The reaction on the internets to the most recent 1911 post has been hilarious. Apparently it's a pretty Rorschach piece of writing, because it's had me accused of everything from being an emotional and nostalgic defender of the 1911 to a "homo glock-lover"...
Who knew?
The gunbroker thread is pure comedy gold. Who are these people? I want to know so I can avoid them.
ReplyDeleteNothing brings out civil discourse like a religious question. Ain't it nice to be slammed by both sides of an argument?
ReplyDeletegunbroker forum thread? HIGH-larious, 'dude'.
ReplyDeleteThat Gunbroker thread is just slaying me.
ReplyDeleteNow I'm an Airsoft kiddie!
with dainty fingers, you "so-called 'expert'"!
ReplyDeleteYou know that you're right when both sides of a religious argument attack you.....
ReplyDeleteSoooo.. are all glocks gay? Or you only love the gay ones? I'm confused?
ReplyDeleteThe homo glock lover thing has me baffled, confused, and strangely aroused, all at once. And I shudder to understand why.
ReplyDeleteGosh. I thought it was hard to find people so strongly opinionated about someone who they have not met.
ReplyDeleteI now really want a 1911, so I can tick off the cool kids too!
They are opinionated about a blog entry they haven't read, it seems, anon.
ReplyDeletegenedunn,
ReplyDelete"Soooo.. are all glocks gay? Or you only love the gay ones? I'm confused?"
You're thinking of a "homo-glock lover", not a "homo glock-lover".
Only 9mm Glocks are really gay. .40 S&W are bisexual. .45 GAP Glocks are metrosexual. .45 ACP Glocks are manly. 10mm Glocks are extra manly, with lots of hair on their back.
ReplyDeleteNow you know.
If only she would post a picture of her dainty fingers, by preference, curled appealingly (not to say provocatively) around a pistol...
ReplyDelete"Gee Tam, I never knew you were a fan of gay porn...."
ReplyDeleteIf the gay guys are really hot, it makes me kind of sad, actually.
Normally just a lurker, I don't comment much, but this gem in the Gunbroker thread had to be reposted:
ReplyDelete"I'm pretty sure this guy...
got most of his information from an airsoft site online
was never a service man or cop
shoots less than a thousand rounds a year
secretly likes gay porn"
The level of fail in this post reaches new heights, even for the internet, to the point where I almost hope it's someone from here posting in satire :)
Win1911 or Glockintosh?
ReplyDeleteTam,
ReplyDelete"Who knew?" is right. That Gunbroker forum thread is pure comedy gold. I love how folks can be so strongly opinionated on something they either don't understand fully, or didn't bother to read and research fully, right down to, I'm guessing here" maybe getting your gender wrong?
Oh, and the "lame blog" comment is a real gem.
David,
ReplyDelete"shoots less than a thousand rounds a year"
That was the most LOL-worthy part for me. I mean, I shot a thousand rounds in two days in October... through a 1911. ;)
Well, you can't expect people to read the original post for themselves. That's just silly.
ReplyDeleteWord verification: minyvm. that just proves you're a homo, right there.
Tam
ReplyDeleteCan you please post stuff like this later in the day. Going through the entire day with a headache after reading these idiots makes me crankier than normal.
Thank you for your consideration.
Gerry
This is why I stay away from gun forums.
ReplyDeleteThis is the sturdy yeomanry that we're relying on to resist tyranny and oppression? Where's my vodka? It's time to start the day right.
ReplyDeleteJust read through the Gunbroker forum comments.... wow. I cannot believe that I found a comment section with more stupidity than a YouTube comment thread, but there you go.
ReplyDeleteLewis said "This is the sturdy yeomanry that we're relying on to resist tyranny and oppression? Where's my vodka? It's time to start the day right."
That was my immediate thought also.
Jeesh. And people thought I was unreasonable...
ReplyDeleteNice to see such 'reasoned discourse' amongst the gunnie folk. As Mel Blanc would have said, WHAT A BUNCHA MAROONS!
ReplyDeleteps - I bet John Galt carried a 1911!
