Army ha...1. Sorry, I meant SPOON use in the British Army had to be supervised.<br /><br />2. I hate to say it but the longest straight view in my neighborhood 100 yards and it's full of vehicles, trees and houses. An M1 is a better choice than a .223 as between the two for defensive use in that environment.<br /><br />Not for an army, but for me.<br /><br />3. As Cortez learned, don't mess with the Gods!staghoundshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05976667812875074135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-78266952289417464552011-07-19T11:46:43.714-04:002011-07-19T11:46:43.714-04:00Everyone has their favorites, and loves to poke fu...Everyone has their favorites, and loves to poke fun at those that don't share their views on them.<br /><br />Me, I love my Grand(s, all 8 of them) (been shooting it since I was in JROTC in 1970-74 - never had an M1 thumb). But it won't be my first choice when the SHTF.<br /><br />That will be my SA M1A (nice to have a real M14 but oh well). Seems I've read about the military scrounging for M14s for the designated marksman program. I heard they needed something usefull to counter the Taliban's .303's. Need something that has some punch at long range I guess.<br /><br />Thats why the "mouse gun" is 3rd choice. but I do have that one set up with a Beta-C mag for close in fire support. Each gun has its strengths and weaknesses.<br /><br />Scott,<br />Phx, AZAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-89064732336650275372011-07-19T11:04:02.754-04:002011-07-19T11:04:02.754-04:00Yeah, one or two errors slip into my gun rants, an...Yeah, one or two errors slip into my gun rants, and I apologize.<br /><br />The SMLE was intended to have spare mags. Economics and institutional inertia got in the way, but the capability was there.<br /><br />I'm in the process of converting a Carcano to straight feed, to get rid of the stupid clips.Michael Z. Williamsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13543005122174458805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-29370344686588534072011-07-16T19:36:43.577-04:002011-07-16T19:36:43.577-04:00I was trying to figure out where I've seen tha...I was trying to figure out where I've seen that name. He wrote a (maybe more than that) <a href="http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/bibliography-The%20Hero-book.html" rel="nofollow">book</a> with Oh John Ringo No!.macnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-15845491220113635532011-07-16T10:30:24.589-04:002011-07-16T10:30:24.589-04:00Pity his commenting system has some sort of issues...Pity his commenting system has some sort of issues, I wanted to leave hime this:<br /><br />"I would like to point out that, even if the sights of the various mention guns are rated for x, y and z, the rounds of them may or may not be combat effective at those ranges. I would trust a .30 cal round to get the job done at 400 yards, providing I do my part. I would not trust a .223 round so much at that range. Not that you can't it the target with it; you can and I have, but that it will do enough damage to incapacitate the target quickly."The Freeholderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09989697995675652792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-30825328283512632042011-07-15T22:47:28.959-04:002011-07-15T22:47:28.959-04:00Check MichaelZ's profile pic on his facebook p...Check MichaelZ's profile pic on his facebook page, linked from his blog. <br /><br />Somehow, him posing as an ambiguously-heterosexual Renaissance Fair sword-swinger makes his Garand rant even more amusing than it should be. <br /><br />http://www.facebook.com/MichaelZWilliamson<br /><br />I think he's looking for the six-fingered man or something.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-51955223229270247202011-07-15T22:36:24.927-04:002011-07-15T22:36:24.927-04:00I read the whole thing.
Pretty painful to read.
