"Hopefully this thorough report puts to rest the various 9/11 conspiracy theories, which dishonor the men and women who lost their lives on that terrible day," said Silverstein spokeswoman Dara McQuillen.Y'know, if we live in a country full of engineers, it might. Unfortunately, we live in a country full of ignorant louts who think Martians from Roswell, NM shot JFK from the grassy knoll and carted his body off to Area 51. This is a country where real live grownups actually attended a bigfoot press conference, and then went home to watch programs about the healing power of Egyptian crystals on the goddam Discovery Channel. We are not a land of rational people. Look who won our presidential primaries, for Shiva's sake!
Books. Bikes. Boomsticks.
“I only regret that I have but one face to palm for my country.”
Actually, that kinda explains why the people voted the way they did in the primaries. That or their tinfoil beanies weren't double layered.
ReplyDeleteGmac
Kinda floats along the same lines as Scientology. Boy! I can't wait for the Mother Ship to come. BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
ReplyDeleteIt's kind of shocking to find that someone you had liked, whose company you had previously enjoyed, has turned into a Troofer. No amount of facts, data, or information will sway their conviction that it's all just a vast conspiracy.
ReplyDeleteI was so stunned to learn this of someone that I actually spent a little time discussing the decrease in tensile strength of steel due to an increase in temperature with them (yes, I'm geeky mechanical engineer). Water off a duck's back, and he changed the topic to "evidence of controlled demolition". I then asked how it was concievable that a secret which would have neccesarily involved tens of thousands of people could be kept. Instantly he moved to the next topic.
I've found that you can debunk one small topic at a time...and they invariably slide to the next one. Trying to discuss anything rationally with a conspiracy theorist is a lot like playing whack-a-mole.
I regret having to write-off another person, but I don't deal well with total irrationality.
"This is a country where real live grownups actually attended a bigfoot press conference, and then went home to watch programs about the healing power of Egyptian crystals on the goddam Discovery Channel."
ReplyDeleteAnd that's after looking up their horoscopes...
Idiocracy... who says we've got 500 years before it gets here?
ReplyDelete*shrug*
ReplyDeleteFalsifiability. All these things come down to flawed "scientific" theories which lack falsifiability.
"Prove that explosives weren't used to take down WTC 1, 2, & 7."
"Prove that Bigfoot doesn't exist."
Prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster didn't create the universe with his noodly appendage."
I admit, near the beginning, I was a bit skeptical that a pair of airplanes had knocked down three buildings, but while the collapses look like demolition work, as you say, the idea that buildings that large could have been wired to drop without anyone knowing about it is fairly ludicrous.
I enjoy wacky theories, and there are enough cases of once totally unbelievably ending up as the accepted theory in natural sciences (Wegener and moving continents, anyone?) that I'm willing to look at some of the funny stuff at least half seriously. But I admit that the true believers are weird. Ok to look at things and to think about them, but you just don't believe something like a huge hairy primate living in the woods next to you unless you have really compelling evidence. And from what I have read of human perception and memory even seeing something with your own eyes, if it happened only once and fast, isn't good enough. We can be rather easily fooled. And successful conspiracies involving more than a few people... well, lets say that they seem to be sort of rare, so why dig for one when there is a perfectly plausible explanation for what happened.
ReplyDelete9/11 Truthers, all show, no substance.
ReplyDeleteOne of the most perfect cases I've ever seen of pure marketing for the sole purpose of making someone famous.
I can tell you this, if that moron Dylan Avery ever gets within arm's reach of me, I'm going to make sure he's taking his sustenance with the aid of a nurse and straw for the rest of his life. And as for that little shit-stain lackey fanboy of his, Jason Bermas, I'm going to knock another hole into that gap-toothed grin he's always wearing when pimping himself on the idiot box.
Can't wait for that thin veneer of civilization to wear off.
I was almost ready to suspend my disbelief about the Bigfoot until I read that they found it in north Georgia. At some point or another, since the arrival of European settlers most of that area had been cleared by fire or farmers.
