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Monday, January 26, 2009
It's only January, but...
...barring a really strong showing from the competition, I think that American Tactical Imports has this year's Waffenpossenhaft Award in the bag. I haven't seen a more pointless shoulder-fired smoothbore since the Crossfire.
Over here Tam in the UK we are not allowed to have semi auto Rifles but we can have semi auto shotguns and have both 12 bore and 410 AK47 type shotguns and i think the M16 in 410 will be fairly popular.
It will give Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Sarah Brady, and Joe Biden something else to add to their scary-stuff-we-must-not-trust-the-ordinary-people-with list. If someone gave me one, I'd see if I could swap uppers. I've been tempted to build a 6x45mm rifle.
I can shoot at squirrels, birds and other pests with the 20 ga. Remington 870. I paid a whopping $160 for it.
They buy most of their parts from Continental Machine in New Britain CT via Sabre defence in England. I saw a 5 ball load in a .410 once. Yeah, it's a toy, but it beats a golf club. And someday, little bobby might grow up and get a real gun. Word verification UNOTTERS. Would that be beavers?
Maybe I'm dumb, but I don't see what's wrong with this. It seems like it might be good for home defense or anti-riot defense. You can be less precise with this than with an AR-15 and still send hurt other people's way. I'd also imagine that it has similar fire controls to an AR-15.
Umm, maybe with .410 slugs, but I'm thinkin' there are more powerful rounds already engineered for the AR.
(Confessing my lack-of-interest in AR's here; when I was a yoot, the gummint offered to loan me one and give me all the ammo I cared to run through it. It hasn't had much attraction for me since.)
I can kinda see the attraction for those behind the wire, where regular ARs are withheld from the commoners. I can also maybe see the use if somebody wants a .410 shotgun with the same feel of the AR platform.
At the listed prices, it isn't too much more expensive than a Remington 1100, but it's still just a .410. A Saiga 12 seems like it would be far more attractive if I wanted a shotgun that mimicked an EBR.
Given proper uppers, my AR* can shoot .22lr, 9mm, 45, 223, 6.8, .30AR (I think), .45 bushmaster, and now a common and fairly versatile, CHEAP, shotgun round. Hell, with a conversion upper I can shoot .50BMG.
Y'know, I've heard that same sentiment (to varying degrees, about different firearms or shooting in general) from six or seven people who've been in the military. Leave it to Uncle Sam to take something that ought to be fun and engaging and turn it into a friggin' chore.
No, there are various .50 BMG uppers that pin on your standard lower. Remember that the lower in Stoner's design is virtually an unstressed part, which is why some companies have been able to make them out of plastic...
Hey, Doc Strangegun: Guess who got herself an MGI Quick Change Barrel upper? Neener. Neener. :p
The thing for the waffenposselhaft candidacy is that .410 is of only marginal utility; its shot payload (bird or buck) is too light to be really effective and its slugs are anemic when compared even to .223. As has been pointed out above this thing's value comes either from jumping through legal loopholes where required, or novelty, but it has about as much practical utility as a kickstand on a tank.
I've got a Saiga 12 and the Saiga's are also produced in 410. I guess it's an isssue or the AR following the AK again. I'll grant you it is kinda tacticool but I call it my zombie repellent. But if you have a AR already its makes for a nifty option to just get the upper.
Word Verification: "knogg".... I'm going to leave that alone.
I think it would be a blast to take one of these out on a dove hunt. I mean... can you imagine the looks if you showed up wearing 5.11's, aviator glasses, chewing a cigar and toting one of these?
Over here Tam in the UK we are not allowed to have semi auto Rifles but we can have semi auto shotguns and have both 12 bore and 410 AK47 type shotguns and i think the M16 in 410 will be fairly popular.
ReplyDeleteIt will give Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Sarah Brady, and Joe Biden something else to add to their scary-stuff-we-must-not-trust-the-ordinary-people-with list. If someone gave me one, I'd see if I could swap uppers. I've been tempted to build a 6x45mm rifle.