...I read the whole thing.<br /><br />Pretty painful to read.<br /><br />Especially when he uses 20-something Interweb speak "fanbois" to describe Garand aficionados who are, in my experience, a lot more likely to have gray hair instead of twitter accounts or loads of facebook status updates. <br /><br />Of course, "fanbois" is just another way to describe anyone who disagrees with MichaelZ. <br /><br />There is a funny thing about one of the criticisms he harps on. My Garand has a scope mounted in perfect alignment with the bore. It's a Nikon 2.5-8X EER on a Amega Ranges scout mount.<br /><br />It sits in my safe next to my four ARs in three different calibers.....and my FAL......and my M1A....and a lot of other things.hillbillynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-88821111132577244622011-07-15T18:42:12.950-04:002011-07-15T18:42:12.950-04:00Anon 1:37,
"Well, that was the whole point o...Anon 1:37,<br /><br />"<i>Well, that was the whole point of MZW's silly inaccurate screed, dismissing Geo. Patten's famous assessment of the Garand as about as relevant today as the worthiness of a flint-tipped stick, no?</i>"<br /><br />Minus 1,000 Points for reading with indignation-loaded preconceptions.<br /><br />Some Quotes:<br /><br />"<i>Let me start by saying I have nothing against the Garand for what it was—a forward-looking design for the 1920s. John C. did a fine job with the technology of the time, and it's not his fault what happened after.</i>"<br /><br />"<i>Now, the Garand is arguably better than the Mauser K98...</i>"<br /><br />Now for your statement:<br /><br />"<i>...dismissing Geo. Patten's famous assessment of the Garand as about as relevant today as the worthiness of a flint-tipped stick, no?</i>"<br /><br />That's not what he said.<br /><br />He pointed out that the people who unthinkingly parrot Patton's "finest battle implement" quote tend to ignore the fact that the quote was made in 1943.<br /><br />At that time, the P-51, Type IXD U-boat, and T-34 were also the "finest battle implements ever devised" but nobody repeats that quote today.<br /><br />Once upon a time, the the yew longbow was The Finest Battle Implement, but nobody's clamoring to rearm the 75th Ranger Regiment with them.<br /><br />(FOR THE SLOW PEOPLE IN THE BACK: I AM NOT EQUATING THE M1 GARAND WITH THE YEW LONGBOW. NOR AM I SUGGESTING THAT EITHER THE YEW LONGBOW OR THE GARAND WAS INFERIOR TO THE ENEMY'S WEAPONS AT THE TIME OF THEIR SERVICE.)Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-3253114561399401332011-07-15T17:24:12.508-04:002011-07-15T17:24:12.508-04:00I like the Garand, but never owned one. I did own ...I like the Garand, but never owned one. I did own an FN49, One of 8,500 sold to the brazilian armed forces. It was well cared for, and showed no signs of mistreatment. It was a 7mm, and was dead accurate, I gave it to My nephew who is a Marine. I told him to use it at home while on leave to keep his skills sharp, before he went to Iraq. Its a great rifle!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-24123222613017352172011-07-15T13:37:57.680-04:002011-07-15T13:37:57.680-04:00"At the time, the auto-fed Garand was the &qu..."At the time, the auto-fed Garand was the "finest implement of battle ever devised" as compared to the bolt rifles fielded by Axis powers."<br /><br />Tam said... <br />Did someone say it wasn't?<br /><br />Well, that was the whole point of MZW's silly inaccurate screed, dismissing Geo. Patten's famous assessment of the Garand as about as relevant today as the worthiness of a flint-tipped stick, no?<br /><br />And regarding MZW's "Garand thumb": anyone with even a casual understanding of Garand function realizes that sticking one's fingers into a Garand action when the bolt is partially held back by only the follower rather than fully by the op rod catch as Mr. J. Cantius Garand intended is a recipe for pain and a bloody parade glove.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-377604678675164562011-07-15T12:34:19.883-04:002011-07-15T12:34:19.883-04:00montieth,
Lotsa variations within wartime ShTLE p...montieth,<br /><br />Lotsa variations within wartime ShTLE production.<br /><br />My 1918-dated BSA ShTLE Mk.III* has a magazine cutoff, volley sights, and the windage-adjustable rear. Apparently as production wound down at war's end, there was some dithering about going back to prewar features. (And of course some FTR'ed rifles had windage-adjustable rears installed in the '20s.)Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-61441181943957512872011-07-15T12:20:15.573-04:002011-07-15T12:20:15.573-04:00The en bloc clip is obsolete today and was probabl...The en bloc clip is obsolete today and was probably obsolete in 1934 but unless you live in a tactical mall ninja fantasy land I doubt that any of us in the civilian world would be under-gunned with a Garand. <br />“AR-15 beats Garand” but if the reports from the battlefield that I have read are to be believed, it takes 3-5 solid hits from an M-4 to drop an enemy combatant. Which brings to mind a question: How many rounds of 5.56 ammo does it take to equal the man stopping power of one 8-round en bloc clip?