tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post5480867174097216961..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: Old Obama had an albatross, BATFE-I-E-I-O!Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-76806645778640701912011-10-03T18:08:31.420-04:002011-10-03T18:08:31.420-04:00Sure, the FCC and FAA and USDA are no fun to deal ...<i>Sure, the FCC and FAA and USDA are no fun to deal with, but they rarely burn down churches full of people or smuggle machine guns to Mexican dope gangs. </i><br /><br />Or they're just a <i>lot better at covering it up</i>!<br /><br />(What, you've never heard of the FCC death squads?<br /><br />Their plan is working!)Sigivaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16152366541957466049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-69860917341903870702011-10-03T16:02:56.825-04:002011-10-03T16:02:56.825-04:00"Sure, the FCC and FAA and USDA are no fun to..."Sure, the FCC and FAA and USDA are no fun to deal with, but they rarely burn down churches full of people."<br /><br />The USDA has been responsible for the most deaths of the bunch. Granted facilitating the food poisoning of the young and elderly isn't as glamorous...but it's a lot more lethal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-13451014288972651142011-10-03T14:51:56.655-04:002011-10-03T14:51:56.655-04:00http://jpfo.org/images02/bootpin.jpghttp://jpfo.org/images02/bootpin.jpgMad Saint Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14289623562998116757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-51088328340677018472011-10-03T13:22:23.707-04:002011-10-03T13:22:23.707-04:00It needs a sexual angle to really start flying.
S...It needs a sexual angle to really start flying.<br /><br />Surely there was a stripper involved at some point?<br /><br />jfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-49031279684411446762011-10-03T09:52:51.229-04:002011-10-03T09:52:51.229-04:00The sad thing is that Fast & Furious still doe...The sad thing is that Fast & Furious still does not have much traction outside the gunnie world--despite Glen Reynolds' best efforts. <br /><br />It needs to somehow be connected with something else that will raise its profile.Chas S. Cliftonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00923547685265741325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-47438155579175138322011-10-03T07:51:24.939-04:002011-10-03T07:51:24.939-04:00You're right Matt, Bush wasn't much better...You're right Matt, Bush wasn't much better. The "compassionate conservative" line was a giveaway.<br /><br />Either the Constitution means what it says or it doesn't.Tango Juliethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07593296126387219845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-36811608376462158772011-10-02T20:01:07.751-04:002011-10-02T20:01:07.751-04:00"Reduce the size and scope of the federal gov...<i>"Reduce the size and scope of the federal gov? Never happen under the Obama watch."</i> <br /><br />While I happen to agree, I hasten to point out that our federal government's agencies expanded almost geometrically during the Bush years, following 9/11/'01. <br /><br />Hell, W. even created a new Cabinet position, to take the bloat.Matt Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03500429239798601210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-80045313509549792542011-10-02T18:50:42.173-04:002011-10-02T18:50:42.173-04:00I wish, but I will not hold my breath.I wish, but I will not hold my breath.Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09752401490789789451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-30252749602812274472011-10-02T14:39:07.660-04:002011-10-02T14:39:07.660-04:00IIRC, the tobacco ninjas blew the original raid.
...IIRC, the tobacco ninjas blew the original raid.<br /><br />They got pulled off the job and we have the FBI to thank for What A Cook Out.<br /><br />+1 to Shootin' Buddy @12:41 PMStandard Mischiefhttp://standardmischief.com/blog/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-38357608821912036612011-10-02T14:30:19.800-04:002011-10-02T14:30:19.800-04:00So Bush the Younger realized that one should not m...So Bush the Younger realized that one should not mix Booze and Firearms at the same time? And Hippies called him Stupid.<br /><br />I think the only reason BATFEIEIO hasn't gone away is that A) Congress would have to change some Gun Laws, which would let the Pro-Gun Groups do some serious Lobbying, which may undermine the Anti-Gunners in the Legislature, and B) when the ATF screws up, this allows the FBI and other Federal LEOS to say "Not MY Fault!" at the Congressional Hearings.<br /><br />But hey, who can tell with this Admin?Bubblehead Les.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00730873284089958084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-85551187220308938552011-10-02T14:28:26.839-04:002011-10-02T14:28:26.839-04:00Sure, the FCC and FAA and USDA are no fun to deal ...<i>Sure, the FCC and FAA and USDA are no fun to deal with, but they rarely burn down churches full of people.</i><br /><br />From a certain point of view, those are <i>features</i>....Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04780425923108876647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-62626567934774886072011-10-02T14:06:10.583-04:002011-10-02T14:06:10.583-04:00Here we go:
"Additionally, the task of colle...Here we go:<br /><br />"<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Alcohol,_Tobacco,_Firearms_and_Explosives#Organizational_history" rel="nofollow">Additionally, the task of collection of federal tax revenue derived from the production of tobacco and alcohol products and the regulatory function related to protecting the public in issues related to the production of alcohol, previously handled by the Bureau of Internal Revenue as well as by ATF, was transferred to the newly established Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (TTB), which remained within the Treasury Department. These changes took effect January 24, 2003.</a>"Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-55326076801604806422011-10-02T14:02:59.390-04:002011-10-02T14:02:59.390-04:00G98,
