Friday, January 09, 2009

Are people getting weaker?

When I looked at this picture, I thought surely it must be at least a 10 gauge. I mean, with that big, honking brake on the end and everything...

Nope, just a 12 gauge. And not even built on the 3.5" 835 receiver; it's just a regular 3" Mossenberger 500 with a weird looking wart of dubious effectiveness affixed to the end of the barrel to make it extra awkward.

I guess the kind of people who like PGO shotguns will buy it.

29 comments:

Rustmeister said...

Aw, c'mon Tam! It's black and scary looking. What's wrong with that? =)

Anonymous said...

About 25 years back Ithaca made what they thought was a police version of their 10 gauge semiauto called "The Roadblocker" - 20" cylinder bore barrel, parkerized, imitation walnut stock (made from old shipping pallets, I think...), etc. I had the opportunity to buy one incredibly cheaply, so I did, along with some 3 1/2" ammo. I figured at that price I could shoot it a while and break even on selling it (I did).

Kinda fun, in a painful sort of way. It could have used a similar muzzle brake.

Tam said...

I remember 'em; that's why I was thinking that Mossenberger had revived the name for a new 10 gauge.

Imagine my chagrin... :(

Mark said...

Needs a bayonet lug. And a bipod. And an M4-style collapsable stock.

Deffo.

Tam said...

Well, it does need a stock; maybe they'd take that froofy thing on the muzzle in trade... ;)

Mark said...

But if they took the thing off the front, then you wouldn't need the telescopic sight or the laser either!

Mark@Sea said...

I remain quite happy with the '97 clone you set aside for me in your previous life... With the addition of an original bayonet, that is as tactical as I get.
Thanks again.
Although I did just acquire a late-forties A5 that is 'as-new'. How someone could leave that thing in the safe the last fifty-odd years is beyond me.

Wolfwood said...

Needs a bipod and overfolder stock, says I.

Anonymous said...

Wolfwood said:
"Needs a bipod and overfolder stock, says I."

Don't forget the ...shoulder thing that goes up...

jb

DirtCrashr said...

I make a living with my hands (*when I have a job) and wrist movement is vital - that thing isn't coming anywhere near me.

pdb said...

Damnit Mossyboig! If people are upset by the recoil of a 12 gauge, they don't need a 50BMG muzzle break or a Dr Scholl's gel buttplate, they need a shorter stock! Shotgun stocks are almost uniformly too long for ordinary sized folk, and the thick wads of rubber the manufacturers insist on screwing to the ends don't help neither.

I've shot 400 full power 12ga rounds in a day, without discomfort, despite the gun wearing a solid plastic buttplate, because the stock fit me. (A recoil absorbing gas operated action doesn't hurt, either).

It also helps to be slightly out of shape. Really ripped guys don't have the convenient corner pocket that us slobs do.

If your scattergun hurts to shoot, buy a Bantam/Youth buttstock or have your friendly local gunsmythe chop the stock down some.

I've also seen internet experts recommend mounting the stock as close to the sternum centerline as possible, so you can shoot squared up like its a giant MP5. This is colossally, offensively stupid and the perpetrators of this nonsense should be spanked like naughty puppies.

Tam said...

^Word.^

TJP said...

What's the typical propellant charge weight behind a 12 gauge 3" slug, 45-50 grains? Let's say 1,550 feet-per. Let's compare with a 50 BMG: about 220 grains and muzzle velocity of 2,800 feet-per.

The former charge produces 267 ft-lbs. muzzle energy, the latter 3,800. I don't think diverting 267 ft-lbs. is going to do much to control 2,800 ft-lbs. generated by a 525-grain slug. At least, I can't justify the additional cost. I think it would be cheaper to duct-tape a .38 to the side of the muzzle, pointing 90 degrees upward from the bore axis.

Tam said...

Let's just say that there's probably not enough gas to drive the brake right.

The weight probably helps more than the baffles.

Jay said...

But it's so COOL!!!! All shiny and tactical.

Wolfwood said...

What would actually be cool are little pyrotechnic dispensers hidden within false baffles. Every time you fire, it triggers a Hollywood-explosion out the sides with sparks and everything. Maybe adding a plug so the sound of the blast can be fed through a directional amplifier, too.

WV: "nambioru" - The ancient Japanese art of shooting oneself in the leg by tripping the sear on a pistol as it is holstered.

Jay said...

Amp plug.... That's what I'm talking about! Maybe it could play "Ride of the Valkyries" on a loop as well. You could use a trigger like they have for front end lasers.

Noah D said...

"Shotgun stocks are almost uniformly too long for ordinary sized folk, and the thick wads of rubber the manufacturers insist on screwing to the ends don't help neither."

Hear, hear!

Still looking for a wood bantam/youth stock for my 500.

(Though the link at the bottom of the page to where Mossberg will be selling 590As in 2009 is neat. Wouldn't mind one of those. Just...with a shorter stock.)

Also, someone wiser than me on the subject.

Steve said...

Tam, you read my blog! Awesome :)

Thanks for the link.

Nathan Brindle said...

"(Though the link at the bottom of the page to where Mossberg will be selling 590As in 2009 is neat. Wouldn't mind one of those. Just...with a shorter stock.)"

Ooh. *drool* Yummy.

WV: diductus. That's either a professor duck, or your tax-return dependents. Take your pick.

TJP said...

I want a 590E with that brake. Then I can rig up that 410er with a Wolfwood(tm) system--fed by a belt-mounted plumber's torch and some tactical black piping.


WV = "colonabl": yes it is, if that's a question.

reflectoscope said...

Lemme see... how about three feet of Picatinny rail on top, for an Elcan and a low-light device? Maybe some chrome plate and a hood ornament too.

Jim

Anonymous said...

A world of new wimps, apparently. The shotgun and stock fit advice is obviously waaay too technical to be cool for 'profilin' one's own...ummm...well. Lets let such stupidity go to those for whom they are best suited.

"Ye shall know them by tha armes thay bear" Just don't laugh too hard when the boys muster in.

J th R

Ed Foster said...

Not that I want to tick Steve off, but I was underwhelmed by a thread I followed on his blog concerning terminal ballistics in military cartridges. Confused, thirty years out of date at best, and misinformed at worst might about cover it.
That being said, I wonder if I could scrounge a few of those thingies from Steve Wright down at Mossberg, just to see how they might function on my .50 BMG's. Might be a bunch cheaper than making my own.

Geoffrey said...

Oh come now, how's it supposed to serve as a phallic compensation device if you take the knob off the end? It's not like it isn't pump action anyway.

I still can't stop laughing.

Ben said...

Wow, that's great. As if Mossberg's similar "Rolling Thunder" wasn't tacticool enough. We have a 500 PGO "Rolling Thunder" up on the wall at work. Lots of the brave guys formerly from SEAL Team 23 1/2 like to drool over it.

I should also point out we have come up with a new phrase for those guys when they are beyond merely tactical. The become testicle.

Also, when are they coming out with the Mossberg "Linebacker 2" complete with scale model F105 shaped muzzle brake?

loki said...

GK would probably like one for his tactical wheelbarrow.

Billy Beck said...

"It's really futuristic. I dig the fins."

(FZ & Mothers -- "What Kind Of Girl Do You Think We Are?")

"What would actually be cool are little pyrotechnic dispensers hidden within false baffles. Every time you fire, it triggers a Hollywood-explosion out the sides with sparks and everything."

Well, that would only work if it could toss a bad-guy fifteen feet with one shot.

B Smith said...

Best comment goes to Geoffrey!!