If Tiffani Amber the eighteen year old who happened to be blessed with the genes for a great rack can manage to not crack under such pressure, I think soldiers we expect to send into combat can probably find it within themselves.
Now that's funny, right there.
The last sentence of that post is the most brilliant refutation of any special sexual attraction policy I have ever heard.
ReplyDeleteAnd why, during these conversations, does the showe always figure so highly?
Hah! I like it!
ReplyDeleteWhen “cry like a little girl” becomes an inappropriate expression because the little girls are handling it better than you are, you know you really do need to put on your big-boy britches.
Rock on, lady!
If any gay guy shows any attraction to me in any way, I can only assume that it is because he has serious issues, and should be examined closely to find out what the hell they are. Otherwise I could care less what you like to smoke or munch. if you're next to me in a foxhole, the only qualifications you have that I give a crap about are your accuracy and rate of fire. What massive dumbassery this all is, my great googa mooga.
ReplyDeleteDon't worry, OG, stay out of the South Beach Home For The Blind and it shouldn't be a problem.
ReplyDelete(runs away, hands over head)
Fred Reed summed it up best ( http://www.fredoneverything.net/HomoScoutiens.shtml ) :
ReplyDelete“… Here, really, is the objection to having the openly homosexual in the military. Men do not like being eyed by other men in the barracks and showers.
Pretending that the issue is discrimination rather than sexual privacy makes harder arguing against homosexuality in the barracks, which is why the pretense is made.
The reality is that soldiers don’t want a gunny sergeant, who they know is gay as an Easter bonnet, who has the power to make life miserable, leering at them if the towel drops.
If I suggested that male soldiers be permitted to shower with the women, everyone would understand without explanation the objections of the females.
If I then suggested that I suffered discrimination because I couldn’t shower with the women, people would laugh.
But, for reasons that elude me, the objection to unwanted intimacy is thought frivolous if the sexual predator is of the same sex as the prey.
It isn’t frivolous…”
Opened a hell of a can of worms in my comments, too. Gonna need to find some time in between lunch, errands, hauling firewood, and keeping social appointments to respond... probably in another post of its own.
ReplyDeleteMore snark!!!
ReplyDeleteThis thread is worthless without pic's of Ms Amber!
I posted too: http://menrnotspuds.blogspot.com/2010/02/dont-ask-dont-tell-dont-pretend.html
ReplyDeleteI think most of the dialogue in this issue misses the mark;
ReplyDeleteA. Who cares? Performance matters. Performance is numero uno in any real profession with a real purpose, and the military is not exempt from this.
B. Why is it considered important for certain people do declare their sexuality? Really. Do YOU go 'round declaring your sexuality? At every job interview? If you believe point "A", refer to point "A". If you don't believe in point "A" WTF?
I've posted dozens of comments here. Do you know my sexuality? I haven't brought it up. Ever. I haven't even thought of doing so. Why should I? It would serve no purpose to the conversation unless we're talking about sexuality.
This has been resurrected as a distraction. What were we talking about? Oh yeah; the federal budget, dammit!
There-- cleared it all up for y'all. Now quit fooling around and get back to work, sweethearts! -- Lyle
It is not about your sex preferances! It is about serving! If you have served THEN you can say something about it. If you have not served then shut the heck up!! Jimminy crickets! We didn't care if your panties or your big boy whitey tights got in a wad! It is and will always be about serving OUR counry!
ReplyDeleteWalt
Lyle,
ReplyDelete"This has been resurrected as a distraction. What were we talking about? Oh yeah; the federal budget, dammit!"
You're right. I should write a post to that effect.
Oh, wait, I already did. ;)
Dedicated_Dad: Rusty P. Bucket ( in Marko's comments ) agrees with you and that asshole Fred on this subject.
ReplyDeleteThat should tell you something.
If a soldier is that afraid of a queer, then I don't want that coward defending me ... I'll do it myself.
Kristopher, I doubt you've ever been shot at.
ReplyDeleteSee the comment on Atomic Nerds written by Anonymous, near the end. It's called living in the real world.
There is a very limited supply of combat soldiers in our society, drawn overwhelmingly from only three primary ethnic pools.
White Southerner, small town or rural Rocky Mountain resident, and blue-collar urban Irish Catholic. Crackers, Cowboys, and Cops.
Almost half have stated they will not reenlist if forced to serve with people who are, by their cultural standards, quite thouroughly insane and completely untrustworthy.
To quote the usually repulsive Andy Rooney, "If I think homosexuals are sick, it doesn't mean I am a monster, it means I have an opinion you disagree with".
The only choices are to reduce the number of combat units, hire mercenaries, or do a half hearted European type job with similarly dressed people masquerading as soldiers. Then run away if anybody actually shoots back.
I served in VietNam twice. I have friends who are in the military now. I'm talking Army sniper, Seal, and Ranger.
None of them will willingly serve with a gay, and few if any of the good ol' boys I knew and respected would do so either. It is not part of their culture. A gay man is, in their mindset, intrinsically disfunctional and totally untrustworthy.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm saying it is what is. Force homosexuals on them and they will not reenlist.
Without them there is no point to the spear, no need for the long supply tail. Without these people with whom you disagree, there is no military.
They may not like homosexuals, but they fight really well, and we have nobody else in this culture who can replace them. We can barely replace lost reenlistments now.
I would rather have no military than the kind of anti-social collection of misfits the left would foist on us in their stead.
Unable to fight a real war, their only use would be to please their masters at the expense of a population they despise. Not a good thing.
Take a walk up Commerce Street in Provincetown someday. All the way to the Coast Guard station, not just the tourist areas in the center. It will open your eyes. They, or at least a relly large part of them, really are barmy.
No wonder the Democrats are pushing this. It means they can essentially shut down most of the military and turn the remainder into an ineffective welfare organization like the modern German Army.
Not looking forward to it.
Sign me as a former liberal (on this subject anyway).
Robert Heinlein in Starship Troopers:
ReplyDeleteMorals — all correct moral laws — derive from the instinct to survive. Moral behavior is survival behavior above the individual level.
Correct morality can only be derived from what man is — not from what do-gooders and well-meaning aunt Nellies would like him to be.
"No wonder the Democrats are pushing this. It means they can essentially shut down most of the military and turn the remainder into an ineffective welfare organization like the modern German Army."
ReplyDeleteExactly......That is the opinion I get whenever it is brought up by any of my fellow Airmen...
It will be a PC experiment that will please the liberals but in the end ultimately damage morale....
Alot of good coments and sound arguments for and against. the one missing is the most ignored.
ReplyDeleteI ask only that you do your job, speak the truth and shoot strait. however when the social engineers start meddling we end up with girly girls and gays and lesbians offended at every turn and screeming about thier minority status and how us knuckle dragging neanderthalls need to treat them with more sencitivity.
To this I say" I have only one rule, every one fights no one quits if you do I will shoot you my self."
anon 4.26-
ReplyDeleteAbby, a currently serving soldier, addresses exactly that.
Anon 10.47-
Good post. Exactly the same arguments that proved so right about women and negroes.
And I figured out a transition team!
Anonymous 10:47:
ReplyDeleteI have been shot at, more than once.
Don't attempt an argument from authority if you do not know the qualifications of the person you are attempting it on.
And consider being less of a dumbass bigot as well..