tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post7804512540966295392..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: Weekend Report: Shooting.Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-18858138894560954422009-08-07T13:01:37.023-04:002009-08-07T13:01:37.023-04:00Well, when that happy day arrives, let me recommen...Well, when that happy day arrives, let me recommend a battery that involves at least a mid-size (like S&W K frame) .38 Special or .357 Mag revolver with a tube from about 3" - 4" as a staple, right up there with the .22 LR (auto or revolver) for cheaper practice.<br /><br />While I'm a John Browning fan, wheelguns have their places when traveling, sleeping, or just sitting around for ages.<br /><br />Vord Verify - "Liess" Gollum giving a DNC speech about GOP opposition to health care "reform".Rick R.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-48741982256646906752009-08-05T15:56:12.943-04:002009-08-05T15:56:12.943-04:00I suppose it was an academic question. Until I cha...I suppose it was an academic question. Until I change states or the 2A is rammed down NJ.gov throats I can't be permitted to defend myself. Nonetheless I collect opinions on the topic.Ian Argenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03704336044732061128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-54547941494777543682009-08-05T15:43:38.920-04:002009-08-05T15:43:38.920-04:00Ian Argent --
Hey, quick on/off holsters are a gr...Ian Argent --<br /><br />Hey, quick on/off holsters are a great idea IF you plan on disarming and rearming while you're out.<br /><br />Two caveats -- <br /><br />1. You planning on leaving a loaded gun in your car while you're at the range? I'd prefer not to do that unless necessary (the only gun I've ever had stolen was stolen from a locked car). I mean, there's times and places where you gotta do what you gotta do, but I prefer to minimize exposure. If you DO go this route, you need to consider a hgolster that you can take off fairly unobtrusively from the driver's seat, like a paddle.<br /><br />2. Sometimes, your carry mode isn't going to accomodate an easy on/easy off holster (like a paddle), unless you had a special holster for planning to arm/disarm in your car. For example, in the summer, I find that IWB is the only practical way to go. (Well, there'a always fanny pack -- but they tend to scream "I've got a gun!!!" to anyone with three functioning neurons. {grin}) <br /><br />Even with a Milt Sparks SSII or a Bianchi, it's a PITA for me. My wife pretty much is "shoulder rig or nothing", due to body configuration (see above for "unobtrusive" as to why a shoulder rig may not be best for this prupose).<br /><br />Now, if a paddle rig works well for you, or you've got some other easy on/easy off (but secure) rigs, great.<br /><br />My solution if I know I'll have to be playing musical CCW, is to usually carry a wheelgun that day. I'm a LOT more confortable loading and unloading a revolver in the driver's seat than I am an autoloader. <br /><br />That's generally how I handle traveling interstate, since 90% of the time, the best route to anywhere (even other parts of Virginia) is through Maryland.<br /><br />Of course, this only works if you have a revolver and rig you feel comfortable carrying.Rick R.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-30666417497253702192009-08-05T15:25:01.227-04:002009-08-05T15:25:01.227-04:00Sorry Montanabob -- but you comment indicates you ...Sorry Montanabob -- but you comment indicates you haven't the first foggiest notion about CCW.<br /><br />The fact that you now insist you DO have a CCW and carry regularly doesn't change that. Nor does the fact that you claim (and I have no reason to doubt your claim) to have a crap load of guns at home.<br /><br />My brother-in-law has a garage full of expensive tools, but that doesn't make him a mechanic, craftsman, or carpenter.<br /><br />I DO NOT carry because I think I will need protection at any given moment. If I could PREDICT when and where the Bad guys are going to be -- I wouldn't go there in the first place. (If I absolutely HAD to go someplace, knowing it was dangerous -- I damned sure wouldn't be alone, and I damned sure wouldn't be relying on a handgun. Since I'm not on the SWAT team and I haven't worn my blue rope in years, I prefer to leave planned confrontations to the current crop of professionals, with the taxpayer funded weapons, ammo, body armor, teamwork, commo, and loggy support.)<br /><br />When I carry (my job prevents that a lot of the time, as I work for .gov in the DC area), it's BECAUSE I cannot predict when and where something bad is going to happen.