Tab Clearing...

• Wingo: The short-lived indoor shotgun wingshooting game.


• Training Terminology: Flash Sight Picture, Hammer, and Controlled Pair.


• Hipster Tactical reviews the Daewoo DP51.

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Totin' trends...

It's been interesting noticing the trends at TacCon now that I've been there for seven years.

The first one I attended, at DARC in Arkansas back in 2017, was largely after the "Caliber Wars" were over. I'm sure there were a few .40s and .45s in attendance, but 9mm was the overwhelmingly most common chambering and it wasn't even close.

I obviously didn't get pictures of everybody shooting in every class, but I'd feel pretty comfortable stating that probably half everybody was shooting a Glock of one variant or another, with M&Ps being the second most common, and the remainder a mishmash of Sig Sauers, HKs, and Berettas, mostly. I only got pictures of one guy using a red dot; an RMR mounted on an 9mm M&P.

Next year TacCon was at DARC again. Glocks were still the most common gun, but probably only a plurality at this point. Sig P320s were already vying with M&Ps as the second most commonly seen pistol. There were a handful of people using red dot optics in 2018, and John Johnston made it into the man-on-man shootoff with one.

At 2019, down in Louisiana at NOLATAC, there were more red dots, and Rick Remington won the shootoff with an RMR atop a 9mm Wilson. Glock alternatives continued to grow in popularity.

After a one-year hiatus during the Plague Year of 2020, TacCon was held at Dallas Pistol Club in 2021.

That's when I first started seeing significant numbers of the smaller pistols, like Glock 48s and Sig P365s. Red dots were commonly spotted in every class and were no longer limited to hardcore dot proponents who'd had pistol slides custom milled for RMRs.

2022 was back at DPC again. Red dots and smaller pistols were everywhere, even in the shootoffs.

2023? More of the same.

For 2024, the biggest difference I noticed was that there was a greater number of people who were willing to talk openly about living "the snubby lifestyle" à la Darryl Bolke. I spent the weekend at the the range, catching rides back to the hotel in the evenings; I'd get dinner and socialize in the lobby a bit and then head to my room to process photos. There weren't many potential scenarios I could visualize there that I didn't feel reasonably comfortable solving with a 3" .38 Special revolver, especially since I was surrounded most of the time by switched-on, like-minded individuals. 

Gear-wise, dots had become downright prevalent. Walthers had become more common. I don't know how Walther's doing in terms of overall market share, but they've certainly penetrated the serious training hobbyist demographic. The majority of optics were now Holosuns. Enclosed emitter optics were trending. If you added 365s and 320s and the few die-hards still shooting the hammer-fired classics together, there may have been as many Sigs as Glocks, if not actually more.

Pew! Pew! Pew!

The man-on-man shootoff against reactive targets at TacCon is always something worth watching.

LOL you loser

I’m sorry, I just can’t take a grown-ass man running around calling himself “IcyReaper” seriously.

Go stuff yourself in a locker, dork.

Eye Roll John Winger GIFfrom Eye Roll GIFs

Shooting at the Speed of Thought

From a worthwhile piece over at GAT Daily, titled "Don't Shoot":

Darryl Bolke likes to drive the point home that every round fired is its own individual use of force decision, requiring independent justification. Going back to the Bill Drill example, just because dude needed shot on round 1 doesn’t necessarily mean you’re cleared hot for all 6.

Whether the target drops their weapon, stops advancing, or whatever else, at some point they’re no longer presenting a reasonable threat to you. If you continue putting rounds into them after that point, it’s entirely possible that you’re at the very least complicating your defense and, worst case scenario, have surpassed the window of justifiable homicide entirely.

When I first heard Scott Jedlinski refer to sub-0.18 second shot-to-shot intervals as "jailbait splits", I had to chuckle because there's a very obvious double entendre there. The only way to shoot that fast is to have already decided to pull the trigger again while you're still in the middle of the previous shot. That's how you go fast on, e.g., a Bill Drill or a FAST or a Casino Drill. It's also how you wind up needing the courtroom services of an expert witness.

Here's the thing, though: If you can shoot that fast, if you have put in the work required to have the ability to run your gun at that level of automaticity, then shooting at decision-making speeds of .3 or .4 second splits feels positively leisurely.