OK, so I own a Glock 20 and you outshot my ass at Blackwater with your 'dainty fingers' while explaining the differences in the screws used on the grips 1965 and 1966 1911 patterned pistols.
ReplyDeleteI'm trying to figure out how gay I am.
Thanks for reminding me why I don’t do the forum thing any more. The signal out there is awesome, but the noise al-la signal-to-noise put my teeth on edge.
ReplyDeleteBTW my little me-to on the 1911 has also gotten me branded as a "1911-Hater" dispite the gun under my coat right now.
I like both Glocks and 1911s. Does that make me Bi? Actualy, I like wheelguns too, so I guess I'm Poly?
ReplyDeleteCommunity organizer!!
ReplyDelete"Community organizer!!"
ReplyDeleteHey! There are children present! Let's keep it down to PG-13, at least!
Crap! I was about to trade off my Glock 30 for an M&P45c or an HK45c for my trips to the in-laws. Now I feel like I have to keep it just to piss these guys off. Even better, I could add a micro 1911 with a 3" barrel and "full length" guide rod (I'm kidding, Ed Foster, don't stroke out) to the LCP "if you're using me, you're in REALLY deep shit" pocket gun.
ReplyDeleteNow I've pissed EVERYBODY off, and written a horrendous sentence doing it. But carrying a backup gun to the backup gun would make people I actually do respect happy, so perhaps I'll carry the micro 1911 completely unloaded with no mag. In Thunderwear.
As for who or what anybody else loves or wants to have consenting adult relations with, ain't none of my damn business as long as you don't do it on my front lawn. And I've known and count as friends some freaky people who I want next to me when Bad Stuff happens.
Bonus points to your relationship if it makes you less of a d*ck. I don't think theirs is working that way.
My work here is done. Booyah.
What a fun way to start the day. I never knew gunbroker had a forum.
ReplyDeleteA while back, Alan had a 'you just might be a mall ninja...' thing going on. I'd guess all which would be offended by that thread are the ones hanging out at the gunbroker forum.
Sometimes a truckload of insecurity & fail is a fascinating & humorous thing to see.
I don't have a 1911 any more, but still have a 220 Match and a P97 clunker...two completely opposite ends of the spectrum; am I schizophrenic?
That's an idea: a gun-themed self-help blog. Call it "Dear Tam" and RX can be your alter ego, a la Abby and Ann.
"Dear Tam: there's some obviously insane undeveloped egos over at the gunbroker forum. A weekend range session is planned, and we fear that some of them might show up. Whatever shall I do? And do you recommend the merlot over the shiraz? Signed, Laughing in gunblog land" "Dear Laughing: go away, kid. You bother me. And, it's shiraz with steak tartar. Cheers! Tam."
Wow! They sure are out there, aren't they! I'd have to say the religion reference is about spot on.
ReplyDeleteAnd the 8# trigger was the one John Browning put on the military gun for cavalry usage a hundred years ago, not what's on the gun now, or that's been on any decent commercial models in the last century.
The original hammer engagement was essentially a hook you had to force up and over the sear. I'll cheerfully email a copy of the original G.I. blueprint to anybody who wants it. Try me at blogspot/the only choice.
Basis statement of personal likes. I think plastic recievers and roller blowback are both steps back from effective pistol use, in the only instance when a pistol is other than an encumbrance.
In point of fact, I think the roller delayed lockup, in rifle or pistol, is one of the most innately rediculous firearms ideas perpetrated in the 20th century.
Other than that, there isn't much difference in any of them except for ergonomics (often a very personal choice), material used, heat treatment, and the quality of manufacture and final fit-up. If it can be made manually, it can be made CNC cheaper, and comparative cost is primarily a function of the size of the run.
In the same numbers, I can machine a 1911 slide for about the same as any other comparably dimensioned slide. It isn't magic.
It costs just about a grand to manufacture a top of the line 1911. That's a forged slide and reciever from Bourdon Forge, lapped to fit. That's a Kart barrel filed in slowly with dyechem and needlefiles, a meticulously hand fitted Ed Brown thumb safety and Chip McCormick grip safety, plus almost four manhours of expensive gunsmithing.
Tack on the 10% excise tax and 12%markup for what is essentially a custom gun right from the factory, and you end up with a dealer's cost in the low teens.
