Goldfinger told Bond, "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action." I used to read the 007 novels over and over again when I was a teenager.
In this day and age the worst that can be leveled at the johns is that they're old-fashioned for paying for sex. There's a bottomless bucket of slutty 18 year olds looking for daddy and some spending money to pick from.
Not that I trust the government, mind you. It's just odd that in these unfortunate times they'd kill over it. Unless of course they've previously been as sanctimonious as Spitzer, but even then...
I have no doubt she was eliminated by those who wished the most for her silence.
FWIW ... I had a complete set of IF's Bond paperbacks back in the 70's ... long gone now sadly. They were my favorites till I met John Ronald Reuel Tolkien.
Hanging, people kill themselves by hanging - with all the lovely overdose drugs around? Hanging? what a nasty way to go - you really have to know something to get the broken neck right, and slow strangulation isn't pretty...
I just recently read "The Man Who Saved Britain", which is a very lively exploration of Ian Fleming the man and the cultural phenomenon of James Bond. I reccommend it.
On the topic, a couple of questions.
Exactly which "government"? The one that investigated, prosecuted, and publicised the cases and madde the names available?
The local police departments and medical examiners in the women's home towns?
And, why now? It seems to me that if one intends to kill witnesses to silence them, it makes little sense to wait until they have had two years to reveal what they know, multiple opportunities to testify in public well reported courtrooms, and are awaiting sentencing.
If I were able to provoke murder with my knowledge, I damned well would use it to get out of the charges. I certainly wouldn't leave it alone when I was on trial.
And finally, if I believed I was going to prison I'd kill myself too.
Looks like two sad suicides to me.
And people do hang themselves, I see it regularly. They seldom do a good job of it, it's not for amateurs.
I second the motion for a bucket of slutty 18 year olds.
Over at the site linked, there's bunches of people feeling sheepish for distrusting the government, but hell, it's easy to disbelieve what government says about the suspicious death of a highly placed madam when they can't even tell the truth about inflation and unemployment.
A good James Bond book to start with is "For Your Eyes Only." It's a collection of five short Bond stories, all good. Quick to read and they make it easy to decide whether or not you like Fleming's style. I do.
Interestingly, in at least one of them Bond is simply window dressing for a rather haunting character study/love story/tragedy. That one's "Quantum of Solace." Of course the upcoming movie will be completely different.
Actually, hanging is ALWAYS death by slow strangulation, it's just that if you do it "right" and break the neck, it looks a lot cleaner, because the victim is paralyzed from the neck down and can't struggle.
I suspect it would be a less popular method if more people knew that.
LabRat said... Actually, hanging is ALWAYS death by slow strangulation, it's just that if you do it "right" and break the neck, it looks a lot cleaner, because the victim is paralyzed from the neck down and can't struggle.
I suspect it would be a less popular method if more people knew that.
Unless you figure the drop height vs. body weight calculation wrong and completely tear their head off.
I'll bet that it's a lot higher than the suicide rate for cops, and even soldiers. (Recent story: DoD is shocked, Shocked! to find that soldiers --especially combat vets-- have a higher suicide rate than the average person. Well Duh.)
And high-end whores probably have a higher suicide rate than the street hookers because, well-- frankly-- they manage to live long enough to do the job themselves.
Sure, the DC madam had run a rather high-risk lifestyle. No doubt about it. But before that, she was a prostitute herself.
Back to my original question: If the answer is a number that is double digits, then at least one in ten ladies of the evening will die by their own hand. How many women worked for that madam over the course of her career?
I'm not saying that prostitution causes suicide-- I'm saying that whatever drives a woman (and I know that there can be many compelling causes) to sell her body to strangers to degrade it can also drive her, eventually, to take her own life.
Sorry. This close to finals, you get Downer Matt. ;) Maybe Happy Matt will make an appearence next week, sometime.
staghounds said... Come to think of it, I do see far more women use the rope than men.
It's speculated that they go with it because guns are messy and they don't want to take pills and then chicken out.
staghounds again said... On the bucket question, the phenomenon described sounds terrible. Has no one spoken to the mothers of these young ladies?
Many of their mommas are living vicariously through them. They're the ones dressing their 13 year olds like trash in addition to getting them on the pill, as well as saying that they want their daughters to see them as a friend rather than a mother. Often you'll also hear the mother saying "it's just me and her and we're like sisters".
Apparently it hasn't occurred to the mothers that their daughters will be picking their nursing homes.
Yes, the problem starts with their mothers. Lonely, desperate, yet attractive women trying to retain the last of their youthful fire vicariously.
Have them call me.
And fifty years from now, when the mothers of current eighteen year olds start needing nursing homes, there won't be a choice. They'll go where the state health care system sends them.
Goldfinger told Bond, "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
ReplyDeleteI used to read the 007 novels over and over again when I was a teenager.
Do you know, I have never read an Ian Fleming novel. Which is kind of an odd omission, now that I think about it...
ReplyDeleteIn this day and age the worst that can be leveled at the johns is that they're old-fashioned for paying for sex. There's a bottomless bucket of slutty 18 year olds looking for daddy and some spending money to pick from.
ReplyDeleteNot that I trust the government, mind you. It's just odd that in these unfortunate times they'd kill over it. Unless of course they've previously been as sanctimonious as Spitzer, but even then...
OA,
ReplyDeleteYou don't happen to have any of these buckets handy right now, do you?
I'm just asking.
It's for a friend.
I have no doubt she was eliminated by those who wished the most for her silence.
ReplyDeleteFWIW ... I had a complete set of IF's Bond paperbacks back in the 70's ... long gone now sadly. They were my favorites till I met John Ronald Reuel Tolkien.