Jon Hauptman put it in concise bumper sticker format with "Braking distance increases with speed" or, more pithily, ".17 in the sheets, .35 in the streets".

Going fast.

TacCon Roundup

Greg Ellifritz has posted his annual roundup of TacCon blog posts. Like he points out, "The conference consists of three days of material taught by 40 different world-class instructors. Each instructor teaches blocks on a variety of tactical topics lasting between two and eight hours long. It’s an opportunity to get a lot of top notch training at a very reasonable price."

The shooting blocks of instruction are limited to a certain number of shooters, and there's a signup process that happens ahead of time. Of course, there's always a cancellation or two, and so it's not uncommon to see one of the instructors take advantage of some downtime in their schedule to hop into one of those empty slots.

Tim Herron taking a class from Tim Kelly of Apache Solutions

Ernest Langdon taking a class from Wayne Dobbs of Hardwired Tactical Shooting

Tim Herron and Ernest Langdon have national championships under their belts and are both well-established, top-notch instructors, and they easily could have spent the spare time between the classes they were teaching hanging out in the shade and chilling, but instead they were out sitting in on classes with other instructors.

I think about that when I hear someone telling me how they're just way too cool for school...

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How fast is fast?

The Casino Drill from Tom Givens is a pretty good test of how well you think and shoot at the same time.

It's a 1911-neutral drill, since it only requires seven rounds in the gun to start, and two more magazines loaded with seven rounds each, for a total of twenty-one.

The target is one of those ones with the six colored shapes on it, numbered "1" through "6" (it's technically called the "DT-2A" target.) 

Stand with a holstered firearm at five yards from the target and, at the sound of the beep, fire one round at shape number 1, two rounds at shape number 2, three rounds at...you get the picture. Reload when necessary.

Par time is twenty-one seconds. This means you don't want to dawdle on your draw and slide-lock reloads.

Like I said, this test was designed with the 1911 in mind. With a striker-fired 9mm carry auto, I generally run in the twenty-point-something second range, barely under par. Maybe a little quicker if I've been doing a lot of shooting lately.

This isn't a revolver-neutral course of fire. Even a fast revolver reload is going to be slower than a middlin' decent semiauto slide-lock reload, and if you're running a six-shooter? Well, you've got a whole extra one of those slow revolver reloads in there.

Of course, if you're blazing fast with a revolver, like Caleb Giddings, that may not be that big of a deal...

21.89 with zero down and three on-the-clock revolver reloads...from speedloaders, not moon clips...is blistering. And with a plain-Jane medium-frame Taurus Model 82 with the grips wrapped in goon tape that looks like it came out of an evidence locker someplace. 

If he hadn't slightly pooched that middle reload, he might have skated under par.

If he'd been shooting a 7-shot revo, he'd have easily beaten my best auto time, and by a healthy margin.

If you want to up the difficulty or reintroduce an element of randomness that requires more thinking in the Casino Drill, you can do things like start from the number 6 target and work your way to number one. Have a friend call out whether you start on no. 1 or no. 6 right before the beep. Even better, have your friend load your magazines so that the twenty-one rounds are distributed in some different fashion than seven per mag, so that the reloads come by surprise. There are a jillion ways to introduce some added complexity.

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The Mechanics of the Safety

At the FN launch event where they showcased the High Power earlier this year, FN America's head of LE training was helping run the line. He caught sight of me repeatedly fiddling with the safety as I raised and lowered the pistol to my sight line and assumed he had to help a striker-fired shooter out. I had to explain to him that, no, I carried 1911s for years and was just getting a feel for the safety on the new High Power; I'm pretty religious about "On the sights, off safe. Off the sights, on safe."

Of course, that little mnemonic is simplistic, and safety use on a single-action defensive pistol is a little more complex than that.

Erick Gelhaus, who definitely knows what time it is when it comes to SAOs, has an excellent breakdown of sound safety usage in an article at American Cop that you should read.

My main carry gun for a decade. This picture should make you cringe a bit. "iT aIn'T lOw-DeD!"

Incidentally, this is one place where there is a very real difference of opinion between the proper employment of a single action pistol with a mechanical safety in action pistol shooting and for actual carry out where the targets will do more than disqualify you from the match if you crank off a round at the wrong time. 

I'm just going to say that there are a lot of things that I am fine with you doing with a pistol if I'm standing behind you holding a timer that I would be a lot less cool with you doing if I were standing downrange of you as a Human No-Shoot.