With a cast reciever, a barstock slide, MIM parts, and a "drop-in" barrel, we could cut costs in half, and produce a loose gun that would wobble and peen itself sloppy(er) in a few thousand rounds. If it makes a buck, there's nothing innately wrong with that, you're giving people what they're paying for, a light duty weapon for light duty prices.
But folks already make guns like that. To one extent or another, the cost vs. durability metric figures strongly in every gun out there retailing for under a grand. I've worked in big gun companies and I've seen the tradeoffs management has ordered.
Personally, I like snug, smooth, consistent, workmanlike guns. I would rather have an older SIG or Browning Hi-Power than a cheap 1911, because if you can't hit paper with it you can't hit anything else, and workmanship translates into both accuracy and longetivity.
But the higher end 1911 market does appeal to people attracted to the, shall we say, sturdy view of pistol construction. Son #2's German wonder gun shot itself apart after only a few months of serious usage, and never had either the practical or target accuracy he could have gotten from other brands. Too much emphasis on "I'm new" in all the funny angular guns, rather than "I'm better".
WoW!! They never even looked to see that Tam is a Woman in stead of a man as the Broker chat indicates. It just shows how mislead peaple really are. And Tam IS a very BEAUTIFUL and CLASSY LADY!!
ReplyDeleteWalt
The "homo glock-lover" comment is made even more amazing by the fact that it gets a +1 from a moderator. I never knew Gunbroker had a forum, either, but now I know to avoid them.
ReplyDeleteTam I think you went and got them all wee wee'd up over there at Gunbroker.
ReplyDeleteThey were so sad I didn't even have the heart to create an account to try and show them the error of their ways.
Oh well those that really know you know you as an aficionado of Colt Automatics and S&W Revolvers. I'd fly your wing any day based on that alone.
Should we tell them that Tam also hates puppies and prefers the taste of New Coke to the original?
ReplyDeleteHonest-to-God wv: palin
What are the odds?
10mm Glocks are extra manly, with lots of hair on their back.
ReplyDeleteThat explains what's been happening to my back lately. I though I was just getting old.
I cannot believe that I found a comment section with more stupidity than a YouTube comment thread, but there you go.
HAHAHAHAHAH, that was my thought.
"Only 9mm Glocks are really gay. .40 S&W are bisexual. .45 GAP Glocks are metrosexual. .45 ACP Glocks are manly. 10mm Glocks are extra manly, with lots of hair on their back."
ReplyDeleteYes, but being Glocks, it's spray-on back hair. Only steel guns can grow real back hair.
Or something like that.
(WV: karta. They're definitely laying down a karta something over there....)
Tam,
ReplyDeleteWe your loyal minions are happy to read your actual posts and not go off half-cocked (no pun intended).
Keep telling the facts as you see 'em.
Tam, you should log onto the GB forum and introduce yourself to that thread. Maybe post a pic of you shooting one of your high mileage 1911s as well. While normally I don't feel the need to correct people in that manner, having their ass-umptions laid bare like that would be good for another round of amusing posts.
ReplyDeleteChris
Wow. Just... wow.
ReplyDeleteThe internet makes me cry.
Chris
ReplyDeleteNoooo! They will follow her here.
Gerry
I once bought a collection of pistols which had a Glock, whichever model comes in .45ACP. It shot okay, as good as I'd want. Good gun, near as I could tell from a couple of magazine's worth of shooting.
ReplyDeleteBut it's not as ergonomically righteous or as aesthetically pleasing to me as my ancient 1911 that I tweaked on myownself--reasons enough for my choice as any.
So I don't worry about my 1911. It's the guy in front of it who has to worry.
A tool ain't a religious matter but quality oughta be...
I was seriously thinking about putting my experience of the M1911A1 we had in my Arms Room while I was an Armorer in Korea. It was our Battery Commander's. Complete rattletrap, parts replaced more than George Washington's hatchet, with a trigger that reminded me of nothing so much as trying to type "Q" on my old manual Remington typewriter.
ReplyDeleteI kept on reading, though, and remembered my policy about talking firearms with other people's children.
