tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post9034690650187307738..comments2023-11-10T04:17:00.492-05:00Comments on View From The Porch: A ≠ BTamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-36262491494702922382011-08-26T12:11:11.952-04:002011-08-26T12:11:11.952-04:00Please note, At no time did I name Perry to be &qu...Please note, At no time did I name Perry to be "Teh Grate Satan" when it comes to individual libertys. I am merely stating that, to me, him calling prayer meetings and getting all "God says this.." raises a flag that his moral compass might not point the same direction as mine. In my experience, devoutly religous types DO tend to try to codify their moral beliefs into law (and yes, that includes those who pray at the alter of Global Warming). If you don't see that READ A FUCKING HISTORY BOOK DAMNIT! So, in my opinion, it bears looking into. Which I did, and oops! Yes, he has stated support for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, and he also supports teaching of "intelligent design" in schools, which is basicly teaching "GOD made the world" to our kids regardless of what religion we are.<br /><br />And guess what! My kids ARE christians (I'm not, but they go to church with their Grandma) but I don't think the government (public schools are run by the government... duh) should be forcing that religious belief onto ALL (public school) kids without regard to their religion. I'm also not gay, but I don't think our government should be enforcing judeo-christian ideas of marriage. Marriage, in my view, belongs in the relm of religion. MY religion says that people should be allowed to marry whomever they love, regardless of gender (including more than one as long as everyone involved consents). Perry is wanting a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT enforcing the judeo-christian ideal of marriage onto everyone, christian and non-christian alike.<br /><br />mariner: You have the right to dislike gay marriage you want. If your reasoning for doing so is other than a religous one, I would love to hear what it is. So far, I have heard a couple of non-religous reasons for banning gay marriage but all of them were either biggoted (as in "I hate fags") or disturbingly selfish (having to do with paying for health insurance for gay couples).<br /><br />sStuart the Vikinghttp://drunkenroundtable.squarespace.com/vikingblog/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-64759692626078906752011-08-26T04:31:00.140-04:002011-08-26T04:31:00.140-04:00Calvinist? Ugh. I attend an Anglican church. We fi...Calvinist? Ugh. I attend an Anglican church. We finesse the free will and the predestination with the ritual. When the guy hands me the cup, and says, "This is the blood of Christ, which was shed for you!" what can I say but Yes, and please let me have some?Justthisguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17277333206171756636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-68923652644230801152011-08-25T22:39:56.627-04:002011-08-25T22:39:56.627-04:00The "American Family Association" is, IM...The "American Family Association" is, IMO, the VPC/Brady Campaign of the First Amendment.<br /><br />Here's their point guy on political and civil liberties issues:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Fischer<br /><br />The Nanny State and the Moral Majority State are equally repugnant to me. I consider myself a Christian, but nowhere does the Bible suggest that Christians oughta compel others to live by their beliefs via the police power of the state, and I'd say it makes a pretty strong case *against* it.benEzranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-13016049742038253002011-08-25T12:12:58.174-04:002011-08-25T12:12:58.174-04:00I don't think anyone will produce a giant mezu...I don't think anyone will produce a giant mezuzah for Obama... <br />http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/jews-perry_591358.html <br /><br />Not that it makes/breaks Perry as candidate.LauraBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07597941562529910169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-47527411208439472092011-08-25T00:08:38.381-04:002011-08-25T00:08:38.381-04:00"I'm afraid that his is dangerously close..."I'm afraid that his is dangerously close to that point."<br /><br />I'm afraid that all he is doing is pandering to the religiosity of the fuzzy-wuzzies, just like every other GOP politician is going to do.<br /><br />I have no problems with any man's religion as long as he isn't using it as a justification to help himself to my life, liberty or property.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11308171394825291900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-560193851645757442011-08-25T00:08:06.400-04:002011-08-25T00:08:06.400-04:00On the other hand, Democrat candidates rarely make...<i>On the other hand, Democrat candidates rarely make a big issue of religion because, ever since the last days of Jimmy Carter, Religious America has been in the GOP's hip pocket. </i><br /><br />I respectfully beg to differ.<br /><br />The Catholic church (oogles of money) is most certainly not in the GOP's hip pocket.<br /><br />And, come down to the South and check out any of the black churches. No shortage of money there, either. (Just check out how the preachers are dressed and what they drive and how they eat.)<br /><br />I don't think anyone's accused them of being in the GOP's hip pocket.<br /><br />And then there are the mosques and temples. . . And just how many synagogues send dump truck loads of money to the GOP the way they do to the DNC?<br /><br />--AOAAn Ordinary Americanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17848364015817985349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-22748978146102637662011-08-24T23:47:42.284-04:002011-08-24T23:47:42.284-04:00Anon did have a point about libertarians. Too many...Anon did have a point about libertarians. Too many care passionately about their rights, but don't give a damn about responsibility. And that may be why, in a country where a significant percentage of adults share their principles, the party doesn't get much traction. Seems ironic.<br /><br />wv: comer. What one falls into, after a traffic accident, in Maine.Beaumontnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-22920814239176183172011-08-24T20:44:28.763-04:002011-08-24T20:44:28.763-04:00As yours.As yours.oghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07551049745184408924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-37995696682940762052011-08-24T20:40:50.662-04:002011-08-24T20:40:50.662-04:00Og,