ReplyDeleteIn the broadest sense of the word it is possible that something like that could be found there, but the only explanation that I can come up with involves space aliens.
Maybe the USFS reintroduced Bigfoots to the area like they did with red wolves and elk.
I know where you folks are coming from, believe me. But don't you wonder who these nut cases really are, and how they dream up all their Twilight Zone nonsense?
ReplyDeleteI found a bunch of them here: http://patriotsquestion911.com/
General Wesley Clark, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. European Command....Supreme Allied Commander Europe. ...overall command of NATO military forces in Europe 1997 - 2001. Awarded Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart for his service in Viet Nam....
Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981 - 1984. Also commanded.... Member, Military Intelligence Hall of Fame...."I measured pieces of Soviet equipment from photographs. It was my job. I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole’. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?"
Raymond L. McGovern – Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA, responsible for preparing the President’ Daily Brief (PDB) for Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. 27-year CIA veteran. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer....."I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 report is a joke."
Louis Freeh – Director of the FBI, 1993 - 2001. "....No wonder the 9/11 families were outraged by these revelations and called for a "new" commission to investigate."
And http://patriotsquestion911.com/ has more tin-foil hat conspiracy wackos, including:
"140+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials
520+ Engineers and Architects
120+ Pilots and Aviation Professionals
270+ Professors Question 9/11
210+ 9/11 Survivors and Family Members...."
Geesh! This insanity must be a virus or something. What's this country coming to?
People like you are the only hope our nation has. Keep up the good work!
"People like you are the only hope our nation has. Keep up the good work!"
ReplyDeleteSarcasm requires wit. You're halfway there.
BTW, Mr. Truther, I'm posting this from Blackwater, just in case you need another factoid for your theory. Any questions you want me to ask the NWO mercs while I'm here?
ReplyDeleteOne of my multimedia professors is a troofer. I nearly got into a huge argument with him in class over it, but I decided it wasn't worth risking my grade. No one likes him anyway.
ReplyDelete"'I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole’'"
ReplyDeleteI always laugh at the whole "missile hit the Pentagon" theory.
We've got video footage from numerous angles, and thousands of witnesses that two planes hit the WTC buildings. We've got another plane which absolutely DID go down in PN. So why would the Government Conspiracists then use a frickin' missile to attack the Pentagon? After all, they've already talked some suicidal pilots into driving planes into civilian targets; why would they have trouble getting 'em to drive a jet into a realio-trulio American Military target? In broad daylight? In Arlington?
Re; "Sarcasm requires wit. You're halfway there."
ReplyDeleteWhy no comment on the body of the post, Tam? Viz. Airline & military pilots? CIA & FBI people, military intell types? Physicists & engineers....?
Re: Matt G. "I always laugh at the whole "missile hit the Pentagon" theory"
ReplyDelete"I measured pieces of Soviet equipment from photographs. It was my job. I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole’. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?"
-Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981 - 1984....
Perhaps you'd care to enlighen us, Matt. What information are you privy to that General Stubblebine seems to have missed?
And btw, the general insn´t claiming a missile struck the Pentagon. He'a pointing out that airliner did not.
stieger,
ReplyDeleteGo waste your time elsewhere. I personally know two people who saw the goddam plane hit the building with their, you know, eyes. I don't need to believe a general who doesn't seem to exist outside of the conspiranoiaverse, other than a citation in Wikipedia claiming he believes in remote viewing and psychic powers.
I know you live in an exciting fucking fantasy universe where skyscrapers topple like trees and aluminum jets leave perfect cookie-cutter Looney Toon holes in stone walls, so why don't you go back to that universe and leave us poor blind sheeple in the real one alone?
Stieger, we aren't arguing your post because you're a fucking asshole.
ReplyDeleteYou're welcome. And stay where you are for a few more seconds, ZOG's having trouble triangulating you. That tinfoil does sorta work, kinda.