One need look no farther than the fellow on the gunbroker blog ("coltpax?") who posted a photo of an SKS with a Tapco stock, 30rd detachable mag and bipod, right after a Jeff Cooper quote.
How can Reason and Truth hope to have any influence over someone who will put such an absurd contradiction in his signature line?
I spend about as much time in forums like that as I do in malls. It's like traveling to a different planet, an anime planet where weapons load themselves, the bad guys can't shoot straight and everything works the way you think it ought to work.
gvi
WV: prockho. Don't know what it means but I'm itching to use it in a sentence.
One thing I did learn, was that Magnum Research makes a 1911.
ReplyDeletePretty funny thread.
Wow. And I thought ARFcom was a wretched hive of scum and villainy. The GB forums are making ARFcom look like a scrapbooking forum in comparison.
ReplyDeleteIZ, I'd say that board was a wretched hivemind of dumb and comedy. All it needs is Gecko45 to stir things up.
ReplyDeleteSweet 8lb naked baby Jesus.
ReplyDeleteApparently, there are internet layers more stupid than Goatse. This bothers me.
I want to know if we can expel "those people" from the gun culture?
ReplyDeleteMy take on the Gunbroker thread
ReplyDeleteWith apologies to Monty Python
"We have found a witch, may we burn her?"
"How do you know she is a witch?"
"She said something good about a Glock"
Who would have known there was a whole forum run by Emily Litella?
ReplyDeleteHaven't you heard? It's the "NEW" ninjavility.
ReplyDeleteI guess that's just how teh internets work for many these days.
ReplyDeleteStep 1) Form opinion.
Step 2) State opinion.
Step 3) Do research.
Step 4) Stand by opinion, even if wrong.
So what does my Star PD make me? Posturing arrogant anti-American Eurotrash?
ReplyDeleteThe ultimate in "concealed carry" is a Trident Fleet Ballistic Missile submarine,
ReplyDeleteWait a minute... aw, it's probably gay, since it's 'big and black and filled with seamen'.
WV: reprom. I'm to old to buy rent a tux.
Anon 3:38-
ReplyDeleteWhat's the best carry technique for a SSBN? Strong side IWB or appendix?
Wow, that was like an pinata of stupids waiting to get smacked by a clue x four.
ReplyDeleteWhy, it was almost like they didn't know who or what they were talking about...
@Fat White Man, double eagle=Colt double action 1911 patterned gun or a gold coin.
ReplyDeleteGeeze Tam, you really know how to stir a pot! My favorite was, "secretly likes gay porn."
You are no stranger to 1911 activism it appears.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.lesjones.com/2009/11/11/glock-vs-1911/
There's no activist like a dainty fingered, nostalgic, emotional activist.
:)
Count me as another person who never noticed Gunbroker had forums. Now that I know, from now on I'm gonna check that thread before bidding on something. If they posted there, deal's off. Know WAY would I buy a firearm from such morons.
ReplyDeleteThey talk about "Gay" a lot.
ReplyDeleteI think these kiddies are maybe a few wine-coolers away from an evening of angry experimental buttsecks.
It's OK, as long as you don't own a GLOCK while you do it.
Would it be rude of me to go there and post that the HP35 was JMB's attempt to fix everything he got wrong with the 1911?
ReplyDeleteWell, if you squint at it just right Gunbroker is a sort of virtual gun store. Thus it's no surprise that a certain percentage of the dialogue there would reflect the wisdom I've heard from the most brain-damaged minority of the people who hang around gun store counters.
ReplyDeleteNot so sure they're a minority at that forum, though. I think I read the whole thread--out of morbid curiosity--and now my brain hurts. It'll probably take my IQ at least 3 days to come back up to normal.
That GB thread was a perfect example of somethings sum being equal to its parts.
ReplyDeleteTalk about peer-to-peer networking of underclocked craniums.
10mm Glocks are extra manly, with lots of hair on their back.
New wildcat - 10mm OG.
Has anybody said "glocksucker" yet? I think I like that better.
ReplyDeletePat Rogers said it best, "Avoid any gun that requires a plug for butt".
