Saturday, May 22, 2010

Somehow, I thought you'd be taller...

I don't know how I missed this post at Way of the Multigun, where they had a grand ol' time dissecting a video by a "combat shooting instructor". Longtime posters at TFL or THR will recognize this guy's name.

Frankly, I’m embarrassed for the poor guy. For years, he’s touted his point-shooting technique as the bee’s knees in defensive shooting, much to the incredulity of those who’ve spent time training with various military organizations and legitimate defensive trainers like Pat Rogers, Louis Awerbuck or Rob Pincus. And now that we have video of his shooting, the only thing I can say is that Matthew Temkin is abysmally bad with a handgun.
If you're going to boast of your mad 1337 ninja skillz on the internets, you shouldn't put videos out there that make people wonder to which end of your clothing the microphone was clipped.

Spend your gun school dollars wisely.

46 comments:

Anonymous said...

This charge of the 300 thing is getting way out of hand. I don't know what is worse the "let's shoot our junk off" trend or this.

Maybe the market will address this? However, I cannot help but think some kind of accrediation is likely in the future.

Shootin' Buddy

Sarah said...

Err...I'm far from being an expert, granted, but I don't really understand why I would want to advance on an attacker, or multiple attackers, when I have a working handgun.

Anonymous said...

Is that guy related to Barney Frank?


hootie11bravo

A Horse Thief said...

Use your handgun to get into knife range. Do I have it about right?

Les Jones said...

I think you've got it exactly right. And since he isn't doing anything with his off hand he could even hold a knife. He's probably developed an entire system for "point stabbing."

Les Jones said...

P.S. Does Temkin realize that by the time he's finished "shooting his opponent to the ground" that he himself will be covered in the guy's blood?

P.P.S. He'd better hope like hell that his opponent isn't wearing a ballistics vest, or the guy will slaughter him when he closes in.

Lewis said...

The stupid, it hurts.

Rabbit said...

Points-

Advancing on his opponent and delivering what, for all appearances, is a coup de grace to the forehead isn't going to go well when Pookie's witnesses talk to the grand jury. If Pookie doesn't turn his Glock into a suppository first...

Ever hear of backsplatter? Digging splinters out of your knuckles isn't fun. Less fun when it's your face. Get some distance on those target frames, Jack Ruby.

Les, I agree. Shooting someone at that distance is going to be messy, which could raise all manner of accusations when the po-po show up. Ambush? Pookie's friends will certainly make it sound so.

BTW, gore and such can jam a handgun as quickly as a stovepipe.

Is Temkin responsible for the proliferation in pistol bayonet marketing?

I'm just nitpicking now. I'm going away now before my head goes splodey.

Mossyrock said...

Contrast Mr. Tempkin with Roger Phillipps.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhVgERNjBXI&feature=related

Ed Rasimus said...

I particularly like his revolver technique of a punch to the stomach before shooting.

Owen said...

Ed,

That's just to make sure the barrel-cylinder gp is big enough to let the gore in.

The Jack said...

"Use your handgun to get into knife range. Do I have it about right?"

Close Horse Theif, what you really need to do is get into knife range in black and white slow motion while dramatic echos play.

Having the ability to fight outside of grapple range is one of the main advantages of a firearm.

Though seeing him using a revoler as a punch dagger shows he's willing to neglect all the other main advantages too.

Rube.

BobG said...

At first I thought this was a parody; I can't believe this guy is looked at as a so-called "expert".

Atom Smasher said...

"No, Mister D.A., I didn't want to kill him. I didn't want to kill anybody."

"Um, you charged forward, firing multiple rounds at his chest and head, and then pointed your gun at his head while he was falling and put a round into his forehead."

"Well sure, but I didn't want to kill anybody. I feared for my life & stuff."

"I think this one's moving forward. See you in court."

Chance said...

Wow. I wonder if the crickets got credit for working on the video. That's just bad filming.

Heath said...

Awful.

And who (mall security aside), thinks that this yutz is professional, what with the blazing away at 3 feet approach?

WV: splopyr- What this guy will be covered in, should get into an actual gunfight..

TJP said...

"...the only thing I can say is that Matthew Temkin is abysmally bad with a handgun."

Who can tell? All I see is a guy with an unstable, narrow stance, offering up a free gun at grabbing-range to a stationary mannequin.

Is this video supposed to represent the scope of his skill? I have a hard time believing that. I have nothing to boast, but untrained teenagers usually mimic this Hollywood-type rubbish within minutes of picking up a handgun.

James family outpost, Iowa. said...

Quote: "Is Temkin responsible for the proliferation in pistol bayonet marketing?"
Oh my god, that's hilarious!
Quote: "I particularly like his revolver technique of a punch to the stomach before shooting."
Oh, baby, Ed you just killed him right there... LOL? Absolutely.

JD said...

