Sunday, September 20, 2009

A promising career nipped in the bud...

At 15 years of age, young Nameless P. Erpetrator had already showed enough ambition to lurk in other people's bushes with a shotgun at midnight. Certainly he would have gone far with his career, but it was tragically cut short by an armed homeowner.
No charges have been filed against Stevens, Dooley said. She said she didn’t know whether he holds a carry permit.
Someone please explain to the News Sentinel reporter that Mr. Stevens' possession (or lack thereof) of a carry permit is immaterial, as he was on his own property, and no special permit is required to air out bad guys in or about one's domicile, nor is there a season or limit.

27 comments:

Jake (formerly Riposte3) said...

And here's a chilling thought - he wasn't alone:

"Three other teenagers lurking outside the home ran, KCSO spokeswoman Ashley Haynes said."

What were four teenage males planning to do to a young couple at gunpoint? Would they have stopped at robbery, or would they have 'entertained' themselves with the man's wife before killing them both?

Even without being shot at right away, that makes it seem like a pretty clear case of self-defense.

Ed Rasimus said...

Mr. Stevens needs to get himself a bigger gun. If he puts two in the chest of the perp who then runs, he is not adequately equipped.

Mr. Erpetrator needs to learn that you practice if you go out with a gun. Shot twice with a shotgun and missed!

Tam said...

"Mr. Stevens needs to get himself a bigger gun. If he puts two in the chest of the perp who then runs, he is not adequately equipped."

He only ran as far as the street.

The only man-portable weapon that will reliably drop a man with a single hit to the chest is a 57mm recoilless rifle, and they're awfully hard to find IWB holsters for.

Jake (formerly Riposte3) said...

"Mr. Stevens needs to get himself a bigger gun. If he puts two in the chest of the perp who then runs, he is not adequately equipped."

As Yoda said, "size matters not." Shot placement is critical. Even the woefully underpowered .25ACP will kill a man with one shot if it hits the right spot.

On the other hand, even a .45 to center mass might not kill a man - ribs, zippers, items in pockets, etc., can alter the path of even a perfectly placed shot.

On the gripping hand, even a critical hit - like a severed aorta, or blowing his heart out the back of his chest - might not drop a criminal immediately. The human body can do surprising things, and adding drugs to the mix can make it even more likely that a critter will keep moving even after he's dead.

LawDog said...

On the gripping hand, even a critical hit ...

Niven and Pournelle quote for the win!

Will said...

There was the LAPD? officer that was shot in the heart with a .357, who then proceeded to CHASE the perp around her suv to get a clear killing shot. Her roommate called for an ambulance, and after recovery she is back in uniform! Her mistake? She ordered the gun toting car-jacker to drop his weapon, instead of immediately blowing him away.

Kristopher said...

The only man-portable weapon that will reliably drop a man with a single hit to the chest is a 57mm recoilless rifle, and they're awfully hard to find IWB holsters for.

But you can get inside the pickup truck holsters for them ...

Matt G said...

"Niven and Pournelle quote for the win!"
Beat me to it, LD. ;)

Folks, the good guy in this case did a SUPERB job. He returned fire against a shotgun-weilding bad guy, and scored two chest hits with a pistol.

That's nothing short of amazing. 2/2 is 100%, on a moving target (trust me-- you or the target or both are moving. It's not like shooting at the range), with a sidearm; not a long gun. Pistols are poor stoppers. They just have the benefit of being handy.

The good guy quite correctly shot for center of the largest mass (the chest), and scored hits until the threat had ceased. That's a win by any definition. The goal is not execute the kid.

This kid only made it to the street. I've double-lunged deer with a magnum centerfire rifle and had them run further.

I would love to see a diagram of the scene.

To detractors I would say that this shoot was so good, it's almost too good to be true.

Crucis said...

Shot placement is right. Two slugs to the chest and he's still alive (at least he made it to the hospital.)

Mikael said...

Re: Tam "The only man-portable weapon that will reliably drop a man with a single hit to the chest is a 57mm recoilless rifle"

Oh I dunno, a 10 gauge with double aught buck should do it. Besides man-portable includes RPGs. ;)

reflectoscope said...

This might just be enough to put the other three on a more upstanding path through life. Or it might not, and perhaps the four of them can get adjoining hospital beds. Or plots.

Jim

WayneChung said...

Will the 57mm actually drop someone where they stand or will it impact them and drop them somewhere else?

Anonymous said...

Wayne, think flechettes, not HE. :)

Lorimor said...

Good shoot. Good guy survived.

Jeff the Baptist said...

"Will the 57mm actually drop someone where they stand or will it impact them and drop them somewhere else?"

Well if depending on the RR round, it might drop parts of them all over.

Avenger29 said...

Media obsessed with CCW Permit- what the media is trying to do(when they can't outright lie and distort) is to connect gun ownership with a "permit" of some type, even though it's not actually relevant to the situation. So somebody half-listening to the news or half-reading hears/sees "gun owner" and "permit" and automatically thinks that owning a gun requires a permit, thus making them less likely to go out and buy a gun if the notion strikes, if they believe there is a a background check or whatever involved.

Avenger29 said...

added to the above, a background check or permit beyond the instant NICS check...i.e., believing you have to get permission from and registering your gun with the local po-po.

Stan in Minnesota said...

Working in the industry here in Minnesota people are always asking me one of several questions.

I have a gun my (relative in question)gave me, how do I get it registered.......You don't, Minnesota does not register guns.

And.


How do you make and AK/AR full auto, I hear that it is easy.........Full auto requires a machine shop and special parts. The AK can be made to run amok pretty easy but do you REALLY want a new roommate names Bubba?

Mikael said...

Re: Stan "The AK can be made to run amok pretty easy"

I've heard otherwise.

Though from what I've heard, it's easier doing it with a pistol than a rifle. As in, some people have done it by mistake when shorting certain internal parts(been years since I heard about it, not sure if it was a spring and/or firing pin). Needless to say, this is pretty useless, apart from being illegal.

There's a pretty good video that clears up misconceptions about firearms on youtube with some californian police chief IIRC. Over a decade as chief and thousands of confiscated guns and not a one that had been converted, and only enough full autos(non converted) that you could count them on one hand.

Anonymous said...

Welcome to Tennessee, patron state of shooting stuff.

Shootin' Buddy

Roberta X said...

As long as the right stuff gets shot, made of win!

reflectoscope said...

SB- The movie was alright, but as usual the book was better.

Jim

staghounds said...

"know" was a typo.

It was supposed to be

"give a rat's scabby a$$"

And on the subject of their intentions, if you've been reading the Knoxville newspapers, Jake, you'd know that the criminals there don't discriminate by sex when it comes to entertaining themselves.

Kristopher said...

Stan, having done a legal form 1 conversion myself on an AK clone ... it ain't that hard, unless you are converting an IMI Galil.

The IMI bastards buried a chunk of toolsteel in the aluminum receiver just to screw with such efforts.

That f*cker destroyed two carbide cutting tools.

For a sheetmetal receiver ... piece of cake. Show me a Manufacturer's SOT stamped license, or a completed Form 1 and get back to me.

Anonymous said...

Those knowledgeable about the state's handgun permit laws already knew that the 20 year old Stevens did not have a Tennessee handgun carry permit. Had Ms. Dooley been more familiar with permits, she would have also known that the minimum age is 21.

Will said...

Shot placement is key, no matter what you hit 'em with. There was the NVA sapper that lost his whole right arm to a .50 BMG, and still managed to make it into the wire. Hours later, he was still alive, but unable to access the detonator with only his left hand.

markm said...

Will: So the .50 hit saved his life?