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QotD: No Donut Edition...

Greg Ellifritz is not impressed by the shooting skills of the average police officer. That doesn't let the average gun owner off the hook, though...

"So how good is the average cop? He or she is likely much better than the average CCW permit carrier who takes an eight-hour training class and doesn’t shoot much after that. He is likely better than the average recreational shooter. Not many casual plinkers shoot 100-500 rounds a year. If you are a decent level competitive shooter, you’ll probably shoot better than the average cop. If you are a recreational shooter with a few professional shooting school classes under your belt, you will probably shoot better as well."

I find a lot of people don't have a realistic estimate of their abilities with a pistol. Greg includes the course of fire for the Ohio state mandatory LEO qualification. You can probably look up the one for your state or, failing that, use the FBI's.

Try it and see. I think if you are even a moderately active competitive shooter, you'll find them a sobriety test more than any real challenge. If you only shoot seven yard targets from a static position on an indoor range every couple months, they might be considerably more challenging. It can be hard to find places that allow people to practice running a gun from the holster, for instance.

Karl Rehn of KR Training drawing from concealment.

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Carrying in comfort...

I hear an awful lot about how it's impossible to sit down while carrying a pistol in the appendix position, or to drive while carrying anywhere inside the waistband. This is never not amusing to me because I haven’t taken a roadtrip without wearing a pistol in an IWB holster since Saddam Hussein still had a house to call his own.

This trip to and from TacCon was no exception. Last Wednesday evening I drove the Zed Drei from Indianapolis to the exurbs of Cincinnati, which is a short hop of only a little over two hours, and then Thursday morning John Johnston and I departed for Dallas in his Honda Passport. That’s an interstate slog about fifteen hours long. Then we repeated it in the other direction on Monday.

I was carrying the pistol and holster I’m carrying every day and everywhere this year: the FN 509 Compact MRD with a Trijicon SRO optic and Streamlight TLR-7 light in a Henry Holsters Spark light-bearing rig, strong-side at about the 3:30 position. I was carrying that because I believe that rather than having an array of guns and holsters for special instances, it’s best to find a gun you run well and a holster you can wear in comfort, and use that same combination of gun and holster as much as possible. I don’t have a "Sunday gun" or a "roadtrip holster"; I just have my carry gun and my carry holster, and I carry them.

Meanwhile, John has just spent every bit of thirty hours driving halfway across the country and back with a Glock 45, complete with optic, WML, comp, and a spare 24-round magazine, in a Dark Star Gear Rigel attached to the PHLster light-bearing Enigma AIWB rig. Better than that, he was wearing yoga pants on the way out and sweat pants on the return voyage. 

The Enigma really is something all future-y, like from science fiction, since it divorces the ride height of your AIWB pistol from the waistband height of your pants, which is the single biggest comfort issue with appendix carry.

Visible in this picture: John Johnston
Not visible in this picture: comp'ed G45, Holosun 507, Surefire X300, spare 24-rd magazine

The above photo was, according to my iPhone, snapped somewhere just this side of Texarkana on the return trip, by which point we'd already been on the road several hours.

The Enigma is no barrier to adequate performance on the draw, either, as John's performance in the match proved. In the main match he placed eighth overall in a competitive field that included shooters like Gabe White and Scott "Jedi" Jedlinski, and in the 16-shooter man-on-man finals, he made it into the second round before getting eliminated by the dude who would wind up finishing second. And John was in basketball shorts.

JJRG in the process of winning the first bout

Bring the gun up, not your head down.

So, NJT was making some comment recently about keeping his head up while he was shooting, like it was something odd. Well, if it took neck surgery to get him to hold his head in the right place...

Look, NJT, here's K.C. Eusebio...

"Yeah, but he's some gamer with one of those newfangled dot sights!"

Okay, here's Dave Sevigny...

"Sure, sure, those are proper iron sights, but he's still a gamer!"

What about Ernest Langdon?

"Well, okay, he was in the Marines for a good bit, but he's done an awful lot of gaming!"

Sure, okay, so Tim Kennedy then? I don't think he does any gaming that doesn't involve choking people out and getting punched in the face.

Here's Scott Jedlinski, making a Glock sound like a buzzgun. This is about as hunched up as I've ever seen him shoot and you'll notice his head is still erect and he's looking straight forward.