Re: "I know you live in an exciting fucking fantasy universe where skyscrapers topple like trees and aluminum jets leave perfect cookie-cutter Looney Toon holes in stone walls"
ReplyDeleteTam, now you have me confused. I thought skyscrapers toppling like trees and aluminum jets leaving perfect cookie-cutter holes in STEEL walls was just one more thing US TROOFERS were claiming was screwy about the Official Government Conspiracy Theory (OGT).
Re: "I don't need to believe a general who doesn't seem to exist outside of the conspiranoiaverse...."
Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret):
West Point(Class of 1952), Masters degree in chemical engineering from Columbia, former head of the U.S. Army Intelligence & Security Command (INSCOM) 1981-84.... This stuff is all easy to verify.
"Doesn't seem to exist outside of the conspiranoiaverse?" You can't be serious...are you? Well, actually, all things considered, Tam, perhaps you are really...uhm, serious. Ok,then how about General Wesley Clark? Or FBI Director Louis Freeh? More conspiranoiaverse phantoms?
Re: "....believes in remote viewing and psychic powers."
Intelligence services worldwide do much research into paranormal-psychology and phenomenon. Looking outside the box is part of a spook's job.
Re: "....we aren't arguing your post because you're a fucking asshole."
GOOD reason, Stevie!
Re: "Go waste your time elsewhere."
There's something on which we agree Tam.
It's been fun (really :-). Y'all have a nice day now, hear?
Bye bye!
Stieger
stieger,
ReplyDeleteGrow a brain and learn to think for yourself, instead of relying on what others think.
If you want to learn how all the stuff happened and why, your local community college is a good start. I'd suggest math, all the way up to calculus, and then, I'd go to physics. After that, you could take some statics and strengths of materials, assuming there is coursework covering such.
Really, Dylan Avery is a schmuck who's pulled the wool over a bunch of people's eyes...and you seem to be a willing participant.
Hmm - yeah - 911 and ignorance. Here's a couple of things most people seem ignorant of:
ReplyDeleteinverted cars near the WTC:
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/JJ1.html#lift
A hurricane in the Atlantic - closest to NYC during the events of 9/11
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/
Even though this posed a potential risk to the coast there, it was barely reported.
So who knew about these things? And who wants to determine what was going on?
A professor of mechanical engineering, that's who:
http://www.drjudywood.com/
Looks like someone's got some e'splainin to do...
Jeezis Christ, there's just no point in showing you schmucks the truth, is there?
ReplyDeleteWhere do you fuckups come from?
Re: there's just no point in showing you schmucks the truth, is there?
ReplyDeleteOK, truth: The 9/11 Commission Report.
You´re satisfied, for example, with what the Report's version of the collapse of WTC Building 7?
I don't need the report to tell me what I already KNOW, you idiot.
ReplyDeleteYou see, I have a professional degree in this shit too, so I can formulate an objective analysis on my own.
How 'bout you, Anon?
No, I'm neither an architect nor a structural engineer. But I have read the 9/11 Commission Report. And I've also read what architects and engineers with advanced degrees and long experience have to say about 911 and--for purposes of this discussion--what they have to say about Building 7 in particular.
ReplyDeleteAbout my background:
I have sufficient training and experience in the use of explosives to recognise what was clearly a classic, controlled building demolition. Building demolition professionals are on record as having said the same, while stating their reasons for believing so.
More on my background:
Besides demolitions, I also have sufficient training and practical field experience in the "up close & personal" combat arts to dissuade a banal, blathering, and profane Internet coward like yourself from even fantasizing about saying such things to me, face to face.
Taking it on your word that you otherwise have the intelligence to thoroughly research this issue, it is blatantly obvious that you are like most others of your ilk, and the truth of the reason you have not bothered to do so is that you lack the moral integrity and (again) the courage to investigate and consider information with which you might disagree. In short, Kansas, you have no balls.
"No, I'm neither an architect nor a structural engineer. But I have read the 9/11 Commission Report."
ReplyDelete...and I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night!
It's easy to throw around claims of badassitude on the intarw3bz behind a shield of anonymity, though, ain't it?