"Dictionary.com (only because I'm no...Og,<br /><br />"<i>Dictionary.com (only because I'm not home and don't have current access to my Collegiate) defines Religion as...</i>"<br /><br />That whistling noise over your head was The Point.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-42505574348184139522011-08-24T20:37:50.692-04:002011-08-24T20:37:50.692-04:00Anon 5:22,
"Then you automatically try to in...Anon 5:22,<br /><br />"<i>Then you automatically try to infer a relationship between religion and authoritarianism.</i>"<br /><br />Fuck you. I did not.<br /><br />Go look up "orthogonal" and get back to me.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-73790244649657677472011-08-24T19:28:56.063-04:002011-08-24T19:28:56.063-04:00My question is whatever happened to Gary Johnson? ...My question is whatever happened to Gary Johnson? Was there some serious objection to him that I'm not aware of?Sandlapperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10112314087780422239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-22202949876157940742011-08-24T18:26:53.963-04:002011-08-24T18:26:53.963-04:00Stuart the Viking,
He also opposes same sex marria...Stuart the Viking,<br /><i>He also opposes same sex marriages, and supports a constitutional ammendment banning same. All because "GOD" says it's wrong.</i><br />I oppose same-sex marriage, but "GOD" didn't tell me it's wrong.<br /><br />So that's OK, right?marinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03435598676103731157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-2703200691479748952011-08-24T18:23:08.261-04:002011-08-24T18:23:08.261-04:00Caleb,
Can you actually point to an instance of Ri...Caleb,<br /><i>Can you actually point to an instance of Rick Perry supporting, either verbally or in writing, "regulating morality?"</i><br /><br />No need for silly things like facts, or examples. And all right-thinking people <b>know</b> that nobody but extremist right-wing Christians [spit] would ever try to "regulate morality".<br /><br />The commenter is signalling that he's a cool kid, and some commenters here are following suit.marinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03435598676103731157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-82559044229009410542011-08-24T17:54:45.173-04:002011-08-24T17:54:45.173-04:00It's amazing how the tinfoil hats --right. lef...It's amazing how the tinfoil hats --right. left, and other -- come out in droves at the mere mention of Perry's name. Considering that he is currently the frontrunner, I am buying stock in Reynolds Aluminum.Beaumontnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-69583235268683972122011-08-24T17:22:18.733-04:002011-08-24T17:22:18.733-04:00I suppose I am the only one that noticed it. You c...I suppose I am the only one that noticed it. You complain that liberty does not necessarily follow ore equate with religion.<br /><br />Then you automatically try to infer a relationship between religion and authoritarianism.<br /><br />I am not religious so I don't have a dog in that fight - but I will note that libertarians are a dime a dozen that know all about their rights and freedoms - and S.F.A. about personal responsibility.<br /><br />Anyone that can't tell the difference between Obama and Perry is an idiot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-84789150626279651402011-08-24T17:12:13.648-04:002011-08-24T17:12:13.648-04:00Also: the True Believers in Gloebull warmening are...Also: the True Believers in Gloebull warmening are succeeding in forcing things like the hosing up of cafe standards, forced use of stupid twisty light bulbs, etc. No right wing Christian no matter how strident will ever be able to undo Roe vs Wade, but your house, your car, and your electric company already must follow the rules of the Environmental Elect. Who is more dangerous?oghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07551049745184408924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-30095810891569948012011-08-24T17:08:05.423-04:002011-08-24T17:08:05.423-04:00"
You know good and well that's not what ..."<br />You know good and well that's not what was being referred to."<br /><br />I do in fact not know that. <br /><br />Dictionary.com (only because I'm not home and don't have current access to my Collegiate) defines Religion as:<br />"a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. "<br /><br />Tell me that Gloebull warmening and the malthusian envirowhackoism from which it stems does not fall handily into that definition. C'mon, tell me that. Also, try to tell me that warmistas are more tolerant of opposing views than, say, Presbyterians. <br /><br />This IS the religion of the left, or at least a powerful lot of them.oghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07551049745184408924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-14425749604446699522011-08-24T17:01:38.535-04:002011-08-24T17:01:38.535-04:00So, what fruits should I be looking for from a fri...So, what fruits should I be looking for from a friend of liberty?Tony Muhlenkampnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-23606619297687994272011-08-24T16:51:13.169-04:002011-08-24T16:51:13.169-04:00Og,