Your eyes work best when they're pointed straight forward and not rolled halfway up into your skull. Bring the gun up to your face, don't try and stuff your face down on the gun. (I know turtling is a hard habit to break, believe me; it's a constant struggle for me.)

EDIT: Further discussion has me wanting to point out the several other benefits of this!

For example, it's more efficient and therefore faster. Leaving your head still and bringing the gun to your face is just faster and more repeatable than having your eyeline and the pistol both in motion at the same time and hoping to run across each other at some undefined point in space.

Because of this, it's also vastly superior for using optical sights. Hold your face still while looking at the target, and just stick the pistol between your face and the target. 

Proprioception! It's a real thing!

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Because Racegun

My initial look at the FN 509 LS Edge is up at RECOILweb:

"Developed with input from demanding shooters like Dave Sevigny and Tim Kennedy, the FN 509 LS Edge has a host of details to help it deliver the results. For instance, the suppressor-height irons, solid black in the rear and fiber optic with a bright green light pipe up front, line up for a lower-third co-witness on most miniature red-dot sights.

The magazine release, while still ambidextrous, has the right-hand button heavily beveled, almost flush with the frame. This keeps an aggressive high grip from inadvertently dislodging the mag. 

The lightening cuts in the slide of the FN 509 LS Edge aren’t just there to look oh-so-2020; they reduce the mass of the slide, helping to both keep the gun shooting flat and to remain compatible with the recoil spring assembly of its duty-size kin."

Dave Sevigny with the LS Edge

I was proud of the "you might say that a whole legion of Edge variants will follow this one in subsequent years" line. Especially because I first said it during the initial presentation.

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Changing of the Guard

The Year of Carrying Double-Action didn't work out the way I wanted it to. Initially I was going to tote the Langdon Beretta for a month or two at the beginning of 2019 while I sorted out which plastic double action I'd finish out the year with. One thing led to another and I wound up toting the LTT for the whole year and doing all my schooling and gaming that year with the Spaghetta. I didn't settle into carrying the Grayguns Sig SP2022 until the start of 2020...and then 2020 happened.

What little gun school I managed to get in this year was incidental to various product launches and therefore used whatever guns were provided there. While I toted the Sig for the whole year, between ammo shortages and 'Rona, it just didn't see much work. After Thanksgiving I just put the SP2022 away and finished out the year carrying a 1911 in a Milt Sparks VM-2, waiting for the calendar page to flip...

And now it's 2021 and time for my next CCW gun project. Like I said, I didn't get to much gun school last year, but what little I did all involved shooting dot-sighted guns. Plus, early last year I wrapped up a 2,000 round test on the FN 509 Compact MRD with the Trijicon SRO. I was intrigued by the little gun, only slightly larger than a Glock 26, but with an optic, a usefully-sized accessory rail, and a 12+1 round capacity (15+1 with the 'stendo).

So the plan is for 2021's carry gun to be the little peanut butter colored FN with a mounted Trijicon SRO and a Streamlight TLR-7. I'm initially carrying it in a Spark holster generously provided by Henry Holsters. For now it's strong-side IWB until I shed the COVID nineteen (probably closer to COVID twenty-five, but the bathroom scale's on the fritz).

Whatever classes I manage to enroll in or matches I manage to shoot this year will be with the little FN. The idea of a subcompact pistol with a reasonable mag capacity and a usefully-bright WML is intriguing. I'm not a believer in the necessity of a WML on a carry gun, but I think they're very useful on a firearm used for home defense. Traditionally, this meant either carrying a bulky light you didn't need, or using separate pistols for carry & home, or mounting and removing a WML on your carry gun every morning and evening...none of which are what I'd call optimal solutions. So this is kind of a workaround for all that, a "have your cake and eat it, too" thing.

We'll see.

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Found on Facebook...

Uncommon Sense on Mass Shootings

Neil deGrasse Tyson brought out statistics in an attempt to inject some perspective into an emotionally-charged situation, perhaps to calm fears...

In the past 48hrs, the USA horrifically lost 34 people to mass shootings.

On average, across any 48hrs, we also lose…

500 to Medical errors
300 to the Flu
250 to Suicide
200 to Car Accidents
40 to Homicide via Handgun

Often our emotions respond more to spectacle than to data.