You don't have the balls to use your own name (at least your buddy "Steiger" has a handle) but you have the nerve to make threats in my comments section.
Don't bother responding, "Anonymouse", because it's just going to get deleted, capiche?
That was me, Tam, "Stieger." For whatever reason, I couldn't get Stieger signed on.... not that that matters.
ReplyDeleteAnd I made no threats, only observations, observations that could easily & justifiably be applied to what I've read from you and your forum crew.
Trying to look at ALL sides of an issue is how I came upon your blog. But I quickly found nothing meaningful (besides your 2nd Amendment stance which--wonder of wonders!--is one place where you happen to be absolutely and VERIFIABLY correct. I've well-researched that most-important issue too (honest :-)
But then I stuck around just for fun...and yes, thank you, it's been lots of that :-) But it's just not fun anymore, you know, Tam?
Still, I cannot for the life of me understand why people like you (and yours), EVEN THOUGH YOU CLEARLY CARE SO VERY MUCH ABOUT SOMETHING, will not--can not?--reach down insides yourselves and find the stones to try to learn what the other side really thinks, and why they are thinking it?
In fact, isn´t just that part of what Blackwater's Navy SEAL "visitors" learn. Viz. to know the enemy. I'd bet they have the stones to look into all sides of a question after they've hung up their battle-harnesses for the last time,and kicked back in front of their computers with a Salty-dog, and a stogie the size Vincent Olivera used to puff while running a class of fresh "Bananas" into the sand of the Silver Strand.
I don't normally use profanity in a post, but Tam, & Kansas & all the rest, this one''s for you:
Hoo-ya!!
With utmost sincerity,
Stieger
"That was me, Tam, "Stieger." For whatever reason, I couldn't get Stieger signed on.... not that that matters.
ReplyDelete"
It matters enough that I'll let your post stand.
I have no fucking respect for shit-talkers that hide behind the handle of "Anonymouse", but any name is better than no name.
'Til that day, then.
stieger sez:
ReplyDelete"I also have sufficient training and practical field experience in the "up close & personal" combat arts to dissuade a banal, blathering, and profane Internet coward like yourself from even fantasizing about saying such things to me, face to face."
If I knew where you lived, I'd make an appointment with you...and in the end, you'd lose...twice.
Oh, and if you are the demolitions badass that you claim, you'd likely know WHY a building collapses, STRAIGHT DOWN, and that in the rare event that it isn't, the only way to do it is with your dynamite and appropriately timed fuses.
You lose.
An' anyone who threatens my roomie, threatens me. All my stuff is here; I have a stake.
ReplyDelete...Okay, say 9-11 was a Big Conspiracy: what did they get from it? A small, fierce war and awkward occupation; another unpopular war the media has a heyday over. A PR-disaster wishlist of security legislation they've not been able to do much with.
Where's the martial law? Where's the government-for-life? --The Feds got nothin' but headaches out of 9-11. It it was a conspiracy, they're the biggest bunch of fumblefingered losers that ever convened a Camarilla. And if that's so, how'd they ever set it up to begin with?
Nope, it won't wash. Bye, now!
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ReplyDeleteI'm just waiting for the Troofers to allege that the Pope did it, the Vatican is a hotbed of anti-fundamentalist conspiracy, and the Jesuits planted the bombs.
ReplyDeleteOh - and the FBI has been infiltrated by the Inquisition (which was formerly headed by the present Pope - proof positive!), and that's why their investigations haven't uncovered da TROOF!
:-)
I have sufficient training and experience in the use of explosives to recognise what was clearly a classic, controlled building demolition.
ReplyDeleteGoodness. Let us set aside the whole "classic, controlled building demolition" bit -- because jets of dust and debris propelled by overpressure are not a sign of "classic, controlled building demolition".
It takes three months to properly prep a building the size of WTC #7 for an explosive controlled demolition -- as you no doubt know, the term implosion is most incorrect -- and that three months is without having to sneak about after hours. Now, given that the two towers were a hell of a lot bigger than WTC #7, we can assume it might take a bit longer than three months.