ReplyDeleteI can shoot at squirrels, birds and other pests with the 20 ga. Remington 870. I paid a whopping $160 for it.
Yep ... a weapon created by insane victim-disarmament laws.
ReplyDeleteThey buy most of their parts from Continental Machine in New Britain CT via Sabre defence in England.
ReplyDeleteI saw a 5 ball load in a .410 once.
Yeah, it's a toy, but it beats a golf club. And someday, little bobby might grow up and get a real gun.
Word verification UNOTTERS. Would that be beavers?
Well, Beretta just introduced a break-open semi-automatic shotgun (yep, you read that right) that may give them a run for the money ...
ReplyDeleteMaybe I'm dumb, but I don't see what's wrong with this. It seems like it might be good for home defense or anti-riot defense. You can be less precise with this than with an AR-15 and still send hurt other people's way. I'd also imagine that it has similar fire controls to an AR-15.
ReplyDeleteOr have I missed something obvious?
Umm, maybe with .410 slugs, but I'm thinkin' there are more powerful rounds already engineered for the AR.
ReplyDelete(Confessing my lack-of-interest in AR's here; when I was a yoot, the gummint offered to loan me one and give me all the ammo I cared to run through it. It hasn't had much attraction for me since.)
I can kinda see the attraction for those behind the wire, where regular ARs are withheld from the commoners. I can also maybe see the use if somebody wants a .410 shotgun with the same feel of the AR platform.
ReplyDeleteAt the listed prices, it isn't too much more expensive than a Remington 1100, but it's still just a .410. A Saiga 12 seems like it would be far more attractive if I wanted a shotgun that mimicked an EBR.
All I know is, I want one.
ReplyDeleteGiven proper uppers, my AR* can shoot .22lr, 9mm, 45, 223, 6.8, .30AR (I think), .45 bushmaster, and now a common and fairly versatile, CHEAP, shotgun round. Hell, with a conversion upper I can shoot .50BMG.
*when I get all the parts.
I'm with Dr. StrangeGun on this one. Might as well wring all you can out of a modular platform.
ReplyDeleteBesides, I imagine there is some application for a mag full of these:
Winchester Super X Buckshot XB410000, 410 Gauge, 2 1/2", 3 Pellets, 1300 fps, #000 Lead Buckshot, 5 Rd/bx
Rickn8tor,
ReplyDeleteY'know, I've heard that same sentiment (to varying degrees, about different firearms or shooting in general) from six or seven people who've been in the military. Leave it to Uncle Sam to take something that ought to be fun and engaging and turn it into a friggin' chore.
~BakerMike
Strangegun, you mean .50 Beowulf, don't you? I can't see the AR holding up to BMG.
ReplyDeleteEven the Beowulf gives a credible imitation of the '03 Springfield.
No, there are various .50 BMG uppers that pin on your standard lower. Remember that the lower in Stoner's design is virtually an unstressed part, which is why some companies have been able to make them out of plastic...
ReplyDeleteHey, Doc Strangegun: Guess who got herself an MGI Quick Change Barrel upper? Neener. Neener. :p
The thing for the waffenposselhaft candidacy is that .410 is of only marginal utility; its shot payload (bird or buck) is too light to be really effective and its slugs are anemic when compared even to .223. As has been pointed out above this thing's value comes either from jumping through legal loopholes where required, or novelty, but it has about as much practical utility as a kickstand on a tank.
I've got a Saiga 12 and the Saiga's are also produced in 410. I guess it's an isssue or the AR following the AK again. I'll grant you it is kinda tacticool but I call it my zombie repellent.
ReplyDeleteBut if you have a AR already its makes for a nifty option to just get the upper.
Word Verification: "knogg"....
I'm going to leave that alone.
The chainsaw-bayonet was designed just for this application!
ReplyDeleteSee, word: chamb
I think it would be a blast to take one of these out on a dove hunt. I mean... can you imagine the looks if you showed up wearing 5.11's, aviator glasses, chewing a cigar and toting one of these?
ReplyDeleteVerification work: slister
Looks like fun to me.
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