<br /><br />Unlike you, I seem to have misplaced my crystal ball.<br /><br />Now, perhaps you have the luxury of going straight from your house, to the range, and back home again, with no intervening stops. <br /><br />Me? I occaisionally DO STUFF when I leave the house. Including stopping for a burger, buying some ammo at Wally World on the way to a range, etc. Given that I choose to live out in the sticks, driving to a public range is not a "spur of the moment" thing, and I hate to spend a half hour up and a half hour back to do ONE THING ONLY.<br /><br />The question IS NOT "Why does Rick feel a need to carry a loaded weapon to a firing range?"<br /><br />The question is, "Why does MontanaBob feel so terrified at the thought that someone around him MIGHT have an inanimate object sitting safely in it's holster that he INSISTS that everyone in the vicinity be put at risk of death by REQUIRING unnecessary and unsafe gun handling?"<br /><br />You know -- I'm quite willing to clear the weapon, if the range rules require it. No problemo. Be THRILLED to oblige.<br /><br />I only insist that the range then provide a SAFE place to unload when I arrive and then reload before I leave, keeping in mind that the overwhelming majority of accidental or negligent discharges occur when loading or unloading a firearm.<br /><br />And I refuse to allow YOUR pathologically unfounded fears prevent me from being lawfully armed on the way to or from the range. <br /><br />Again, I refer you to that crystal ball thing -- perhaps you could enlighten us as to which brand and model you favor, and where you ordered yours? Becuase we'd ALL love to have one so we could be cool like you.<br /><br />Why, MontanaBob, do you insist on INCREASING the danger of accidental and negligent discharges? <br /><br />Why are you so paranoid about harmless machines that don't do anything when they are LEFT THE HELL ALONE? <br /><br />Why are you so terrified that inanimate objects will somehow decide to anitmate themselves that you will knowingly and willingly endanger EVERYONE in the near area to keep your pants-wetting (but as realistic as my 4-year-old's fear that the Big Bad Wolf might get get out of her dreams and into her bedroom) terror at bay?<br /><br />Requiring patrons to clear their HOLSTERED weapons does not make things safer.<br /><br />It makes things MORE dangerous.<br /><br />Unless you have a designated clearing zone, specifically laid out to EXPECT NDs in stupid directions.<br /><br />The parking lot does not qualify.Rick R.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-66766856080269496462009-08-05T04:30:53.752-04:002009-08-05T04:30:53.752-04:00Oh, cry me a river. You were the one who started w...Oh, cry me a river. You were the one who started with the 'tude, throwing around psychiatric diagnoses, sport.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-2392665038129424282009-08-04T23:08:45.564-04:002009-08-04T23:08:45.564-04:00Hey Rick, I shoot every week and there are plenty ...Hey Rick, I shoot every week and there are plenty of loaded firearms around my house. So stick that up your ass. Don't appreciate your attitude. I just don't see the reason for loaded carry, concealed or not, at the range. If your range is so dangerous that you feel like you're going to be attacked/mugged on the way from your car to the shooting line maybe you should 1. Find a new shooting range. 2. Check into a psychiatic facility, it would appear your paranoia needs medicating. or 3. STAY HOME, my god man, there could be aliens right outside your door waiting to get you when you walk out to get the paper. <br /><br /><br />Wow. And I still don't see the need to carry loaded at the range, open or concealed. Really. My point is why. Oh, paranoia. Can't reason with that, so will have to check out of this discussion. I forgot all you self made urban commandos live in a constant state of fear that someone is going to attack you. I don't, the paranoia is in check. I shoot, reload, collect guns and enjoy my past time. I have a CCW. There are loaded weapons in the house-no kids-. I carry, a 25 auto. And I do shoot it fairly regularly. If the need arises to start shooting in a confrontation then I guess we'll have to see if that is enough. Guess I'm not as manly, paranoid or urban commando as the rest of you. I feel better about myself for that too. <br /><br />Tooly McToolerson checking out now. Up yours too, Tam.montanabobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03928259210422459449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-62943744944995561082009-08-04T21:14:15.373-04:002009-08-04T21:14:15.373-04:00Saw somewhere recently someone's suggestion to...Saw somewhere recently someone's suggestion to get a couple of the quick-detatch holsters so that when removing from belt to stow you didn't have to unholster. (Caleb's I think). Wouldn't fix the issue at hand, but it reduces the amount of times you have to touch metal.<br /><br />(WC: chingshe - wasn't that one of the curses on Firefly?)Ian Argenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03704336044732061128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-21644632416474970822009-08-04T17:40:09.929-04:002009-08-04T17:40:09.929-04:00Montanabob --