— Neil deGrasse Tyson (@neiltyson) August 4, 2019

Instead, all it did was rustle jimmies and Tyson wound up throwing himself on his swor...er, keyboard after a vicious public dragging, and apologized for not being properly triggered.

Claude Werner, the Tactical Professor, attempts to inject some common sense as well:

"As I’ve said for many years, if we were really concerned about nutballs going out and slaughtering people, every car in the country would have a mandatory breathalyzer interlock on the ignition. But that would inconvenience everyone, which is unacceptable even if it would save tens of thousands of lives every year. I’ve been accused of deflecting for saying that because it’s a fact that everyone wants to ignore. It would inconvenience everyone who drives at least twice a day and “ain’t nobody got time for that.”"

...but he has some words for Team Pro-Gun, too...

"Everyone should get training! As I’ve pointed out, there’s a serious numerical problem with the idea that everyone needs training. Folks who advocate that everyone needs training should do some research and then plug the numbers into Excel. It would take 500 years, that’s not a typo, to get everyone who owns a gun trained to even a mediocre level. The idea that those who carry a gun should be able to make a 25 yard head shot on an active killer is so far out of reach that I won’t even hazard a guess at how few people could be trained to that standard."

He's right. The idea that everyone's going to become a training hobbyist is as much a fantasyland as the anarcho-libertarian paradises in Freehold or The Probability Broach.

I'd like the world to be one where anybody intent on shooting up a Wally World will change their mind based on the sure knowledge that they'll get plugged in the back by a pink Kel-Tec wielded by Mrs. McGillicuddy, but this world is not yet that world, and likely never will be.

Most people don't get carry permits, and even those who do mostly don't carry their guns. The odds of a mass shooting are already like a lightning bolt or meteor strike. The odds of a mass shooting happening within 25 yards of a truly skilled shooter with a USPSA GM ticket or FAST coin* are "meteor strike in your back yard that goes through the hoop of the basketball goal in your driveway and gets nothing but net" rare.

That being said, it's important to understand that these things *do* happen, to have what William Aprill calls a "parking space" in your mind, so that you don't get killed by Normalcy Bias.

"It is critical that, not only do we learn to acknowledge that this shit does happen, every day, and can happen to us, we’re not going to be prepared for it when it does happen, regardless of how courageous we “think” we are, and how well armed we are. Courage isn’t manufactured into the gun. You’ve got to provide that on your own."

In order to avoid standing there like a duck in thunder, it's important to have plans available to pick from should you wind up in one of these freak occurrences. I have my plans. If there is gunfire, I am moving away from it, toward the nearest exit, which I have already located. (You do know where the nearest exit is from where you're sitting right now, right?) Only if there is no exit in a direction that is away from the gunfire, or the incident goes down right in my lap, do options involving my own blaster come into play.

Parenthetically, in the period of time after an incident like this, a lot of those people who don't normally carry and are seriously under/un-trained are going to dust off those permits and be running around jumping at shadows. I don't know I'd be walking across the parking lot of a suburban strip mall to the sporting goods store with an uncased long gun to get the scope bore-sighted for the next few weeks.
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*The "truly skilled shooter" comment has also rustled some internet jimmies already. Like Tyson, I seem to have strayed from "my team's" Conventional Wisdom. Hey, look at the size of your typical big box store...let's take my local Meijer for an example. From the center checkout lanes to the  entrance/exit doors at either end of the front facade is over 25 yards. When was the last time you shot a moving B8 bullseye at that distance? And it wasn't shooting back, and there weren't screaming people running around between you and it. People develop some pretty elaborate fantasies around this. I'm not saying that there's nothing an armed citizen can do, but often your best course of action is to get the heck out of there.

Winners!

 Wayne Dobbs of HiTS won High Lawman.

Cindy Bowser won High Lady in the match, and then won the head-to-head bracket shootoff among the eight highest-scoring women in the match.

Rick Remington won the head-to-head bracket shootoff among the sixteen highest-scoring men.

Match scores are posted at the Rangemaster site.

I had a dismal score in the match, largely due to not checking to make sure my gun was, you know, loaded on a stage. (The slide went into battery on the last shot of the previous stage, and I just stuffed a fresh mag into the holstered gun, so it's obviously loaded, right? Sigh. Press checks, how do they work? There went fifteen points right there.)