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Turk Turon said...
ReplyDeleteOA,
You don't happen to have any of these buckets handy right now, do you?
I'm just asking.
It's for a friend.
11:09 AM, May 03, 2008
Friend, eh? Tell him to go to the nearest just off campus strip of bars at major university Thursday through Sunday.
Hanging, people kill themselves by hanging - with all the lovely overdose drugs around? Hanging? what a nasty way to go - you really have to know something to get the broken neck right, and slow strangulation isn't pretty...
ReplyDeleteI just recently read "The Man Who Saved Britain", which is a very lively exploration of Ian Fleming the man and the cultural phenomenon of James Bond. I reccommend it.
ReplyDeleteOn the topic, a couple of questions.
Exactly which "government"? The one that investigated, prosecuted, and publicised the cases and madde the names available?
The local police departments and medical examiners in the women's home towns?
And, why now? It seems to me that if one intends to kill witnesses to silence them, it makes little sense to wait until they have had two years to reveal what they know, multiple opportunities to testify in public well reported courtrooms, and are awaiting sentencing.
If I were able to provoke murder with my knowledge, I damned well would use it to get out of the charges. I certainly wouldn't leave it alone when I was on trial.
And finally, if I believed I was going to prison I'd kill myself too.
Looks like two sad suicides to me.
And people do hang themselves, I see it regularly. They seldom do a good job of it, it's not for amateurs.
I second the motion for a bucket of slutty 18 year olds.
ReplyDeleteOver at the site linked, there's bunches of people feeling sheepish for distrusting the government, but hell, it's easy to disbelieve what government says about the suspicious death of a highly placed madam when they can't even tell the truth about inflation and unemployment.
Actually, hanging/asphyxiation is now the preferred method of female suicide. Was news several months back.
ReplyDeleteA good James Bond book to start with is "For Your Eyes Only." It's a collection of five short Bond stories, all good. Quick to read and they make it easy to decide whether or not you like Fleming's style. I do.
ReplyDeleteInterestingly, in at least one of them Bond is simply window dressing for a rather haunting character study/love story/tragedy. That one's "Quantum of Solace." Of course the upcoming movie will be completely different.
Actually, hanging is ALWAYS death by slow strangulation, it's just that if you do it "right" and break the neck, it looks a lot cleaner, because the victim is paralyzed from the neck down and can't struggle.
ReplyDeleteI suspect it would be a less popular method if more people knew that.
LabRat said...
ReplyDeleteActually, hanging is ALWAYS death by slow strangulation, it's just that if you do it "right" and break the neck, it looks a lot cleaner, because the victim is paralyzed from the neck down and can't struggle.
I suspect it would be a less popular method if more people knew that.
Unless you figure the drop height vs. body weight calculation wrong and completely tear their head off.
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ReplyDeleteWhat's the suicide rate for whores? Anyone know?
ReplyDeleteI'll bet that it's a lot higher than the suicide rate for cops, and even soldiers. (Recent story: DoD is shocked, Shocked! to find that soldiers --especially combat vets-- have a higher suicide rate than the average person. Well Duh.)
And high-end whores probably have a higher suicide rate than the street hookers because, well-- frankly-- they manage to live long enough to do the job themselves.
Sure, the DC madam had run a rather high-risk lifestyle. No doubt about it. But before that, she was a prostitute herself.
Back to my original question: If the answer is a number that is double digits, then at least one in ten ladies of the evening will die by their own hand. How many women worked for that madam over the course of her career?
I'm not saying that prostitution causes suicide-- I'm saying that whatever drives a woman (and I know that there can be many compelling causes) to sell her body to strangers to degrade it can also drive her, eventually, to take her own life.
Sorry. This close to finals, you get Downer Matt. ;) Maybe Happy Matt will make an appearence next week, sometime.
"Do you know, I have never read an Ian Fleming novel. Which is kind of an odd omission, now that I think about it..."
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Me neither, come to think of it.
Downer Matt is on target.
ReplyDeleteCome to think of it, I do see far more women use the rope than men.
On the bucket question, the phenomenon described sounds terrible. Has no one spoken to the mothers of these young ladies?
No?
Well I suppose I shall have to.
"Do you know, I have never read an Ian Fleming novel. Which is kind of an odd omission, now that I think about it..."
ReplyDeleteI read them all during the early sixties, before they started making the movies. The movie Bond was a lot more dashing than the literary one.
staghounds said...
ReplyDeleteCome to think of it, I do see far more women use the rope than men.
It's speculated that they go with it because guns are messy and they don't want to take pills and then chicken out.
staghounds again said...
On the bucket question, the phenomenon described sounds terrible. Has no one spoken to the mothers of these young ladies?
Many of their mommas are living vicariously through them. They're the ones dressing their 13 year olds like trash in addition to getting them on the pill, as well as saying that they want their daughters to see them as a friend rather than a mother. Often you'll also hear the mother saying "it's just me and her and we're like sisters".
Apparently it hasn't occurred to the mothers that their daughters will be picking their nursing homes.
Ian Fleming also wrote "Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang." Don't tell me you haven't read that either.
ReplyDeleteYes, the problem starts with their mothers. Lonely, desperate, yet attractive women trying to retain the last of their youthful fire vicariously.
ReplyDeleteHave them call me.
And fifty years from now, when the mothers of current eighteen year olds start needing nursing homes, there won't be a choice. They'll go where the state health care system sends them.
Staghounds said:
ReplyDelete"Has no one spoken to the mothers of these young ladies? No? Well I suppose I shall have to."
Perhaps if we both spoke to them?