tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post708561874926916670..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: Whatever happens we have got... Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger84125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-52889297580273946772012-09-17T16:28:28.634-04:002012-09-17T16:28:28.634-04:00Only because Stembridge didn't have enough Lee...Only because Stembridge didn't have enough Lee straight pulls...staghoundshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05976667812875074135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-55400369750585044042012-09-14T18:48:20.951-04:002012-09-14T18:48:20.951-04:00Just My 2¢,
"a company of Marines double-tim...Just My 2¢,<br /><br />"<i>a company of Marines double-timing through the narrow streets, with Springfields at port-arms</i>"<br /><br />Krags. They were Krags. :)Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-48549637608929176132012-09-14T18:22:56.349-04:002012-09-14T18:22:56.349-04:00"The Wind and the Lion". It was set in M..."The Wind and the Lion". It was set in Morocco, but it's not a far stretch to move it to Libya.<br /><br />One of the best military scenes in film history - a company of Marines double-timing through the narrow streets, with Springfields at port-arms, in formation, with a cadence. Just My 2¢https://www.blogger.com/profile/01870976662057532723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-16459253672514243712012-09-14T16:07:17.818-04:002012-09-14T16:07:17.818-04:00More and more I tire of the thought of painting wi...More and more I tire of the thought of painting with too broad a brush. It was a damned broad brush painting the embassies with their sweaty clinging limbs.<br /><br />"The Mookie War Creed: I am the Sword of my Family and Shield of my Nation. If sent, I will crush everything you have built, burn all that you love, and kill every one of you."<br /><br />LauraBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07597941562529910169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-736132062955757492012-09-14T13:32:02.612-04:002012-09-14T13:32:02.612-04:00Killing a bunch of underlings, lackeys, conscripts...Killing a bunch of underlings, lackeys, conscripts, and infants is stupid. <br /><br />Plan A is to find, and kill: the current chiefs of state of Libya and Egypt, the bosses of their militaries, the bosses of their internal security, and the bosses of the cities where these attacks occurred. <br /><br />And anyone in the same rooms or buildings with them.<br /><br />Tell and show the world that personal death is the cost of our displeasure, and that high office under people who offend us is unhealthy. <br /><br />The next bosses will be thrilled with the vacua into which they step, and might choose to make not angering us a higher priority than their predecessors did. <br /><br />If not, repeat. Eventually we will get down to Carlos in the mail room, who will be a profoundly grateful ally. <br /><br />As Bill Whittle said, no one likes a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.staghoundshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05976667812875074135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-56010179536854871332012-09-14T04:14:01.896-04:002012-09-14T04:14:01.896-04:00I'm just as outraged as the rest of you, but I...I'm just as outraged as the rest of you, but I'd advise against blanketing all of Libya under the same banner as the extremists. Unlike most Arab nations, who enjoy dancing in American blood, there is evidence that many Libyans are outraged over the attack, as there have been protests and reported anger across local social media over the killings. Chris Stevens was reportedly well liked by Libyans because of his work supporting Libyan rebels from the early stages of the revolution up until his death. Additionally, 10 Libyans died defending the embassy, and normal Libyan citizens tried to save the Ambassador, succeeding in getting him to a hospital, where he unfortunately succumbed to his injuries.<br /><br />I believe in finding and killing these murderers. But I'd rather use a scalpel rather than a hammer. Contrary to what many think, there are good people in Libya who fought and bled for their chance at a better life. I'd rather we not wipe them all out.<br /><br />(I've enclosed a set of pictures from one of the pro-US rallies from an Arabic Facebook group, as well as a letter from a Libyan woman who was involved in the revolution.)<br /><br /><br />https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.279016282203019.51898.111954325575883&type=3<br /><br />http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/12/1131058/-My-Libyan-American-step-daughter-writes-a-letter-to-U-S-embassy-employees-in-Tripoli-and-BenghaziGeoffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-35839371106966887492012-09-13T21:16:33.039-04:002012-09-13T21:16:33.039-04:00So what is plan A?
