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Friday, April 04, 2008

You're doing it way wrong.

It's nice to know that future stars of COPS read blogs too.

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17 comments:

Anonymous said...: And you're the third result for that string; 10:56 AM, April 04, 2008
the pawnbroker said...: tam, this probably sprang from what went down here

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16931410&postID=8062186380575737939

this from xavier's blog a week or two ago; exigent circumstances? to paraphrase xav, "there but for the Grace of God, go i"...

you don't have to be a trailertrash future teevee star for this to happen...this guy did what many would do, molon labe and all that stuff, and now he's a murder defendant...; 11:34 AM, April 04, 2008
Turk Turon said...: I'm sure that there's a mullet at the other end of that.; 1:13 PM, April 04, 2008
NotClauswitz said...: Good grief you get detailed searches!; 2:35 PM, April 04, 2008
Anonymous said...: It could also be a 13 year old who scored what might be a joint and wants to know how much trouble he can get into for it.; 3:50 PM, April 04, 2008
Cliff Pervocracy said...: They probably won't, but... oh man, if you're asking the internet about this, you have problems.; 3:59 PM, April 04, 2008
Anonymous said...: If the cops have a written warrant for your arrest at that address, they can disassemble the house if that is what it takes to get to you.; 5:20 PM, April 04, 2008
the pawnbroker said...: sorry about the link to the case of ryan frederick as posted by xavier; that link went to comments...here is the correct one:

http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2008/03/case-of-ryan-fredrick.html

a no-knock warrant issued on the false information about a freakin' marijuana plant by an informant who had previously broken into this guy's house? and now the guy's life is ruined because he shot a cop who was busting in his door unannounced because he thought it was the burglar breaking in again? don't take this quite so lightly; these things don't always end this dramatically but they happen a lot more than you might think...jtc; 6:17 PM, April 04, 2008
Tam said...: jtc,

I've blogged about no-knocks dozens of times here.; 9:40 AM, April 05, 2008
Roberta X said...: I gotcher no-knock, Tam: you're tagged.

One expects your usual response to such. :); 11:55 AM, April 05, 2008
the pawnbroker said...: yeah i know, tam: the cops remark was funny...i would have liked to see you link to some of the no-knocks too, though...nothin' funny about that shit...jtc; 5:14 PM, April 05, 2008
Tam said...: Like this or this? ;); 10:48 PM, April 05, 2008
the pawnbroker said...: uhh, not so much, tam. we had just bought our north georgia vacation/retirement place in cherokee county when the granny thing happened and we were swamped with atl tv coverage...a lot of dumbass moves there on both sides; that old lady sure didn't deserve to be executed for selling some pot (old black folks selling pot or even crack is not rare even in the small fla town where i ran the pawnshop), and the cops that were doing what they were told to do, as keystone as it was, didn't deserve to be shot, or excoriated. to me the most memorable and ironic part was when the usual racial discrimination suspects were shocked and silenced by the fact that not only the victim, but half the task force and most of the police administration higher-ups were also black...can't get any tv mileage out of that non-racial half-assed, futile misuse of public money to attack the public for victimless behavior.

and in the second case, like you and some of your commenters, i find it hard to have much empathy when the cops would never have had occcasion to use a method guaranteed to put themselves into harm's way and be spooked into stupid, tragic mistakes of procedure if this weren't a vicious, larcenous thug, and he likely would have graduated to carjackings, even murder. that still doesn't justify or excuse no-process capital punishment administered through the door by scared, ill-trained, low-level cops.

the ryan frederick case struck a closer chord with me, i guess because here's a working guy set up by a snitch with an axe to grind...and again i find it difficult to lay the blame and jack booted label on the task force guys. more culpable, and less likely to be held so, is a system dependent on and beholden to enforcement of victimless, absurd "crimes" to ensure it's own existence and perpetuation...as the mw said at the time, with all that gear and all those guys, you gotta do something...no conflicts of interest there.

the problem is systemic, but the blame and the carnage falls to the street-level, mostly good-intentioned, psych-eval limited, ill-informed and poorly-trained cops, and the ordinary, imperfect, working-class, beer-drinking, maybe a little pot-smoking, loud- partying but pretty much live-and-let-live guy down the street...who sure as hell doesn't deserve to be attacked in his own private home doing his own private thing and not hurting another damned soul...jtc

tam, i know you were in atlanta a few years ago; do you have archive posts dealing with the ny prosecutors' strawman setups in ga? one of those guys who took great humbrage to charges of greed and illegal behavior was just a half-hour down the road from us in cobb county, but i don't know the outcomes...any old or new info?; 1:18 AM, April 06, 2008
Tam said...: "that old lady sure didn't deserve to be executed for selling some pot"

Actually, she wasn't selling anything. The informant was bogus. The dope was planted. The cops were busted.; 9:57 AM, April 06, 2008
Anonymous said...: The thing that's always so amusing about search referrer logs is what they reveal about people's thought processes.

There apparently are a whole lot of people out there who think of Google as an "answer machine." Ask it a question, and it will magically give you the answer.

Can police bust open a door... etc. Look -- stop it. Just, no.

police door non-felony warrant There ya go.

Granted, I suppose there's a chance this could be someone who recalls a specific phrase he read somewhere, and is trying to track it down again. But odds are it's someone who conceives of Google literally as a place where you get "answers," and answers are found, of course, by asking questions.

It's so weird. Human beings are so funny and dumb.; 3:17 PM, April 06, 2008
dave said...: and the cops that were doing what they were told to do, as keystone as it was, didn't deserve to be shot, or excoriated
Yes, actually, people who break into other peoples' homes with no legal right do deserve to be shot.

If they do so, then plant evidence to make it look like they did have a right, then they deserve to be shot in the kneecaps, then sent to prison with a "dirty cop" tattoo on their foreheads and housed in the general population. Anything more would be extremism.; 4:30 PM, April 06, 2008
the pawnbroker said...: i didn't say she was, tam:

http://poetnthepawnbroker.blogspot.com/; 5:06 PM, April 06, 2008