"Gloebull[sic] warmening[sic]"
You...Og,<br /><br />"<i>Gloebull</i>[sic] <i>warmening</i>[sic]"<br /><br />You know good and well that's not what was being referred to.<br /><br />The point by D.W. Drang and Stuart's rebuttal (both of which were valid and on the money) referred to religion <i>qua</i> religion.<br /><br />In other words, the MSM will never make an issue of the religious affiliation or a Democrat candidate, whereas a GOP candidate will be painted as a theocrat-in-training if they even allude to their faith. Bill Clinton could have closed-door prayer meetings with Tony Campolo 'til the cows came home and nobody in the media would say 'boo' about it.<br /><br />On the other hand, Democrat candidates rarely make a big issue of religion because, ever since the last days of Jimmy Carter, Religious America has been in the GOP's hip pocket. <br /><br />That's why during the primaries all the GOP candidates argue over who loves Jesus the most, because that's when the Evangelical vote matters. Once the primaries are over and the general election is heating up, the God Talk tapers off because the Flyover Evangelical Vote is toiling on the GOP plantation as much as the Urban Black Vote is on the Dem's.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-88484499386895602412011-08-24T16:27:06.214-04:002011-08-24T16:27:06.214-04:00"Show me an example of "Progressive/Libe..."Show me an example of "Progressive/Liberal/Socialist politicians' religious posturing" and I'll gladly get worked up about it. "<br /><br />Gloebull warmening.oghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07551049745184408924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-62707502379838257322011-08-24T16:03:00.669-04:002011-08-24T16:03:00.669-04:00"Rick Perry has also explicitly stated that t..."Rick Perry has also explicitly stated that things like same sex marriage and abortion should be left to the states to decide."<br /><br />Except that he has stated that he supports a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT to ban gay marriage. Funny how "states rights" goes right out the window when they become inconvenient.<br /><br />"When all of the "OMG (!), {insert Conservative Politican's Name here} is a CHRISTIAN!!!" start experiencing PSH over Progressive/Liberal/Socialist politicians' religious posturing, I'll take them seriously."<br /><br />HAHAHAHA!!! Oh wait, you are serious... well then... Show me an example of "Progressive/Liberal/Socialist politicians' religious posturing" and I'll gladly get worked up about it. <br /><br />On the other side of the coin, when Barry O started ridiculing people for clinging to their guns and bibles I was just as incenced at that. People have the right to whatever religion they so choose be it christianity, flying spagetty monster, or bastard son of bob (BSOB for short). The government should stay clear even of the appearance of advocating one over the other.<br /><br />"Sorry. I'll take bible thumping baptists- as much as I disagree with them on EVERYTHING, over what we got."<br /> <br />Well... I have to agree with you there, if that is the only option. Perry IS good on guns as far as I can see so there is at least THAT plus.<br /><br />sStuart the Vikinghttp://drunkenroundtable.squarespace.com/vikingblog/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-77867338940879806132011-08-24T15:53:16.952-04:002011-08-24T15:53:16.952-04:00"Robert, where exactly in the Constitution do..."Robert, where exactly in the Constitution do you find that right? Don't see it in my copy."<br /><br />Forgetting that whole Establishment Clause of the 1st there? Or are you just being disingenuous?<br /><br />FINRoberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02996122023499439670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-60083848947156109472011-08-24T14:18:30.292-04:002011-08-24T14:18:30.292-04:00"The American Family Association"
Oddl..."The American Family Association" <br /><br />Oddly enough I don't see anything the AFA has done that is inconsistent with the way freedom of speech is supposed to work; they seem to go out and protest peacefully against things they don't like. <br /><br />I have googled around a bit, and I don't seem to be able to find any of their members calling for God to Damn America, nor have any of them apparently ever bombed the pentagon. <br /><br />WV Czabamer. Czar Obamer.oghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07551049745184408924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-81807577630723684822011-08-24T14:07:04.141-04:002011-08-24T14:07:04.141-04:00Rick Perry has also explicitly stated that things ...Rick Perry has also explicitly stated that things like same sex marriage and abortion should be left to the states to decide. <br /><br />When all of the "OMG (<i>!</i>), {insert Conservative Politican's Name here} is a CHRISTIAN!!!" start experiencing PSH over Progressive/Liberal/Socialist politicians' religious posturing, I'll take them seriously. <br /><br />Let's not forget all the panic-mongering about how Kennedy was going to take orders (so to speak) from the Vatican...<br /><br />WV: medwas. "What kind of med was you on, anyway?"Dranghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08082177597135236652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15907727.post-52434275769335809662011-08-24T14:04:08.592-04:002011-08-24T14:04:08.592-04:00"But it does give me the right that they not ..."But it does give me the right that they not use my tax dollars in the process, or try to force me to do the same."<br /><br />Robert, where exactly in the Constitution do you find that right? Don't see it in my copy.Fuzzy Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03802539927743643041noreply@blogger.com