Another Afghanistan? Harsh wor...So what is plan A?<br /><br />Another Afghanistan? Harsh words?<br /><br />Ten more years of TSA shit?<br /><br />If Bush had responded to 9-11 by nuking Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, we would still have a mostly intact Constitution, and Dar Al Islam would be scared to fucking death of us.Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-74421808863134883382012-09-13T20:08:40.425-04:002012-09-13T20:08:40.425-04:00The bombs didn't stop Stalin from enslaving Ea...The bombs didn't stop Stalin from enslaving Eastern Europe, nor Mao from causing millions of deaths in Korea, and tens of millions among his own people.<br /><br />The masters of Libya, like Mugabe, sleep in findable places, at the end of findable trails of the transmission of power. Find them, kill them.<br /><br />The next tyrant, or the one after that, will prefer ruling without messing with us.<br /><br />Burning babies may be necessary, I submit that to the United States in 2012, it ought to be plan B or C.staghoundshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05976667812875074135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-58158193147710591952012-09-13T14:39:31.552-04:002012-09-13T14:39:31.552-04:00Staghounds: yadayadayada, but the only factual tim...Staghounds: yadayadayada, but the only factual timeline is this one:<br /><br />(from wiki)<br /><br />"...the United States called for a surrender of Japan in the Potsdam Declaration on 26 July 1945, threatening Japan with "prompt and utter destruction". The Japanese government ignored this ultimatum, and the United States deployed two nuclear weapons developed by the Manhattan Project. American airmen dropped Little Boy on the city of Hiroshima on 6 August 1945, followed by Fat Man over Nagasaki on 9 August...On 15 August, six days after the bombing of Nagasaki, Japan announced its surrender to the Allies, signing the Instrument of Surrender on 2 September, officially ending World War II. The bombings led, in part, to post-war Japan's adopting Three Non-Nuclear Principles, forbidding the nation from nuclear armament."<br /><br />Take particular note of that last sentence and consider what might otherwise have been. Then extrapolate that to the situation now at hand.<br /><br />Or, we can spend the next fucking decade, like the last one, watching news reports of Americans being slaughtered on the ground as we try to save and then civilize those who will have none of it, and will hate us all the more for the sacrifice.<br /><br />Hmmm, what to do... <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-48579691884962442992012-09-13T13:22:06.515-04:002012-09-13T13:22:06.515-04:00Agreed Tam.
As much as I would like to see the Li...Agreed Tam.<br /><br />As much as I would like to see the Libyan Embassy staff given the Vlad the Impaler treatment on the Whitehouse lawn, we should still stick to the Hague convention.<br /><br />Declare them persona non-grata, send them home, and then formally declare war on said home.<br /><br />Then make the rubble bounce.Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-61820074809427985072012-09-13T12:44:16.826-04:002012-09-13T12:44:16.826-04:00Yeah, I'm thinking we can leave the Rape of Na...Yeah, I'm thinking we can leave the Rape of Nanking stuff to the bad guys...Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-66893759046196771722012-09-13T11:07:47.066-04:002012-09-13T11:07:47.066-04:00+ 1 everything Kristophr said! + 1 everything Kristophr said! Trenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02601612046900301546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-20126335429761826752012-09-13T10:58:31.544-04:002012-09-13T10:58:31.544-04:00As for Benghazi, I don't just want to nuke it,...As for Benghazi, I don't just want to nuke it, I want to invade it, round up the entire population and have a month of crucifixions and impalement, then when the area looks like a forest that Vlad the impaler would approve of, we hit it with the dirtiest most radioactive nuke we've got as a symbol of what happens when you fuck with an American representative.<br /><br />This isn't a war, its retribution and for that there are no rules. Trenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02601612046900301546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-85509226245782264212012-09-13T10:11:36.215-04:002012-09-13T10:11:36.215-04:00staghounds: The majority in most Arab countries th...staghounds: The majority in most Arab countries thinks killing Americans is a good thing.<br /><br />They were dancing in the streets after 9-11, remember?