Again, teh "guns that aren;t ...Montanabob -- <br /><br />Again, teh "guns that aren;t being fooled with don;t go off by themselves" applies in teh parking lot as well. In fact, if someone has an AD or ND, it's probably BETTER they have it on the firing line than out in the asphalt or concrete parking lot.<br /><br />Why would I have a loaded pistol on when I go to the range? For teh same reason that I would have one on when I stop by Mickey D's for a fat pill -- becuase Bad Guys don;t call ahead for appointments.<br /><br />I also recall what my partner told me when I started working at the gun store at 21. "Rick, the absolute most likely times you will see a Bad Guy in this line of work are when you show up to open, and when you are staying to close. They don't want money -- if they wanted money, they'd hit a grocery store on Friday night. They want untraced guns, and this is where the guns are -- and they're gonna kill every witness here, so the cops don't have a good description. That's you and me, kid."<br /><br />Gyuess what, Montanabob? The parking lot of a public range, ESPECIALLY one seperated from teh firing line by a berm, bushes, or a fence, is another place one can scopp up a crapload of guns -- and where, in YOUR perfect world, every single gun out there will be unloaded. Plus teh fact that when you're toting your gun case, ammo box, and range bag, your hands are too damned full to change that fact any time before your new friend is at slide lock.<br /><br />Grow up, and admit to yourself -- a lot of us don't really give much of a damn about your once a year trip to the range to blow the cobwebs out of your duck gun. We're there to hone skills that are supposed to keep ourselves and our families if everything goes wrong one day. <br /><br />Along that line of thinking, we ALSO realize that, unlike duck season, mugging season is NOT scheduled in advance.Rick R.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-56039499047337607762009-08-04T14:11:55.803-04:002009-08-04T14:11:55.803-04:00Montanabob, one good reason for carrying a loaded ...Montanabob, one good reason for carrying a loaded gun to the range is because Bad Guys know what ranges are and what people bring to them. There have been incidents of people being robbed of their guns by folks who followed their "I live in White" selves home and robbed them in their driveway. Stupid, but it happens.<br /><br />I always have a loaded gun and a couple of spare mags in the vehicle when I go shoot. Most of the time, they're in the vehicle because they're on me, and I'm in the vehicle. It's that whole CCW thing.The Freeholderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09989697995675652792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-53107946150915870252009-08-04T07:10:09.777-04:002009-08-04T07:10:09.777-04:00montanabob, are all the fire extinguishers in your...montanabob, are all the fire extinguishers in your home empty?<br /><br />Where I live we carry guns. These guns are loaded (see Rule #1). I feel no more manly than the police who carry guns.<br /><br />Cold range rules are unsafe as these rules mandate unnecessary gun handling. In the Eagle Creek parking lot the rules mandate gun handling with I-65/465 as one's backstop. This rule is foolish and danger to my fellow citizens.<br /><br />Shootin' BuddyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-48995160778896041842009-08-04T01:07:00.066-04:002009-08-04T01:07:00.066-04:00I am amazed that it took a whole 49 comments for T...I am amazed that it took a whole 49 comments for Tooly McToolerson to show up.