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-59317493599789540452011-07-15T12:11:09.352-04:002011-07-15T12:11:09.352-04:00A No1 MK3* with a windage adjustable sight is a VE...A No1 MK3* with a windage adjustable sight is a VERY VERY rare bird. One is more likely to find that that was added after the fact on such a rifle. <br /><br />Wartime Rifles had the excess stuff removed or never added in the first place for expediency and relied upon drifting the front sight in it's dovetail. <br /><br />WWII era No1's would most certainly work to Geodkyt's format from everything I've seen, heard and read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-24878790196993354072011-07-15T10:51:44.019-04:002011-07-15T10:51:44.019-04:00http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?106956-...http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?106956-SMLE-No1-Mk3*-windage-adjustmentTamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-53569982831902990722011-07-15T10:40:06.911-04:002011-07-15T10:40:06.911-04:00You don;t adjust windage at the rear sight, you dr...You don;t adjust windage at the rear sight, you drift the front one. . . at th efactory, just as they adusted elevtion by replacing the front sight with one of the proper height. <br /><br />(The manual issued to every Canadian recruit in WWII addresses this in reasonable detail -- ask your average US Army infantry or USMC NCO to define "jump" and you will likely get a blank stare or mumbles about recoil causing automatic weapons to send subsequent rounds in a burst higher.)<br /><br />They did a damned fine job of it to, by and large.<br /><br /><b><i>Firehand said... </i></b><br />I seem to remember that the Brits got rid of the windage adjustment on the rear sight, and a lot of the ones out there were pinned so the troops couldn't mess with them.<br /><br />12:52 PM, July 14, 2011Geodkythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09328915597574377444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-28054003761379664412011-07-15T09:52:00.127-04:002011-07-15T09:52:00.127-04:00(Incidentally, boy howdy do fanbois get riled.
I ...(Incidentally, boy howdy do fanbois get riled.<br /><br />I own a Garand, my second one actually. I like my Garand. I've fired over a dozen different Garands over the years, including Douglas-barreled match rifles that would easily shoot MOA. When I was temporarily without an AR carbine, my Garand pulled housegun duty, because, unlike my other military self-loaders, I had ammunition that was a known quantity with the gun, plus I have more trigger time with the Garand.<br /><br />But suggest that the rifle is anything other than perfect, and the lynch mob forms. It's pretty funny.<br /><br />Next Week: Why the distance between the center of the bore axis and the top round in the magazine in the M1911 contributes to feedway stoppages... :DTamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-83495059207547232592011-07-15T09:44:03.324-04:002011-07-15T09:44:03.324-04:00Anon 1:49,
"At the time, the auto-fed Garand...Anon 1:49,<br /><br />"<i>At the time, the auto-fed Garand was the "finest implement of battle ever devised" as compared to the bolt rifles fielded by Axis powers.</i>"<br /><br />Did someone say it wasn't?Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-14687456071267392202011-07-15T06:35:07.522-04:002011-07-15T06:35:07.522-04:00Tam,
Yeah, I agree on the accuracy part. The SVT ...Tam,<br /><br />Yeah, I agree on the accuracy part. The SVT does the job if you're fighting a war, but not really great otherwise. I didn't have high expectations for it when I bought it, as I don't for a lot of the collectible military stuff. Some are great, some are "where in the hell am I aiming this thing?" I got most of my guns to see what they felt like to fire during war. (well except the little issue of no Mud or rain or anyone shooting at me parts.)<br /><br />The FN-49 and Ljungman are definitely better for accuracy. Or at least I find I can hit the target with them. <br /><br />My biggest disappointment is not being able to shoot any of the German stuff from WW2. At least none of the interesting stuff. I'd love to try the fallschirmjägergewehr-42. I don't know many collectors so I don't get many chances to try stuff that I don't own.Nylarthotephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14015695031209858516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-2242685560810942492011-07-15T01:49:55.584-04:002011-07-15T01:49:55.584-04:00Lee's original operational concept was for the...Lee's original operational concept was for the rifle to be charged via a change of magazines.WilhelmDurandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16200292728815175516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-19924156776067677902011-07-15T01:49:09.520-04:002011-07-15T01:49:09.520-04:00Wow, I'm sorry I wasted the time reading MZW&#...Wow, I'm sorry I wasted the time reading MZW's inaccurate trashing of the Garand. Reminds me of similar screeds by fanboys of modern Austrian plastic dismissing the 1911 as anachronistic. <br /><br />In the 1930's with the War Dept sitting on a few billion rounds of .30-06 it was a lot easier and cheaper to design a rifle around a disposable, stamped lightweight en bloc clip to make use of that ammo than it was to build, load and carry millions of box magazines.