<br /><br />Islam is still at the medieval stage, where murdering or enslaving unbelievers is still considered pious.<br /><br />Only extreme violence will beat a clue into them ... which is exactly what needed to happen before the Enlightenment put and end to most of that crap in Europe.<br /><br />They will not voluntarily behave like civilized people.<br /><br />Yes, there are some folks in these countries that are civilized. Too damned bad. Good people died in Germany and Japan as well.<br /><br />When you try to "rifle" approach that libertarians advocate, your targets just disappear into the crowds, and you end up with a decades long guerrilla war.Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-64831583755577115412012-09-13T10:06:22.116-04:002012-09-13T10:06:22.116-04:00Firehand: The Yemeni government sent in it's o...Firehand: The Yemeni government sent in it's own troops, who then violently cleared the AQ goons from the streets around the embassy.<br /><br />Apparently they see what is coming in 2013, and decided they DO NOT WANT.Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-13732236055410298962012-09-13T10:04:38.226-04:002012-09-13T10:04:38.226-04:00Oleg:
Libertarian anarchic theory fall flat on it...Oleg:<br /><br />Libertarian anarchic theory fall flat on its face when dealing with nation states.<br /><br />The government of Libya removed the US ambassador from his embassy, and handed him to AQ pukes, who raped and murdered him.<br /><br />The only appropriate response is to formally declare war.<br /><br />If you want to live in Libertoonianville, where acts of war are ignored, I suggest getting together with a bunch of like minded folks, and colonizing some unclaimed land.<br /><br />I think Queen Maude Land in Antarctica is still unclaimed, now that Nazi Germany is no more.Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-36989045611640298072012-09-13T09:07:53.451-04:002012-09-13T09:07:53.451-04:00And, as of Thursday morning, more embassies attack...And, as of Thursday morning, more embassies attacked, with the one in Yemen having security breached and the flag burned.<br /><br /><i>The protesters breached the usually tight security around the embassy and reached the compound grounds but did not enter the main building housing the offices.</i><br />Gee, I wonder what happened to the 'usually tight security'? Surely the .gov of Yemen wouldn't have a hand in such things...Firehandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04562365951182027709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-68214417967911765492012-09-13T09:03:38.208-04:002012-09-13T09:03:38.208-04:00Ah, Japan.
We killed millions and millions of Ja...Ah, Japan. <br /><br />We killed millions and millions of Japanese and Germans over a period of years before they surrendered.<br /><br />The only thing that caused the surrender was the physical, personal, imminent, certain death of the dictators.<br /><br />We burned Tokyo to the ground, do you really think the extra 200,000 dead in two provincial cities made the difference?<br /><br />By January 1945, the Allies were slaughtering Japanese and German civilians pretty much at will.<br /><br />Dictators and tyrants do not care even a little about dead peasants. Their own personal deaths or loss of power are their only fears.<br /><br />I do not fear collateral damage when the attack is targeted correctly. If we kill the tyrants- which we now CAN do, we couldn't in 1940- their successors will be more interested in keeping their populations docile toward us. <br /><br />It is stupid to use a grenade or a shotgun when a rifle will do. staghoundshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05976667812875074135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-73541492828433393122012-09-13T04:57:35.145-04:002012-09-13T04:57:35.145-04:00Hmm. Our Tam as Dictatrix. She would need lots of ...Hmm. Our Tam as Dictatrix. She would need lots of bodyguards, but I betcha there would be lots of volunteers. I would be one.Justthisguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17277333206171756636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-43232427986990333062012-09-13T04:46:13.613-04:002012-09-13T04:46:13.613-04:00Dang, Tam, I have a problem deciding who I want fo...Dang, Tam, I have a problem deciding who I want for Dictator, you or Mike Williamson.Justthisguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17277333206171756636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-29141172663893949162012-09-13T01:12:54.644-04:002012-09-13T01:12:54.644-04:00Boatguy:
I would have hired you on the spot.
