tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post8806868126243912380..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: "Fit and Finish"Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-85394425380337479112014-08-28T20:34:56.451-04:002014-08-28T20:34:56.451-04:00Re: ARs. If you're building a "work of ar...Re: ARs. If you're building a "work of art," you misunderstand the platform. As I have said elsewhere, it's a service rifle, not a Fabergé egg. <br /><br />Re: "Of course, there are a lot of 1911s out there that people think are "custom" that are assembled from bins of drop-in parts"<br /><br />Cough, the creep who uses the name and crest of my regiment as one of his model names, but never actually showed up there, cough.Hognosehttp://www.weaponsman.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-73404990931335446192014-08-26T13:05:17.593-04:002014-08-26T13:05:17.593-04:00No, Mike, I believe you misunderstood my point.No, Mike, I believe you misunderstood my point.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-12295073329673351472014-08-26T12:34:58.152-04:002014-08-26T12:34:58.152-04:00I am not sure I would lump BCM in with the "a...I am not sure I would lump BCM in with the "any monkey" crowd. Constant QC checks and a system that rejects some 40% of the raw materials is not indicative of poo-flinging on the assembly line. Paul is moving more production in-house as fast as possible due to parts suppliers' inability to get him in-spec parts. I do get your point, but I think it was an imperfect delivery.Mike Gallohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333382103025419480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-55123075073459993472014-08-24T19:46:56.685-04:002014-08-24T19:46:56.685-04:00Agree at about the 85 to 95% level. As a competit...Agree at about the 85 to 95% level. As a competitive highpower shooter I know of a small handful of builders who put out something different from the crowd. John Hollinger of White Oak Arms builds very high performance ARs. He doesn't charge a premium. His whole rifles are more than the sum their parts. Ask most any competitive across-the-course shooters at the Master or High Master classification.<br />On the whole, however, there's just not a lot of difference in what builders do.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11593580215330583040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-53468677178727648422014-08-24T11:20:07.798-04:002014-08-24T11:20:07.798-04:00I've only taken part in the building of a coup...I've only taken part in the building of a couple of ARs from a pile of parts, but Tam's right... they're like Legos. Anyone with good instructions (or even Youtube) can slap the parts together and have it work rather well. That's a plus of Stoner's design.<br /><br />If you want a different and more labor intensive experience, try building an AKM from a parts kit. That's more like blacksmithing that gunsmithing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-10643848444368409062014-08-24T09:50:56.272-04:002014-08-24T09:50:56.272-04:00@Windy
Picak-a-brick
There was also DESIGN byME bu...@Windy<br /><a href="http:http://shop.lego.com/en-US/Pick-A-Brick-ByTheme" rel="nofollow">Picak-a-brick</a><br />There was also DESIGN byME but they seem to have discontinued that for now.TimDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-21281077481688359652014-08-24T07:48:40.667-04:002014-08-24T07:48:40.667-04:00Windy: You've been shopping in the wrong place...Windy: You've been shopping in the wrong places. You can buy boxes of what I call 'base blocks' for Lego.Toastridernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-9453447815121185922014-08-24T06:00:12.211-04:002014-08-24T06:00:12.211-04:00I guess that at the time I did. I don't now. S...I guess that at the time I did. I don't now. Sorry.JFMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-59094004375072605622014-08-24T01:00:52.979-04:002014-08-24T01:00:52.979-04:00I'm sincerely curious as to whether you though...I'm sincerely curious as to whether you thought I was unaware of Turnbull's ARs?Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-54232135501138394992014-08-24T00:44:52.869-04:002014-08-24T00:44:52.869-04:00Doug Turnbull makes .308 & .223 ARs. The fit a...Doug Turnbull makes .308 & .223 ARs. The fit and finish is............nice.JFMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-67618669453793581832014-08-23T22:52:56.347-04:002014-08-23T22:52:56.347-04:00My nephew likes lego, and I have to tell you, it w...My nephew likes lego, and I have to tell you, it would be almost impossible to buy the particular legos to make the pictured Lego AR. Legos now come with illustrated, step-by-step instructions, and specialized pieces that would give Tamiya or Revell pause, for cryin' out loud! There is almost no way to make it other than the way the kit and instructions call for, and wrong. The end of the Republic is upon us!Windy Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01951254236693386401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-9012851995132993382014-08-23T21:25:54.759-04:002014-08-23T21:25:54.759-04:00Tam;
Oh, you are so correct.