<br /><br />At the time, the auto-fed Garand <i>was</i> the "finest implement of battle ever devised" as compared to the bolt rifles fielded by Axis powers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-90135453676682975962011-07-15T00:06:46.196-04:002011-07-15T00:06:46.196-04:00As for mystical accuracy of the M1I shot highpower...As for mystical accuracy of the M1I shot highpower rifle matches for two years with a NM M1 Garand that had been tuned decades ago by Walt Weed. (Please correct me if I got the name wrong)<br /><br />With military match ammo that rifle shot 2 inch groups at 200yds for me when slinged up in prone position. I pwned quite a few of the poodleshooters with that rifle. Had to sell it when I was laid off.<br /><br />In two years of matches and practice not a single "M1 thumb". Probably because I grew up around machinery that would eat you if you didn't pay attention and use it correctly so I learned at an early age to get my appendages clear of the moving parts.Hat Trickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08789313677285831256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-45141665187832390722011-07-14T23:36:41.343-04:002011-07-14T23:36:41.343-04:00I sometimes wonder what gets people so worked up a...I sometimes wonder what gets people so worked up about a gun that it inspires them to column-inches (or whatever the equivalent unit is in bandwidth - what's the conversion again?) to it.<br /><br />I own a Garand and like it, for reasons that appeal to me and no one else. I also own an M4. I consider the M16-series of firearms to be among the most ergonomically sound service rifles. I was trained on M16s in the Army and know them inside and out. I'd never take a Garand downrange, even if the option was open to me.<br /><br />I own a surveyor's transit made in 1953 and have actually done some work around <i>Chez gvi</i> with it. But I wouldn't think of using one at work - even the instrument I used in 1992 was several generations removed and did work far more quickly and efficiently.<br /><br />I own a Remington Rand manual typewriter and occasionally use it to type letters or forms if it's not burdensome. But I'm not typing this post on a manual typewriter.<br /><br />I own slide rules, logarithmic tables and an abacus and know how to use each. I don't use them at work of course - time is money.<br /><br />I own a complete set of manual drafting tools. I use AutoCAD at work - see "time" above, plus the other advantages of CAD drafting vs. manual.<br /><br />So on and so forth. There are things we enjoy using, and things we use because they are better for the purpose. And as for guns, <i>all dogs have fleas.</i><br /><br />One advantage to the M1 is that when I got it through the CMP for $450 or so, I <i>didn't</i> yet own an M4 and wouldn't for another five years. It turns out, however, that the sight picture is identical to the M16-series. Why is this an advantage? I offer range days to the Soldiers in my Reserve unit so they can get trigger time before qualifying (they're mostly from Chicago). Having a rifle for them to use with a similar sight picture was an advantage - they knew what they were looking at.<br /><br />gviglobal village idiothttp://www.alpharubicon.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-68384581452967105642011-07-14T22:54:12.287-04:002011-07-14T22:54:12.287-04:00Mike seems to have grudge about the Garand, or som...Mike seems to have grudge about the Garand, or something.<br /><br />I can't understand why he even attempts to make about a half-dozen points in that piece of his, but oh well, to each his own.theirritablearchitecthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04105315709746689270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-15498460393280493702011-07-14T22:15:05.476-04:002011-07-14T22:15:05.476-04:00Tami, no mystic hype required ( although the Moog ...Tami, no mystic hype required ( although the Moog and fog effects would be pretty cool). <br /> Given a week or two notice of your next visit to Coal Creek, I could arrange to have the rifle - and a suitable supply of ammo) available for your shooting pleasure. Can't make it myself, or supply the special effects (dang it).<br /> Having competed in high power, I readily admit the AR can be made more accurate. Then again, what would I rather be shot with at 600 yards?<br /> Which is better? Whatever suits you... The M1 is obsolete, no doubt... Doesn't mean it won't do the job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com