ReplyDeleteBabylon, how about "Glockwagon?" Or maybe "Glockhole?"
ReplyDeleteMe, I have a G21 and a 1911A1, so I have to stay well away from this argument.
Wellllll..here I thot the internets had gone and growed up in the years since I quit edifying and arguing on such old-time places as doublegunshop.com. In fact, i was pretty sure that I had crossed paths with about every online variety of stupid-compulsive long ago.
ReplyDeleteBut NO!! it is apparent that the underside of rocks is still infested with the 'sturdy yeomen" [killer quote, that] It's all for a good laugh, but cheeze-whiz Gunbrokerites: I really liked Tam's exegesis and references on the 1911.
In fact, I thot it was one of the best informed and smartest bits i have read in quite some time about the Auld Venerable Beastie. After reflecting on it, my opinion of what might constitute a reasonable new 1911 in my stable was greatly simplified. And as a corollary, I wondered when a reputable gun-rag might offer her a paper column?
The Gunbroker Swarm is waaaay over their entire collective heads, here. But then with their lack of inter-skull content made manifest by the howling outer darkness, who really GAF? Other than for the genuinely funny, if inadvertent, comedic element of the whole episode.
Tam, that was a really good article, which informed even an old know it all like me, that indeed, I did not know it all. Of course, i still retain a limited capacity for learning, so that prob'ly explains the outcry from GB, where apparently that higher mental functioning is banned.
Thanks.
PS..I've never gotten hair on my back,or any other body part for that matter from shooting a firearm. But if anyone reports a reemergence of normal scalp follicles, I'm in -- even it is a K...Kkk...kuk..Kuh..k
Nah, I just can't do it.
i had several glucks, lots of 1911's, now own a H&K USPC 45 ACP...
ReplyDeletewhat does that say about me?
do i even want to know?
(waiting for godwin)
tams eval was right on...
"peer-to-peer networking of underclocked craniums."
ReplyDeleteThat's quoteworthy. I am SO going to steal that.
And egads re: the thread in question. It's like every bad media stereotype about gun owners compiled into one page.
Wow. This is why I limit my controversial topics to "Phalanx vs. Legion" ....
ReplyDeleteAnd for those who care, the Phalanx was MUCH gayer than the Legion. Just sayin'.
Tam is the obvious next person to grace the back page of on "Guns and Ammo".
ReplyDeleteCooper and Skelton would want it that way.
*sigh* What is it about the internets that bring out the worst in people? It's like the normal civility people have towards each other get turned off when they're alone in front of a keyboard.
ReplyDeleteAncient Woodsman - That's an idea: a gun-themed self-help blog.
ReplyDeleteOh, the potential for hilarity in this idea is just too good to pass up! My I suggest that it could be a semi-regular feature?
homo glock-lover
Ai-yi-yi... I hope that was written tongue in cheek.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDelete*sigh* What is it about the internets that bring out the worst in people? It's like the normal civility people have towards each other get turned off when they're alone in front of a keyboard.
pebkac
Ok, I will now state it formally:
ReplyDeleteSome of those people are stupider than five pages of YouTube comments.
I think AR15.com and Glocktalk are going to issue a joint rebuttal to that video that made the rounds a while back, accusing whatever gunstore commando it was of being from one of the two--now it'll be Gunbroker forums...
ReplyDeleteYou have arrived!
ReplyDeleteYou have re-discovered the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory (GIFT), as first elucidated by John Gabriel in 2004:
ReplyDelete(Normal Person) + Anonymity + Audience = (Total Fuckwad)
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/3/19/
Hilarious, but sad.
ReplyDeleteWhere's a good dekulakization when you need one?
AT
That gunbroker thread (facepalm)
ReplyDeletejesnlsn and tanksoldier have taken up the cause of reason. Hoping they prevail but not betting on it. :-)
WalMart at 3AM confirms that carnies live in your town year-round.
ReplyDeleteInternet forums offer proof that the homo sapiens gene pool has a ratio of a few hundred thousand idiots per each sane, rational person.
Wow... that is just plain stupid... and VERY sad...
ReplyDeleteCommunity organizer?
ReplyDeleteIsn't that pc for agent provocateur?