Of not sneaking.
So, during that more-than-three months, how do you hide what you're doing?
I'm not talking about hiding the LSC's, or the thousands of dynamite holes -- for a building the size of WTC #7 it would require 200-300 holes and 400 pounds of dynamite, so we can figure somewhat more for something the size of the full two World Trade Centre towers -- how do you hide the removal of the requisite interior walls and secondary load-bearing supports?
I'm going to assume -- based on your experience -- that you're not going to use the traditional sandbags to tamp your det cord shattering charges -- what will you use? How do you tamp those det cord wraps?
Or do you just hope that the office occupants simply don't notice that one corner of their office is now full of sandbags?
So, let us postulate that the regular inhabitants of the WTC don't notice the loops of detonation cord winding around pillars, the missing walls and supports, the LSC's, the drilled charge holes, sandbags, blast blankets and so on.
How do you initiate this event? Given the training that you refer to, I don't have to point out that the two WTC towers were very large, very inefficient radio antennaes, filled with multiple objects producing radio waves over half of the EM spectrum, so radio detonation is right out.
Timers? Remember what your first det instructor told you about timers -- there's a reason that det cord and shock tubes were developed.
So, you either run cord or tubes to your initiating point -- how? How do you hide a bundle of det cord the size of a woman's waist along halls, through walls and down stairwells without somebody kinda, well, noticing it?
Building demolition professionals are on record as having said the same, while stating their reasons for believing so.
Which professionals, and what are their qualifications?
LawDog
Stieger,
ReplyDeleteI am an engineer, one specialized in mechanics and fire protection. Though six mechanics courses and three fire protection courses, I’ve gone over all the evidence, and can show with the appropriate calculations why the towers fell to the airplane strikes, not any demolitions. By the way do you know how your demo experts learned how to drop a building? They saw a structural collapse, and figured out how to break a building evenly. Thus it came straight down. Looking at the building you’ll notice a large static load aggravated by a steady heat, which breaks the floor evenly. Each floor is designed to only hold it’s load, so when you add the floor above it cleaves the new floor, and etc. As the falling floors collapse they gain mass thus increasing the terminal speed, so it gains velocity. End of structures lecture. Your General Stubblebine isn't an engineer or physicist, so he (nor you) could make an accurate statement concerning the damage a small plane is going to make on a steel reinforced concrete ring. In fact his job was to do the grunt work so someone like me could calculate the speed the plane hit with. Please don’t threaten me, it just saps any credibility you might have had.
General Wesley Clark, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. European Command...
ReplyDelete...and who was relieved of that command due to personal integrity issues.
Just because somebody achieves high military or bureaucratic rank doesn't mean that they are trustworthy. All it may mean is that they are better at sticking knives in the backs of their peers... which again describes GEN Clark to a "T".
Besides demolitions, I also have sufficient training and practical field experience in the "up close & personal" combat arts to dissuade a banal, blathering, and profane Internet coward like yourself from even fantasizing about saying such things to me, face to face.
ReplyDeleteLet me guess. You're protecting a mall somewhere, right?
Post a name and address and I'll be more than happy to come say that and plenty of other things to your face. I'll also check out whether you're a SEAL, a National Guard truck driver or a 14 year old posting from mommy's basement.
I think LawDog effectively ended the question about it being a controlled demo.
ReplyDeleteAll of you are way fucking off base here.
ReplyDelete9/11 was a distraction by the US Government to cover up the indisputable fact that we never landed on the moon!!!!!
I've been up close and personal with plenty of people who knew others who might have relatives in NASA and I have a pretty good working knowledge of Wikipedia and I'm telling you the moon landing was faked. 9/11 was perpetrated by a Zionist group that has infiltrated the US Government in order to create a scare so that they can sell more luggage screening equipment.
OPEN YOUR EYES SHEEPLE!!! THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!!!