The weather and range conditions conspired to ensure that my experience was far from unique, though, and my score still squeaked me into the ladies' shootoff. I managed to beat Vicki Farnham 2-0 in my first bracket, but got roflstomped 2-0 in my second bracket by eventual winner Cindy.

Match Shot

Tac-Con 2019 Match winner Rick Remington shooting in the head-to-head elimination brackets on Sunday morning.
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Shot Caller

Good shooters...

Whenever I post a target and mention that I wasn't happy with my performance, I get a bunch of people telling me that I shouldn't be so hard on myself, that it was *good enough*.

Good enough isn't good enough; I want to be better than good enough.

I doubt Lena Miculek goes to the range and thinks "Eh, that was good enough. I don't need to get better."
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Going the distance (for a given value of distance.)

The U.S. military has a gun cleaning fetish that is a holdover from the days of corrosive primers (and black powder before that.) Boiling water cleaning and "white glove" intolerance for carbon have probably resulted in more guns being cleaned to death than shot to death.

In reality, most modern firearms just need lubricant, and even that's to a varying degree. Current polymer-framed guns like the Glock, where the "frame rails" are tiny little tabs with hardly any bearing surface that mostly exist to keep the slide flying in close formation with the frame, are tolerant of running pretty dry.

Occasional attempts to dispel these myths, like Uncle Pat's efforts with Filthy 14, manage to change a few minds, but the culture of squeaky clean remains well-entrenched.

Me running Filthy 14 in a class in '15, photo by Pat Rogers

I mean, you want to go into game day with a gun that's going to run, which means well-lubed and not terribly caked with residue.

Thus comes the widely misunderstood "2,000 Round Challenge" started by Todd Green. When logging in the results with the Ruger at pistol-forum, I read back a few pages and found this laugher:

"This is like driving your car 50,000 miles without any maintenance just to see if it would operate without maintenance. At the least you'll cause accelerated wear due to dirt and grime buildup."

This shows a stunning lack of the realities of lubricant, pistol wear & tear, the actual life expectancy of a modern quality firearm, how often people who shoot a lot actually shoot, and a host of other factors. This is unsurprising when you realize that the average pistol gets a box of ammo fired through it and then gets thrown in the safe until it's traded in on the next shiny thing on the cover of G&A.

The origins of the 2k challenge came about way back when Todd was still doing his year-long, high-round-count tests. When you're at the range every day (or even every other day) chewing through rounds, you'd spend as much time cleaning as you did shooting if you adhered to the traditional white glove standard, and Todd was known for his lackadaisical cleaning habits on these guns, which he carried.

In response, he pointed out that...

"It's really pretty arbitrary. The Challenge was begun after so many people balked at my, shall we say, "less stringent" maintenance habits. In my experience, just about any serious modern handgun, using something like Miltec, should be able to reach 2k without cleaning, without needing more lube, and without stoppages. 

The thing many people "forget" is that the 2,000 Round Challenge included absolutely no adding lubrication to the gun during the whole 2,000 round cycle. You clean & lube before you start, and then do nothing but shoot the gun until you hit 2,000. If you add some oil or grease during the 2,000 rounds, it's disqualified."

And he's absolutely right, as has been proven on these pages over and over again. (To say nothing of the results dozens of people have logged at pistol-forum.)

Commander Zero sussed this out and noted it in a post at his blog:

"As I was looking through her blog at all the other 2,000-rd tests one thing becomes clear: virtually any handgun from a reputable large manufacturer, using quality ammo, is darn near 100% reliable. Many of the failures that do occur in the tests that she writes about involve Wolf ammo, or bargain ammo of questionable pedigree. Not all, but enough to let me form an opinion about the ammo. The point being that if you buy a new, modern manufactured handgun in 9mm (that isn’t a Remington R51) and feed it quality (not high grade, just ‘quality’) ammo, you will probably achieve monotonous reliability."

With quality modern pistol and factory magazines, the "2,000 Round Challenge" is a test of lubricant and ammo more than anything else. If you've got visible lube weeping from the rails, you're probably still good to go. The idea that two cases of ammo dramatically accelerates wear on a pistol that should be good for, at a minimum, fifty or sixty cases of ammo (and which .0001 percent of users will ever see) is hilarious.

And even if it did, allow me to quote member JAD at p-f:

"Oh no. I would hate to wear out a gun."