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-71819023068533680902009-08-04T00:49:42.070-04:002009-08-04T00:49:42.070-04:00Well, here's a thought. Why do you insist on ...Well, here's a thought. Why do you insist on carrying loaded firearms to the range? When I go to the range, the guns go in a range box, the ammo goes in the box, guns are loaded at the range, fired, unloaded and returned to the box......empty. Do you feel much more manly having carried a loaded weapon to the range? Oooo, good for you. I think that loaded, holstered weapons off the firing line are bad idea. If you feel the need to be macho and walk around with a loaded pistol in an "open" carry mode then please go home and do it. People do stupid things, all the time. That's what makes us people. Don't think it can happen to you, guess again bud. I've seen two holes shot in walls of houses with guns in the hands of people that "knew what they were doing with loaded guns". Hell, I've done a stupid thing--with an unloaded pistol. Something bad, at some point, WILL happen to EVERYONE around firearms. Minimize the theatrics, quit playing Assault Hero and leave the loaded guns at home or in the car. Don't bring them to the range just to carry around. Leave it in your Porsche/Z3/Hummer/P.O.S. truck or whatever else your middle age/ middle 20's/old age life crisis dictates you must have.montanabobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03928259210422459449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-22205575113967515162009-08-04T00:20:25.309-04:002009-08-04T00:20:25.309-04:00I'd think if the issue were an insurance one, ...I'd think if the issue were an insurance one, the rules would be consistent. They aren'...at least not here.<br /><br />I know of two indoor ranges that have no problem with loaded, holstered firearms, concealed or otherwise. Holstered is considered safe.<br /><br />I know of two other ranges that have prominent signs proclaiming "no loaded guns". Needless to say, I don't go to those ranges.<br /><br />Heck, there's even one gun dealer who doesn't even have a range on premises that has a "no loaded guns" sign on his door. Luckily, he's an ass and his prices are too high so I wouldn't patronize his business anyway.<br /><br />The point being, I don't think it has anything to do with insurance. I think it has to do with people not thinking things through well enough. It's "conventional wisdom" not to allow loaded guns, so they don't. And don't even consider the ramifications, logic, or unintended consequences of the decision.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-51913479962246162542009-08-03T19:13:11.261-04:002009-08-03T19:13:11.261-04:00SB, I was just goofing on you, you are a model of ...SB, I was just goofing on you, you are a model of probity.<br /><br />I, being as white as can be, actually HAVE used the "This is because I'm (or he's, when dealing with a difficult Euro-American) black, isn't it?" comment. At the right moment, it can definitely ease things up.<br /><br />Go for it, you should get the crazy points. Extras if you say it's because you're a black woman. And I DARE you to say gay black woman.staghoundshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05976667812875074135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-19441971812060470942009-08-03T17:46:23.273-04:002009-08-03T17:46:23.273-04:00I should add that one RO stays on the line while t...I should add that one RO stays on the line while the other(s) go out and post new targets. All shooters stay back a couple of feet from the benches and no one touches any guns, even people just showing up to shoot. We have them leave their guns in their cars till the range goes hot. <br /><br />The guy shooting the .308 above was at the last active station, so I just stayed down at that end and talked with him while watching up-line until my wife finished posting new targets.<br /><br />When RO'ing, I try to take into consideration the shooters' apparent experience and attitudes. Some obviously need closer supervision to keep a safe range. Also, I don't know it all, and I know I don't, so I often learn new things as I walk the line and talk with some of the older shooters or people shooting odd firearms. Often I get offers to try out their guns. Which is fun, if the line is otherwise light with experienced shooters.<br /><br />Rick - Yeah, shooting from the holster isn't allowed on the public range. Too easy to screw up with other shooters too close to the sides. The range I shoot IDPA at has all shooters in the queue at least 6' behind the active shooter, and no crossdraw or shoulder holsters are allowed for competition. Can't keep from breaking the 180 degree rule they have.Steve Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-30952490088279102552009-08-03T16:38:31.738-04:002009-08-03T16:38:31.738-04:00Steve,