Gee, it seems that others have taken a serious dislike to this stieger character as well, and are more than willing to step up to the plate for a "face-to-face". Funny, as I was pretty sure that he was calling me to the mat on this one, and no one else. *shrug*
ReplyDeleteGuess we'll all just have to take a number, or is it first come, first serve?
"...and I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night!"
ReplyDeleteTo quote:
QotD!
Tamara winz teh interw3bz!!!11!!!one!
tweaker
Lawdog
ReplyDeletethey controlled the Detonators by mind rays! Didn't need det cord, just a cap in each charge with an antenna made out of unobtainium alloy that was precisely cut to the PSI brainwavelength ;)
That Albert Stubblebine is a PSI expert and a firm believer in Chemtrails. That is one of the reasons he was bounced from Inscom. Spent too much time imagineering strange shit when he should have been watching the other side of the Iron curtain.
What really makes me chuckle is this: I had a real TS clearance, and I was privy to only a tiny smidgen of data in a highly compartmentalized system Only if i needed to know it to do my duties. Yet I was travel restricted, could NOT travel to Berlin on a Morale & Welfare trip due to the fact that we had to take the train through East Germany. When I was stationed at Ft Huachuca I was restricted from visiting Nogales MX, because of the Soviet Consulate located there.. I was just a Sensor operator in an antique turboprop OV-1D - Not Francis Gary Powers fer gawd's sake
Now the POSEURS like Steiger and Annon want you to believe that they have the magical superclearance that allows them to know all thing classified, ignoring the compartmentalization of data and need to know. And while knowing all this secret squirrel shit, they close in "up close and personal" with Ivan and Wo Fat and Accchmed to do bodily harm for Troof Just-US, and the AmeriKKKan way.
I am depressed, my Re-enlistment NCO never told me about that option, or I would have Just jumped at such a Fabulous offer. Just Crushed I tell you.
Reality is just so damn boring...
"OPEN YOUR EYES SHEEPLE!!! THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!!!"
ReplyDeleteThey can't, at least not until the chemtrail dust has settled out. That stuff will rot your brain...
C'mon folks, this bickering is only a trick to distract you from the fact that Bigfoot shot at Oswald from the Grassy Knoll on orders of a Cuban Zionist Organization bent on cutting up Nessie to achieve World Fish Stick Domination through rapid delivery UFOs!!!
ReplyDeleteAnd I think the Rothschilds were in there somewhere too, but don't remember exactly cause the aluminum is too tight...
Okay, ixnay on the oonmay andinglay, or they'll take away your secret decoder ring. This message will self-destruct.
ReplyDeleteB&N,
ReplyDeleteMy sincere apologies. You get first crack at the crackpot, should you wish it.
Regards,
John
John,
ReplyDeleteNo apologies necessary, sir.
I think with your proximate position to the tango, it only makes sense that you get dibs.
Leave some for me, though, willya?
Regards,
B&N
Done, sir.
ReplyDeleteNow, the rules I prefer are:
No biting;
No eye gouging;
No fishhooks.
Match will end by knockout or submission only.
I live in Augusta, but can travel to Atlanta or the equivalent without too much trouble.
Where are ya, trufer? I have a perfectly legitimate "sporting proposition" for you...
John, you forgot "all body parts will be returned to the owner after the match."
ReplyDeleteBut whaddaIknow, I'm just a fat over 40 retired squidly (who also had a security clearance and is peeved that I never got invited to join the vast military-industrial conspiracy).
Heh-heh-heh.
ReplyDeleteJohn,
ReplyDeleteI wanna play!
"Match will end by knockout or submission only."
ReplyDeleteSubmission? You let him off too easily, in my estimation. You are a far more generous man than I, sir.
If it were me, I'd just keep pulling until the bone snapped.
Look into it, I find it a good technique for permanantly fixing attitudes.
If you think about it, forcing a belligerent to "submit" is in some ways more humiliating than defeating in other ways.
ReplyDeleteI do confess I tend to be more of a smash and break type guy, though.