Prior to '02, they were still part of th...G98,<br /><br />Prior to '02, they were still part of the Treasury Department, though.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-18939829228461236712011-10-02T13:49:00.648-04:002011-10-02T13:49:00.648-04:00BTW, my tour was in 1999. A lot could've chan...BTW, my tour was in 1999. A lot could've changed in the intervening years. <br /><br />And I don't believe ATF will ever simply go away. Maybe they can become part of the no-notice, gun-toting Department of Education? ;-)Gewehr98https://www.blogger.com/profile/14440119702457734221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-4458527198607163192011-10-02T13:46:24.030-04:002011-10-02T13:46:24.030-04:00Tam,
Having been courted by the ATF for a GS-11 p...Tam,<br /><br />Having been courted by the ATF for a GS-11 position at their crime lab in Walnut Creek, Kalifornia, I can attest to the fact that their firearm, alcohol, and tobacco forensic operations all happen under one roof. It was pretty cool seeing the huge collection of reloading components in one shop (drool!), then walking across the hall to watch a technician pour a sample of Crown Royal into an HPLC for analysis. I was giggling to myself, "Some for the machine, some for me..."<br /><br />I also got to see some of the Unabomber evidence up close and personal.Gewehr98https://www.blogger.com/profile/14440119702457734221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-27936266278743581432011-10-02T12:43:43.134-04:002011-10-02T12:43:43.134-04:00I'd guess that this white paper that started t...I'd guess that this white paper that started the rumor, is more in the nature of a threat to the rank and file to stop blowing whistles or the whole agency can go away.NJTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-5573393204423014032011-10-02T12:41:24.571-04:002011-10-02T12:41:24.571-04:00"AFAIK, the Alcohol and Tobacco guys are stil..."AFAIK, the Alcohol and Tobacco guys are still part of Treasury. I could be wrong."<br /><br />F Troop was moved to DOJ in the HSA of '02. It was funny to see the letterhead change overnight.<br /><br />Give ATF back to IRS when it was ATF at the IRS. Institute Title II reform including the Gun Collector's License and, above all, take any their guns and badges, go back to being tax clerks.<br /><br />Shootin' BuddyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-73136366403419303762011-10-02T11:43:46.109-04:002011-10-02T11:43:46.109-04:00Kristopher,
"Ermmm .. wasn't Bush the El...Kristopher,<br /><br />"<i>Ermmm .. wasn't Bush the Elder in charge during the Ruby Ridge goat rope?</i>"<br /><br />Yes, but people had largely forgotten that by 1994, conflating Ruby Ridge, Waco, the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, "jack-booted thugs", and the '89 Assault Weapons Ban into one big Democrat initiative. I've even heard the thumbhole stock on a MAK-90 referred to as a "Clinton Stock", despite it predating the Clinton administration by three years.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-27657848954768435212011-10-02T11:34:28.805-04:002011-10-02T11:34:28.805-04:00The revenue collecting portion of the BATF was mov...The revenue collecting portion of the BATF was moved to Treasury, and the LE part was moved to the BATFE under Justice.<br /><br />And the FBI now has it's own bomb unit ...<br /><br />If we can get the NFA registry ( You lost your Form 4? Go to the post office and buy another one. ) and that illegal 4473/bound book repository deleted, we CAN fire the lot of them.Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-64605742389140264632011-10-02T11:29:39.541-04:002011-10-02T11:29:39.541-04:00Ermmm .. wasn't Bush the Elder in charge durin...Ermmm .. wasn't Bush the Elder in charge during the Ruby Ridge goat rope?<br /><br />Clinton got smart about guns and the public far too late. He could have used Ruby Ridge as an excuse to shut down these clowns. Instead he gave them and Reno free reign to alienate damned near all gun-owners.Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-64558447042250052622011-10-02T11:06:12.882-04:002011-10-02T11:06:12.882-04:00John Stephens,
AFAIK, the Alcohol and Tobacco guy...John Stephens,<br /><br />AFAIK, the Alcohol and Tobacco guys are still part of Treasury. I could be wrong.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-57480947119453545292011-10-02T11:01:40.365-04:002011-10-02T11:01:40.365-04:00The alcohol and cigarette guys seem to be able to ...The alcohol and cigarette guys seem to be able to go about their business without winding up in the papers. Maybe that's because they're more interested in collecting taxes than making ugly public examples of people?John Stephensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-68514134133344425832011-10-02T10:44:14.519-04:002011-10-02T10:44:14.519-04:00+1 to Stranger
With the exception of the explosiv...+1 to Stranger<br /><br />With the exception of the explosives group and dog handlers, ATF are the scarlet letters to all other agencies.<br /><br />It would make perfect sense to roll the tax revenue enforcement into Treasury. That's probably why it won't happen.<br /><br />GerryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-21379355490212980022011-10-02T10:40:16.072-04:002011-10-02T10:40:16.072-04:00Ten will get you one that if the ATF is disbanded,...Ten will get you one that if the ATF is disbanded, none of its employees will actually be out of a job. They'll all get moved sideways into other agencies. Sure, the FBI or Secret Service may not want anything to do with them, but the IRS is allegedly to hire 'many thousands' of new tax enforcement agents to enforce Obamacare. Can you imagine a better fit for a former ATF goon than the IRS?Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-2792144233892646472011-10-02T10:31:16.990-04:002011-10-02T10:31:16.990-04:00A man in the Senate told me Clinton tried to combi...A man in the Senate told me Clinton tried to combine the ATF with another agency after the Branch Davidian auto da fe a por fuego. The deal would have moved the BATmen sideways to another law enforcement agency. <br /><br />Neither the FBI nor the Secret Service wanted any part of the ATF's "cowboys." I think they had good reason. <br /><br />But since every Federal law enforcement agency has been tainted by participation in the various ATF "Operations," there is not much reason for the Feebs to object. <br /><br />StrangerStrangerhttp://extranosalley.comnoreply@blogger.com