You know how ex-smokers are sometimes the most annoying jerks to smokers? Well, I'm an ex-gun dork.
In a post over at the Firearms Blog about a new 9mm variant of the Legacy Sports M-1 carbine clone, one gun dork in comments expressed a desire for the same gun in the "MUCH more potent" 9x23mm Winchester cartridge.
Hey, Pointdexter! The .30 M1 Carbine is already available in a pistol cartridge that is much more potent, much more expensive, and much harder to find than 9x19mm (and equally questionable on whitetail, to boot.) You might have heard of it...
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Maybe Ruger could use the round in one fo their really strong single actions. How cool would that be?
"The .30 M1 Carbine is already available in a pistol cartridge that is much more potent..."
They make a 10mm M1?
"But it's not MY pistol cartridge!"
Putting in the 9x23 in an M1 Carbine would be like making a Desert Eagle in .44 Special.
"Putting in the 9x23 in an M1 Carbine would be like making a Desert Eagle in .44 Special."
Your internet is in the mail. :)
I thought it would be nice to get an unchambered barrel and chamber it in 7.62x25; out of that length ought to be about as hot as the original cartridge, and there was LOTS of cheap ammo around!
Which isn't the case anymore, so nevermind.
The Spaniards were way ahead of this curve decades ago. Go google "destroyer carbine". Does this dorkiness make my butt look big?
Critter,
I am a little appalled that you think I don't know what one is.
Heh.
I'm pretty sure the SD of .30 is much higher than the 125-grain bullets of the 9x23.
Though the 9x23mm Win in a carbine would be cool. 1500 fps from a 5" barrel. How much velocity would 11" add? 300 fps?
I sometimes have thoughts of building an AR in .44 Mag if I could make it run.
Call it Thumper in honor of The Colonel.
Gun hipsters. Feh.
gvi
Scott J,
Dream big. AR-10 chambered in .45-70...
If only there was something like a small handy carbine in a caliber somewhere around the neighborhood of 9mm, but moving faster. Oh, and if it had a built in magazine and was manually operated so one didn't need to worry about potential bans.
Those things could really sell. If only they existed.
.30 M1 is harder to find than 9x19?
Maybe not right now...
I'd say about on par these days.
Please don't be appalled.I was speaking to the general audience in my sage internet voice. I feel certain you are quite conversant as to obscure Peninsular carbines.
"Those things could really sell. If only they existed."
I'm showing my gun knowledge ass here. Doesn't the Camp 9 hit this button, and didn't they stop making it just for funsies? I know it doesn't have an integrated magazine and it's not a bolt action. But instead of an M1 replica wouldn't one of those fit the bill?
My Dad has one and it's one of the reasons being an only child is cool. I don't know how practical the thing is but it sure is fun. And it shares magazines with my pistola.
Better if they'd convert a high powered bolt action to a semiauto pistol cartridge.
If only someone would design some sort of device...
Jay G., the .458 SOCOM fills that niche.
I'm looking at .44 mag as cheaper to reload than it or the .45-70.
Raving Prophet,
I 'm not sure the concept of a pistol caliber, lever action, 16" barrel carbine will ever catch on... maybe if they made it in stainless steel with plastic furniture and adaptable for EO sights, lasers and flashlights?
Wait, isn't that a ranch gun, or are those too short?
I'm so very confused. Carbines, semiauto, bolt action, calibers used mainly in Spain during rain!!!
I'll be over here using .38SPL in my Marlin 1894 LEVER ACTION instead of .357s, because I think it works better using larger diameter bullets without having the louder noise, I guess.
The answer is phasers.
The question is unimportant.
BGM
Speaking of gun dork.
Am I the only one that remembers reading about a M1 carbine conversion to 45 win mag?
I want a broomhandle mauser in .30 Carbine myself...
Of course there could be a version tricked out to look like Han Solo's blaster!
Now that would be a dork's dork gun.
Ratus: That would be the LeMAG Firearms conversion. Tim LeGendre also offered .50 Action Express carbine conversions.
Close, Daniel.
It was LaFrance Specialty Weapons that offered the M1 Carbine in .45 Win Mag.
They had to take it off the market because the cartridge kept cracking the lugs off of the Carbine bolts.
I just wish someone would get around to designing a decent semi-auto .357 Magnum carbine of some sort.
I know, I know we have lever guns. But box magazines are just so darn handy.
-Rob
Out of my Marlin 62, 30C 110gr handloads clock well over 2,000FPS.
Firing them into water filled gallon milk jugs is instructive. And destructive. Plus, that levergun groups handloads into an inch +/- at a hunnert yards.
MACVS2
Seems I recall something being said about a belt fed Winchester .30-30...
A pity the M-1 Carbine wasn't brought out in .351 Winchester. Williams wanted that, but was overruled by the army weenies. Picture Audie Murphy plugging Nazis with a real deer rifle. They would have had to give him two CMH's.
Woodman, the only thing I'm squeamish about concerning the Camp gun, at least in 45ACP, is that the bolt is too light for Plus P loads, and marginal with 230 grain. Most 9mm loads put out mid to high 300's in foot pounds, and .45's usually run low to mid 400's. I suspect the boys ran a 9mm bolt opened up to a .45 rim rather than putting a bit more steel behind the bang.
Watch a .45 Camp Gun fired near dark and you'll see a LOT of fire coming out the ejection port along with the case. Kinda makes you wish they'd stuck a two ounce slug of carbide in that bolt somewhere to slow it down.
None of this means anything to me.
Not a gun dork. Not quite sure how I feel about this...
I don't get the point.
Why bother with M1 in whatever caliber is the Czech vz. 58 is equally handy, more powerful, cheaper, and kilotons of suitable ammo are known to exist in stockpiles around the world..
I know there are AK's too, but 58 does the same thing in a bit classier.
I hate gun dorks.
Anon 5:28,
.30 Mauser is not THAT much different from .30 carbine. Content yourself and get the Broomhandle.
gvi
I see what you did there, tam.
Can we talk about which is better .280 Remington or .30-06 now?
How about 6.5 Grendel vs 6.8 SPC?
"Can we talk about which is better .280 Remington or .30-06 now?"
.30-06, definitely. .280's splitting hairs with 7mm Mauser and .284 Winchester. .30-06, on the other hand, is a very versatile cartridge. Not only can .30-06 stand on its own, but it's the parent cartridge of .25-06, .270 Winchester, .308, .243 Winchester, and a host of others.
"How about 6.5 Grendel vs 6.8 SPC?"
Pfft! Upstarts.
Kristophr: LeGendre definitely offered the carbine conversions. He was also playing with .338 Win Mag conversions of the M1 Garand, and his .45 Professional wildcat conversion for the AR-15 was the basis for the .450 Bushmaster.
I'm not familiar with LaFrance offering conversions of the M1 Carbine, but he was certainly capable of it given his nifty M14K and M16K, as well as his subcompact conversions of older Star pistols.
Huh, I remember (maybe) reading about the .50AE carbines as an aside in an article on the M14K in either SWAT or SOF Fighting Firearms twenty something years ago. My go to gun at the time was a Mossberg 44US(b) with no magazine, rocking it NRA small bore sub-junior style and reading entirely the wrong sort of periodicals.
"Gun hipster". I'm stealing that.
@Revolver Rob: I seem to recall Mel
Tappan writing about a Carbine he had converted to .357 Magnum.
Daniel: I guess I remembered differently than you did.
I was pretty sure it was offered briefly by LaFrance.
This was all at the dawn of the internets, so informations is kinda spotty, and buried in spammy crap.
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