There is no compariso...Tam;<br />Oh, you are so correct.<br />There is no comparison between building a good 1911 and any AR.Rogernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-71010445619456509192014-08-23T20:58:53.375-04:002014-08-23T20:58:53.375-04:00"Parts-swappers are "armorers". A &...<br />"Parts-swappers are "armorers". A "gunsmith" is someone you can hand a chunk of steel, lock into a machine shop, and have them come out with a finished firearm."<br /><br />You got that right. I know a guy who hangs out a shingle that says "Watchmaker". He mostly does repairs, but on his wrist is a gold watch of unspeakable beauty, thin as a quarter, which winds with a key that is part of the latch of the band. It has zero adornment on it, and it is his actual masterpiece, as in the piece he made to obtain his master's certificate. Despite the dumbing of the race, there are still craftsmen. oghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07551049745184408924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-56194409180456965272014-08-23T20:16:46.188-04:002014-08-23T20:16:46.188-04:00I looked at the photo without reading the article ...I looked at the photo without reading the article and thought ... That would be a <i>bitch</i> to Cerakote that pattern. All that asking and re-spraying would take weeks! <br /><br />Then I thought it would be a pretty cool project. BillCahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01599568828409025725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-18627089533695627832014-08-23T19:48:33.696-04:002014-08-23T19:48:33.696-04:00Do I get credit for the hand turned and headspaced...Do I get credit for the hand turned and headspaced barrel?Sean D Sorrentinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02710448105506060349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-30390812642986962852014-08-23T19:36:09.753-04:002014-08-23T19:36:09.753-04:00Just as an aside:
There are a lot of people on th...Just as an aside:<br /><br />There are a lot of people on this planet who call themselves "gunsmiths" or "pistolsmiths" who don't even know how to work a lathe or a mill.<br /><br />The first commenter to this post is not one of them. Y'all might want to listen to Spear if he talks about making guns work.<br /><br />Parts-swappers are "armorers". A "gunsmith" is someone you can hand a chunk of steel, lock into a machine shop, and have them come out with a finished firearm.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-33798667092107112662014-08-23T17:11:00.196-04:002014-08-23T17:11:00.196-04:00"...I'd expect somebody who was machining..."...I'd expect somebody who was machining their own billet steel uppers and lowers that were oversize and needed hand-fitting to mate up to charge an arm and a leg."<br /><br />Question is, why would you be machining steel instead of 7075-T6 aluminum alloy billet or similar?<br /><br />BTW, the Lego Camo pattern reminded me of this:<br /><br />http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gun-paint-company-taunts-mayor-bloomberg-paints-named-article-1.289420<br /><br />Ednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-34939258745440560372014-08-23T16:25:25.279-04:002014-08-23T16:25:25.279-04:00It's a perfect setup. Bobbi could be your wis...It's a perfect setup. Bobbi could be your wisecracking engineer/sidekick.Fuzzy Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03802539927743643041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-80485249921160739002014-08-23T16:11:13.573-04:002014-08-23T16:11:13.573-04:00This post makes me so happy :)This post makes me so happy :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-76427452492506217902014-08-23T15:36:28.721-04:002014-08-23T15:36:28.721-04:00I'm pretty sure with a minimal replacement of ...I'm pretty sure with a minimal replacement of technical terms, thus rant is equally applicable to "hand built" computers vs, say, alienware or falcon northwest. In fact, the last desktop computer I bought, I did take the bill of materials over to newegg, and determined that I was fact willing to pay the small premium to avoid spending a weekend cussing with a screwdriver and donating blood from my knuckles. Plus I got a single source warranty out of the deal.Ian Argenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03704336044732061128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-35090954551919077662014-08-23T15:17:39.236-04:002014-08-23T15:17:39.236-04:00Somewhere in the US, some school-aged kid will eit...Somewhere in the US, some school-aged kid will either make a LEGO gun or take a picture of one to school, where he will be suspended. Outrage will ensue.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11402651457453813639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-84122019543437525862014-08-23T14:02:26.399-04:002014-08-23T14:02:26.399-04:00billf,
Yeah, I'd expect somebody who was mach...billf,<br /><br />Yeah, I'd expect somebody who was machining their own billet steel uppers and lowers that were oversize and needed hand-fitting to mate up to charge an arm and a leg.<br /><br />Except that's not what I'm talking about here.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-37403562264500537092014-08-23T13:58:37.303-04:002014-08-23T13:58:37.303-04:00Tam,I'll admit before I start that you may hav...Tam,I'll admit before I start that you may have assembled more guns from parts than I have,and you may know more people in the gun industry than I do,but (there's always a 'but' isn't there),don't you have room in your imagination to allow for some high tech machine shop,with in-house CNC and casting technology to make their own proprietary parts for an AR that have to be machined and fitted just like the custom 1911's do?<br />And couldn't those hand fitted AR's look as nice and function as well as a XXXX 1911?<br />And,to me anyway,the nicest Glock ever made is still plastic junk.billfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07690744488630128475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-30099243559401165072014-08-23T13:51:06.654-04:002014-08-23T13:51:06.654-04:00I have timed it, and done both, the stipple job ta...I have timed it, and done both, the stipple job takes a little more time. Way more time if you want some fancy pattern and not just grip.<br /><br />-Spear-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com