Would it be rude of me to go there and post that the HP35 was JMB's attempt to fix everything he got wrong with the 1911?
ReplyDeleteTBear, I DARE you!
gvi
WV: gyrosit: Further commentary would be pointless
Gunbroker's forum-goers have formed a failanx in defense to Tam's snark attack.
ReplyDeleteI wonder what they'd make of me if I still had the two guns I lost to Katrina? One was an antique Colt, one was a new(ish) Tanfoglio. One was a .45, and one was a .25. One was as reliable as a hammer, the other was the god-king of FTEs and was too light to to be used *AS* a hammer.
ReplyDeleteJam-o-matic piece of junk that it was, I still miss that Colt Vest Pocket Model... ;-)
WV: hedspoll. Some assembly required...
Gee, I thought people only got that worked up over politics and illegal aliens.
ReplyDeleteI waq once told by a Glockenteer that he hoped I was never in a gunfight as my Browning HP was obsolete, and I wouldn't have a chance
ReplyDeleteYou're a very attractive 'he', Tam. Lol.
ReplyDeleteThe gunbroker thread is interesting in that literally none of commenters seemed to have actually read what you wrote!
I can't believe people actually registered over there just to...
ReplyDeleteFolks, it's the internets. Remember what they said about arguing on the internets? You both get muddy and the pig's still retarded.
I'm not all sad and butthurt because some anonymous trollface who apparently types with his nose thinks "YOURE STOPID LOLOLOL!"
Tam,
ReplyDeleteAs usual your sumation of the whole thing is succinct and logical. One cannot be a successful blogger without a good deal of security in your own knowledge along with a bit of "who cares" and "consider the source".
It's like when a total scumbag I've arrested decides to try to insult me with verbal name calling. I have never taken exception over the years and in fact derived a lot of entertainment value from those who diplayed a more creative bent.
I didn't even remember that I had an account there. Thanks for giving me a reason to make a post.
ReplyDeleteIt's the "internets" but it's also an education opportunity. The dweebs making the posts might not learn anything, or admit it even if they did, but maybe somebody coming along with slightly more processing capability installed in their cranium (as unlikely as that seems) might read and learn.
This is comedy gold. Thanks for sharing, Tam!
ReplyDeleteLeave the Glockies alone! I loved 'em...
ReplyDeleteCouldn't tell you how many real guns I took in trade for those things; in the 90's especially, I'd get two nice wheel guns plus boot even for shot-out former LE G17's...because they came with TWO HIGH-CAPACITY CLIPS!
So which do I wish I had back because they've doubled in value since then, the model 10's, 19's, 36's, 66's, etc...or the functional but soul-less plastics that can still be bought all day long for under $400? Lemmee see now...
AT
100!
ReplyDeleteSorry, the OCD wouldn't let me leave that 99 dangling.
I just peeked inside the playpen and they're having a "who are ya gonna believe; me or your own eyes?" moment. Somebody dug out a vintage 1911 and an RCBS trigger scale and the result was more than 8 pounds. I'm eagerly awaiting the first accusation of a ZOG conspiracy.
ReplyDeleteYeah, that was me that posted the picture. The thread is absolutely cracking me up.
ReplyDeleteUh-oh, now Mr. Yam's "hobby gun" concept has been invoked! I eagerly await the rants about how the pistol that, to hear them tell it, single-handedly won the Battle of Iwo Jima without a cleaning since 1917, can possibly be a "hobby gun"! Grab the duct tape, this could get messy.
ReplyDeleteCome on Tam, you gotta love this. This is like shaking up an ant farm!
ReplyDeleteIt's true; the only thing worse than ignorance is ignorance "en masse" (I hope I got that spelt right).
ReplyDeletewv: pascrabl- a game played by glucksuckers with bottom plugs...
Teh hivemind has been disturbed ...
ReplyDelete"These aren't the posts you're looking for." The Mod deleted the ENTIRE THREAD! Not locked, it's GONE. Oh, and "newbs" will be watched closely going forward. We have been warned...
ReplyDeleteHuh. Well, you can lead an idiot to water but it's illegal to drown them.
ReplyDeleteOr something.