I can dig your rules. ESPECIALLY for a pu...Steve,<br /><br />I can dig your rules. ESPECIALLY for a public range where no organized "draw from teh holster" event is going on (those need different rules, and a helluva lot more safety officers).Rick R.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-71682775542715649272009-08-03T15:04:36.068-04:002009-08-03T15:04:36.068-04:00I RO'd yesterday at the public range here. Ho...I RO'd yesterday at the public range here. Holstered is considered cased, but once it comes out of the holster, it stays out till the shooter leaves. CC or not, doesn't matter.<br /><br />Had a kid (14) accidentally turn a handgun (slide was back on an empty mag) sideways as he set it down while I was standing just behind him to the left. I leaned forward, put my hand over his, and turned it back forward. Let him know gently why what he did was incorrect and showed him who he pointed it at (his dad). No true harm was done (remember, the slide was back on an empty mag), but he got the point (and a look from Mom when he turned around). I doubt he'll do that again.<br /><br />Generally, our range "requires" guns to be unloaded, actions open when the ROs go downrange to replace targets. I had one guy yesterday who was shooting a bolt-action with an internal mag. I asked him to unload it, and when he voiced an understandable objection, I asked if he could simply remove the bolt. He did, and that was good enough for me FOR THIS PARTICULAR SHOOTER. I wouldn't necessarily let an obvious noob do it (but then again, maybe I would), but this guy, yeah. He understood my concern, and since he didn't have to eject the rounds to make me satisfied, he was happy enough.Steve Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-23062450942762715732009-08-03T14:07:52.331-04:002009-08-03T14:07:52.331-04:00Geweher98,
So you've been an RSO since 1992? ...Geweher98,<br /><br />So you've been an RSO since 1992? Yay for you -- you're special.<br /><br />I've been a carded RSO since 1988. I've been an assistant (uncarded) RSO since I was a kid in 1982. I've trained RSOs and certified them. I've ALSO been (and am currently carded as) a range safety officer for things ranging from handguns through demolitions and 155mm artillery (I do NOT have my air-ground or air-air tickets, nor do I plan on getting them as I'm not an aviator).<br /><br />I understand rules about no drawing and firing from the holster. I, too, have painted over the scars in the floor and patched the holes in the roof when the police or rent-a-cops used the range I worked at for qualification. I've watched a police sergeant send his S&W 1006 sliding downrange because he went bowling on his draw and whacked his wrist against the lane divider wall.<br /><br />I am not impressed with your argument.<br /><br />Forcing people to finger-fiddle guns CAUSES negilgent discharges. That is WHY clearing barrels were invented.<br /><br />I have watched DOZENS of people blast one off while administratively loading or unloading a weapon -- usually becuase they're the kind of moron you wouldn't want drawing form the holster anywhere within one terrain feature. I've also seen true ADs (rather than NDs) from guys I would (and have) trust with my life, or teh lives of my family.<br /><br />Leaving loaded guns alone does NOT cause negligent discharges. ESPECIALLY if they are in a holster.<br /><br />Let's be clear here -- guns that that DO NOT go off in the parking lot or the entrance to the range are a GOOD THING. Guns that crank off rounds anywhere but downrange at a valid target with a safe backstop are a BAD THING.<br /><br />If you MUST have a "no loaded guns on the range, except when actually firing", then you MUST have a "gun handling" point where people can SAFELY clear their weapons before coming on teh range and SAFELY reload before leaving, where an RSO can SAFELY OBSERVE them to ensure everything is OK. <br /><br />A clearing barrel is BARELY adequate -- a clearing barrel inside a horseshoe berm, in case Elmer Fudd blasts one off when the muzzle is NOT in the shooty hole is better.Rick R.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-18732397785957501132009-08-03T10:41:19.232-04:002009-08-03T10:41:19.232-04:00Some people seem to be confusing "hot range&q...Some people seem to be confusing "hot range" and "360-degree shoot house".<br /><br />A hot range, at least as I understand it, means that the pistol in a holster may be loaded. It doesn't mean you can handle guns while the range is cold or handle guns anyplace other than the firing line or even that you can shoot from the leather. Wal-Mart is a "hot range" if you live in a CCW state; you have no earthly idea how many of your fellow shoppers are carrying loaded guns.