Also, you should see some of the folks on some gun forums pretzeling themselves trying to blame Mr. Shiflett for what happened. Tocqueville's guardian state, made manifest.
"America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." - Claire Wolfe
Is it time yet? If that had been my house with someone busting down my door unannounced in the middle of the night, it might have been.
Not because it's time, just because if someone is breaking down my front door in the middle of the night the only logical thing to do is for me and Mr. Mossberg to greet them as they enter.
"Not because it's time, just because if someone is breaking down my front door in the middle of the night the only logical thing to do is for me and Mr. Mossberg to greet them as they enter."
EXACTLY!
Also, here in Newark we've had a string of home invasion robberies. In several the perps stated that they were the police in order to get residents to open the door.
If someone breaks down my door in the middle of the night they'll be treated as they should be, like criminals.
"They didn't need to bash into my home and slam my kids to the floor," Tina said, adding later, "I think they get a kick out of this."
The homeowner has it absolutely right. The militarization of our domestic, local 'peace officers' will be seen 100 years from now as an eminent sign of the downfall of America.
No-knock warrant with the probability they never announced they were police officers? Good luck with that in my home.
In my house, that would make for some mighty awkward moments. Smoke, noise and buckshot are always awkward.
This is precisely the path down which conceptualizing State-as-parent/citizen as child leads and we should in no wise be surprised to read of it. I do not think asking nicely will cause it to slow or stop.
Persons kicking in my door will be reacted to; there is no time to figure out if it is bad guys or the ones that claim to be good. Please, Officer Friendy, beat on the door, yell "Po-lice!" and show your warrant. We'll all be happier.
I don't think that expecting the police to prevent a parent from killing/allowing their child to die is the same thing as "raising them" any more than expecting the police to prevent rape is them "policing your bedroom."
Governments are constituted to secure the rights of those who are too weak to secure their own natural rights. How were the rights of this father violated, considering that the police had a warrant and all?
After all, the warrant was to secure the child from the reasonable suspicion of the neglect of the father. Once the evidence showed the father was not being neglectful, the child was returned. How are rights violated there?
I see your point, but even given the purest of motives on the part of Johnny Law and the Do-Right Boys, they lose several thousand points here for style.
Divemedic, as incompetent as the average cop is with a gun, and as wired up with adrenalin as they tend to be when kicking down doors, only a matter of time before some kid gets blown away. What will be the response then? Oops?
Some emt got annoyed that they got sent back to the barn without doing a transport, so he drops a dime on the parents, and fakes up a report. THAT should be a chargeable offense. As usual, everything goes downhill from there.
"Do what we say, for your own good, or we'll kill you."
ReplyDeleteAnything else I write here could be taken wrong.....
You would thing they lived in MA. . .
ReplyDeleteThank the powers that be (and probably a lot of luck) no one got shot or resisted this insanity. . . . talk about your home invasion.
Duly noted and filed.
ReplyDeleteAlso, you should see some of the folks on some gun forums pretzeling themselves trying to blame Mr. Shiflett for what happened. Tocqueville's guardian state, made manifest.
"America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." - Claire Wolfe
ReplyDeleteIs it time yet? If that had been my house with someone busting down my door unannounced in the middle of the night, it might have been.
Not because it's time, just because if someone is breaking down my front door in the middle of the night the only logical thing to do is for me and Mr. Mossberg to greet them as they enter.
"Not because it's time, just because if someone is breaking down my front door in the middle of the night the only logical thing to do is for me and Mr. Mossberg to greet them as they enter."
ReplyDeleteEXACTLY!
Also, here in Newark we've had a string of home invasion robberies. In several the perps stated that they were the police in order to get residents to open the door.
If someone breaks down my door in the middle of the night they'll be treated as they should be, like criminals.
"They didn't need to bash into my home and slam my kids to the floor," Tina said, adding later, "I think they get a kick out of this."
ReplyDeleteThe homeowner has it absolutely right. The militarization of our domestic, local 'peace officers' will be seen 100 years from now as an eminent sign of the downfall of America.
No-knock warrant with the probability they never announced they were police officers? Good luck with that in my home.
Mandatory Universal Health Care. And We DO mean Mandatory.
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In my house, that would make for some mighty awkward moments. Smoke, noise and buckshot are always awkward.
ReplyDeleteThis is precisely the path down which conceptualizing State-as-parent/citizen as child leads and we should in no wise be surprised to read of it. I do not think asking nicely will cause it to slow or stop.
Persons kicking in my door will be reacted to; there is no time to figure out if it is bad guys or the ones that claim to be good. Please, Officer Friendy, beat on the door, yell "Po-lice!" and show your warrant. We'll all be happier.
It is easy to have a kneejerk reaction to all of this. I think that what happened was appropriate, considering the circumstances.
ReplyDeleteWhen a child dies because the parent neglects to seek medical care for the child, who here says "The parent has the right to allow the child to die."
"When a child dies because the parent neglects to seek medical care for the child, who here says "The parent has the right to allow the child to die."
ReplyDeleteThe same ones who say "The State doesn't have the right to raise your child."
You can't have it both ways, Divemedic.
Well they are the only ones "professional" enough to determine if the child needs medical attention. . .
ReplyDeleteI don't think that expecting the police to prevent a parent from killing/allowing their child to die is the same thing as "raising them" any more than expecting the police to prevent rape is them "policing your bedroom."
ReplyDeleteGovernments are constituted to secure the rights of those who are too weak to secure their own natural rights. How were the rights of this father violated, considering that the police had a warrant and all?
After all, the warrant was to secure the child from the reasonable suspicion of the neglect of the father. Once the evidence showed the father was not being neglectful, the child was returned. How are rights violated there?
"How are rights violated there?"
ReplyDeleteAllegedly with a battering ram.
I see your point, but even given the purest of motives on the part of Johnny Law and the Do-Right Boys, they lose several thousand points here for style.
Divemedic,
ReplyDeleteas incompetent as the average cop is with a gun, and as wired up with adrenalin as they tend to be when kicking down doors, only a matter of time before some kid gets blown away. What will be the response then? Oops?
Some emt got annoyed that they got sent back to the barn without doing a transport, so he drops a dime on the parents, and fakes up a report. THAT should be a chargeable offense. As usual, everything goes downhill from there.