Mis...Boatguy:<br /><br />I would have hired you on the spot.<br /><br />Mission Brief:<br />"DevilDog Boatguy- See that wall?"<br /><br />"On top of and inside that wall is your engagement area"<br /><br />" Anyone who enters the perimeter is hostile and will be engaged - let First Sergeant know if you require more ammo. "<br /><br />Friends<br /><br />I recall Rudyard Kipling's poem, <br />The Grave of a Hundred Head.<br /><br />The Libyan "government" or " powers that be ", apparently encouraged the mob by playing excerpts of the anti-Prophet movie on state TV. If state TV is doing mob-provoking, this is not a "do it yourself" project sponsored by a local mullah who wants to make a name for himself. This is a product of the disfunctional government we helped install. It s not capable of keeping the peace or educating its citizens or cnducting commerce, but it does seem to have " mob excitation" down pretty good.<br /><br />We have been given a pro-forma apology by this same government. <br /><br />I suspect this has been coordinated with the Egyptian government ( read Muslim Brotherhood). This is the new Mid-East reality, and we really should consider a response that includes the head of the Boh on top of the pile, and the head of his son below.<br /><br />For a more " reasoned" and limited response, without nukes, have a couple of destroyers stand offshore and use naval gunfire and a few Tomahawks to destroy " Government House" or " The Green House" or "Green Gables" or whatever they call the building that is the physical seat of government.<br /><br />This would be a perfect employment for the Battleship New Jersey, but sadly she is no longer available.<br /><br />We also should not send them another dimes worth of foreign aid.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />GKTgreg tagnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-70880561504638926442012-09-13T00:36:55.552-04:002012-09-13T00:36:55.552-04:00At the height of the empire, a Roman citizen could...At the height of the empire, a Roman citizen could walk across the face of the known world free of molestation. He could walk across the Earth unharmed, cloaked only in the protection of the words civis Romanus -- I am a Roman citizen. So great was the retribution of Rome, universally certain, should any harm befall even one of its citizens since the Roman Army would wipe out every living thing in the village, then wipe out the village. <br /><br />There is a lesson there somewhere methinks.Mike V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00850684530065926604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-40154556123949696432012-09-13T00:34:01.801-04:002012-09-13T00:34:01.801-04:00"I've got two words for you; "Hirosh..."I've got two words for you; "Hiroshima" and "Nagasaki""?<br /><br />That's because most other major Japanese cities had already been either firebombed or had cloud overcast that would obscure the immediate observation of the effect of the nuclear bombing, preventing photo-documentation. <br /><br />Some Americans would have preferred that we upscaled our experience in taking Okinawa and invaded mainland Japan instead of using nuclear weapons. That is self-loathing taken to an extreme.<br />Ednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-74948190663552112012-09-12T23:57:49.256-04:002012-09-12T23:57:49.256-04:00Big sticks are nothing but fodder for mycelium unl...Big sticks are nothing but fodder for mycelium unless you bounce them off a noggin every so often.<br /><br />Nobody fears a patch of morels, 'specially not when they're tended by an effete statist that gets bear-hugged by a pizza tosser.Buzznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-67718307001636492392012-09-12T22:51:22.340-04:002012-09-12T22:51:22.340-04:001)Y'all seem to be stuck with the illusion the...1)Y'all seem to be stuck with the illusion there is a real government in Libya.<br />2)You may remember we invaded a country called Afghanistan because it harbored terrorists who attacked us. We never really beat them, and obviously respect for US power was a not a lesson imparted by that invasion, even though it came with the requisite amount of mass casualties.<br /><br />Sending in the carpet bombers is a good idea when you can expect results from that move. But it's a stupid move when you expect that the desired results will never materialize.kishnevihttp://kishnevi.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com