<br /><br />What I want to minimize is people handling guns. If Cletus goes to draw from the leather on a range when he's not supposed to, there's an RSO there to do something about it. Who's RO'ing in the parking lot when he's clearing his guns to comply with the sign?Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-5670895271019945012009-08-03T10:28:41.339-04:002009-08-03T10:28:41.339-04:00If I were Benevolent Dictator for Life, all ranges...If I were Benevolent Dictator for Life, all ranges would be hot.<br /><br />But if someone manages to shoot himself or someone else, the press would have a field day "they all walk around with *loaded guns*!!11!!" and the range would be closed.<br /><br />It's a big thing, being responsible for what happens at a range, and I'm glad other people are prepared to do that. I do my best to try to keep them happy :-)wrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14102470737392693528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-38504405262674295672009-08-03T10:05:03.488-04:002009-08-03T10:05:03.488-04:00I don't want to get into the "been an RSO...I don't want to get into the "been an RSO since dirt was new" kinda thing. Suffice to say I've been one a LONG time and am all for "hot ranges" and long ago concluded that the more times folks have to "clear" the potential for an ND goes exponential. At some times I'd swear about half of the shooting I've heard in "combat zones" was into "clearing barrels". At "Orange" Gunsite I recall the rule was "We don't care what condition you're carrying as long as you're holstered." Words to live by.Boat Guynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-25408451897213833252009-08-03T09:18:31.691-04:002009-08-03T09:18:31.691-04:00Is it possible that the rule of "no loaded gu...<i>Is it possible that the rule of "no loaded guns in holsters on the firing line", or the equivalents that several other commenters have cited, was originally intended to give the range safety officer a chance to see how a CCW range user handles clearing their weapon?</i><br /><br />No. It's there to prevent Cletus and Bobby from blowing a hole in the roof, the target stands, other shooters, or themselves while playing Wild Bill. Since the range rules have to be consistent for all shooters, it gets applied to people who are competent to practice presentation drills.<br /><br />But you're right. The "no handling guns on a cold range" rule ought to take precedence over the "no guns in leather" rule. Or they need to find an isolated area where the gun can be cleared safely.Jeff the Baptisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13978930508610389584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-82869140905190300882009-08-03T04:11:59.251-04:002009-08-03T04:11:59.251-04:00"Most shooters are redneck, country folk type..."<i>Most shooters are redneck, country folk types who've been shooting since we could walk. And I can't remember the last time that we had an accident at this particular range.</i>"<br /><br />Well, we're all kind of citified and new to firearms, so what would you expect? ;)Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-27998535279413193532009-08-03T02:03:24.358-04:002009-08-03T02:03:24.358-04:00It's amazing reading these comments. The range...It's amazing reading these comments. The range I frequent is a public one with no RO, and believe me, the range is hot. Loaded weapons on hips, CCW's, and loaded weapons all around. Now, everybody will lay their rifles or handguns on the tables when the range is going cold to allow folks to check/change targets. Most everybody will lock the recivers and slides back before going downrange, but there's no RO to enforce this. Most shooters are redneck, country folk types who've been shooting since we could walk. And I can't remember the last time that we had an accident at this particular range. I'm just amazed at the cold ranges, the rules, the RO's and the accidents. I never would shoot at a place like that!lonevikinghttp://sagebrushandadventures.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-22458086412018730572009-08-02T23:32:00.285-04:002009-08-02T23:32:00.285-04:00Our (members only) range has the "cold range&...Our (members only) range has the "cold range" rule, but the rules regarding transporting weapons to/from the line are simple. <br /><br />Weapons may be transported to the line at any time, but must be either [a] action open, magazine removed (if applicable) or [b] cased. Their definition of cased includes holstered. Once you get to the line, you do not handle your weapon except when the line is hot. <br /><br />Perhaps you could suggest a similar rule be put in place there?Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08228198090205440895noreply@blogger.com