When the family and I made our move to The Former Republic 18 months ago, U-Haul quoted us ~$3000 for a one-way rental. I got a quote the same day for a one-way TX->CA rental. $250. I laughed merrily on that one.
You don't need to be an econ major to do the math behind that one. Sacramento's already tried taxing the pensions of folks who retire out of state (with their comically inflated Calidollars that go such a long way back in the states because we've foolishly pegged the exchange rate between CA and the US at 1:1.) How long before they just take another page from the Red playbook and build a wall along the border? Not the Cali/Mexican border to keep illegal aliens out, but the NV/AZ border to keep
Can someone explain to a confused Canadian how any state can tax retirees who vote with their feet and decamp?
ReplyDeleteI can see the state government possibly trying something like this with retired state public employees, but for "civilians"?
Whisper your answer quietly though...some of our politicians up here would kill for the secret :-)
They can't. The CA law ( allowing them to withhold CA tax from pensions for refugees living out of state ) was struck down by the SCOTUS.
ReplyDeleteSO ... it is cheaper to rent a uhaul from NV to TX, with a side trip through CA?
ReplyDelete"How long before they just take another page from the Red playbook and build a wall along the border? Not the Cali/Mexican border to keep illegal aliens out, but the NV/AZ border to keep resource units... taxpayers... Californians with jobs in?"
ReplyDeleteOne can only hope that it's soon. Very soon. You'd know what I'm talking about if you lived next to California. They have droves of people fleeing that state for one reason or another, and wherever they settle they try to turn it into California 2.0.
You'd figure that they'd not want to change their new states into the same mess that they left their old state in, but they don't seem to learn.
The only exception to that rule is gunnies. Hell, they should use that as a pass at the wall. Got a gun, get through. Don't have a gun, too bad. :P
There was a report a few weeks ago that one fifth of the 25,000 richest PRK residents have left the state permanently.
ReplyDeleteThey passed a millionaires "surtax" a couple of years ago to pay for increased mental health care. And a bunch of them left.
Cause and effect? Nah, couldn't be!
I think it said CA lost 5000 millionaires when they raised taxes on them to cover a $15 Billion deficit. Which lost them about $7 billion in tax revenue.
ReplyDeleteThat includes my sister and her husband. They decided to retire early to their AZ home, in their early 50's.(a side business they started was sold to a conglomerate for 7 figures some years ago) Then an idea he was working on with a couple others took off. Now he has to come back to Silicon Valley one week a month to work at their company in Palo Alto. Ah, the joys of a start-up with venture capital funding. So much for retirement! Wonder how much of a bite CA is going to try to get from him, since he is no longer a resident? Unfortunately, they are left wing, and don't see how CA's problems are due to people who think like them.
Fifteen years ago, after twelve years as a Federal prisoner (U.S. Navy) in CA, I had Needles in my rearview mirror and the morning sun in my eyes.
ReplyDeleteHappiest day of my life.
Remember, there's a $1,000 leaving town tax.
ReplyDelete"They have droves of people fleeing that state for one reason or another, and wherever they settle they try to turn it into California 2.0."
ReplyDeleteI hear ya; they've been doing that to Utah since the sixties. Every time something shuts down in California, they head to Utah or Oregon and try to Californiaform (as in terraforming) their new home.
Wow, thanks for the link (Tamalanche!) - sorry all that there isn't much to read over there of late. The 3-year-old tornado and his 6-month-old brother have grabbed hold of my free time and are hanging on for dear life! ;-)
ReplyDeleteThey have droves of people fleeing that state for one reason or another, and wherever they settle they try to turn it into California 2.0.
Yeah, I tried to touch on that with "(just gotta make sure a few of the crazies don't sneak in with us and continue to poison the rest with their socialistic ideas)", just to make sure I was one of the exceptions who honestly just wanted to escape!
Hell, I've been proposing a wall all along the CA, NV, and OR border for almost a decade. I do like the "have a gun, get a pass" rule, though.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, they're moving here, especially North Texas.
ReplyDeleteThey're cashing out in Cali, and coming to Texas and Colorado, where they're going to real estate offices, plunking down their checks that they got for their over-priced CA house, and asking like a little boy in a candy store, "How much will this buy?"
It's doing unfortunate things to the prices of what had heretofore been somewhat reasonably-priced real estate.
I'm all for putting up that wall around California. It was a beautiful state when we found it, but what we've done to it would make a stone cry.
To be fair, CA was a (R) state. We used to have Governor named Reagan, yes?
ReplyDeleteWhat changed? CA took the brunt of the cuts to the defense budget in the 1990's. Sacramento lost Mather and McClellan AFBs, and Sacramento Army Depot. The largest private employer in the region used to be Aerojet. It's now Intel or UC Davis Med Center, depending on how you interpret "private."
The Bay Area lost the Presidio, Treasure Island and Mare Island Navy Bases, Alameda NAS, and Fort Ord in Monterey.
The San Diego area is the most Red State of the highly populated areas of the state. It's also has the highest military-related population.
So, y'all did it TO us.
Uh, Governor Moonbeam, anybody?
ReplyDeleteAnd let's not forget that all those Presidio/Treasure Island/Alameda types sent their mayor to the Senate backin '92.
Your assault weapons ban was passed in... when? 1989?
Yeah, it was a regular red state out there in CARB-land before the rest of us took your soldiers away... Just not "red" as in "conservative", but using the more traditional Cold War definition.
Moonbeam was followed by two more Repub govs.
ReplyDeleteMoonbeam was elected as a spending cutter. He was for Prop. 13 (which cut property taxes) after it passed. Typical.
Not saying CA was ever conservative. Hell, Reagan raised taxes and was for "reasonable" gun control.
But at least we had a fighting chance.
I stayed up until the wee hours of the morning watching the election returns in 1994. The (R) actually took a one seat majority in the state Assembly. And then Willie Brown worked his mojo and got one (R) to vote for him as speaker. And it's been downhill ever since.
(R) and (D) voter registration used to be fairly even. Now, the (D)s have a double digit lead.
Stick a fork in CA. We're done. Even if Poizner can buy the Governorship, he's still a RINO. Steve Forbes couldn't do it.
RE: Anonymous
ReplyDelete"So, y'all did it TO us."
Thank you for putting together a wonderful explanation of how the situation you are in due to the people you elected is our fault.
A great example of how you really got there in the first place.
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