Glad I am not the only non-expert to say WTF? why would you walk towards the attacker?? isn't the idea to get away alive??? seems to go against that thought to walk into the attackers front pocket. Maybe he wants to show us how he does gun retension too after the bad guy grabs him. . . .

Matt said...

Seriously ? He moves TOWARD the bad guys ?? If its bad enough that I've got to pull a handgun the LAST thing I'm gonna do is get closer. I'm definitely not an expert but sweet merciful crap, that's just common sense.

And once again, not an expert, but is it really that hard to miss from 3 freaking feet away ? He made it sound like it was oh so great that he hit at that distance. I'm not great with a handgun but I'd be damned embarassed if I missed at that range.

I'm sure his next video will trumpet the advantages of the sideways street-thug grip used so often in 7-11 holdups and now harnessed so that you can more easily count your expended rounds as they eject in front of your face :)

staghounds said...

"Get some distance on those target frames, Jack Ruby."

Send new keyboard and monitor to:

MOBro said...

Ahh, it seems as though our dear friend, common sense, is becoming harder and harder to find. 'Tis a pity!

Anonymous said...

Never really got in to the martial art of Ichot Yu Yu Chut Mi.

Gerry

Joel said...

Wow. Okay, watched the video.

Until now I didn't think I was much of a pistol shot. Turns out I could be a Paladin video instructor. I ain't great, but I'm better than that.

RevolverRob said...

The way he kept sticking that red gun in the camera (and thus my face), makes me want to take his gun on his (advance to gun grabbing range) draw stoke and beat him mercilessly with it.

-Rob

Michael in CT said...

Umm......wow. I stopped a minute in when I realized that I couldn't afford to lose any more brain cells watching all 5:09 minutes of it. Perhaps the most unfortunate part is that there are people out there that will see and buy that video and think it constitutes responsible training, despite the fact that no law enforcement agency of any significance teaches point shooting. I can't decide which is worse: that he believes in what he is teaching or that he is so lacking in morals to teach something that he knows will get people killed or arrested just for the sake of the mediocre money he might make off the video proceeds.

Cowboy Blob said...

1. He's walking in the wrong direction.
2. He's walking.
3. I've been told I shoot like old people making love: slow and sloppy. This guy makes me look like Robb freakin' Leatham.

rickn8or said...

Like Michael in CT, I only made it to the 3:00 mark; did it get better or worse past that point?

Glad I'm not the only member of the "shoot while running away" school of gunfighting...

Anonymous said...

Matt also trained under Col. Rex Applegate

Tam said...

"Matt also trained under Col. Rex Applegate"

And...?

That leaves two options:

1) None of it stuck, or
2) Col. Applegate's training wasn't all that.

I'll prefer to believe the former.

Matt G said...

I've read a major cop publication that old PlusPInc has put a large last-page article in. I was so surprised, I scanned it and posted it in the Staff Lounge at The High Road.

Honestly? His shooting's not bad. He uses body indexing. He's NOT, as many here are saying, slow. But his tactics and techniques suck rocks right off the ground, and that's even if we ignore that he bowls every draw like he's going for a 7-10 split.

og said...

Is this the video version of the onion? Please tell me this is a joke.

Glenn B said...

That was loads of fun to watch. Hopefully bad guys are watching it too and taking it seriously and that is what they will try when shooting at a good guy's body armor all the while allowing the good guy to take away their guns.

Kristopher said...

Well ... Jack Ruby didn't miss.

And if I want a 100% chance to hit the side of a barn with my AK, I will go in to the barn and shoot.

Tam said...

"Well ... Jack Ruby didn't miss."

A jury would love that. ;)

(Also, Oswald was unarmed and handcuffed and presented about as much of a threat as a B-27.)

Pop N Fresh said...

is he reholstering or trying to stick the gun in his front pocket??

ExurbanKevin said...

This is what happens when someone takes a proven, good idea (shooting to stop the threat) and then takes it to the point where it's an overwhelming liability and not an asset.

bdickens said...

I've tangled with that guy on THR more than once, repeatedly asking him what he has against using sights.

DirtCrashr said...

I'm laughing so hard blinded with tears, the Jack Ruby bayonet pistol thing had me doubled-over - makes me glad to be a rifle-guy, not a pistolero - from this I intend to become an artillery guy.

Boat Guy said...

Couldn't go past about 90 seconds either.
If you want good video training here are two words;
Clint. Smith.

Boat Guy said...

Those same two words are even more applicable to live training as well...
We'll make it four words; Clint.Smith.
Thunder.Ranch.

Michael said...

WARNING!
This man is a Zombie collaborator!

He wants to spread misinformation so that when the zombie apocalypse occurs, people will get close enough to be bitten.

You have been warned!

*snerk*

Geodkyt said...

Oh. My. God.

Why would you be charging into an enemy, UNLESS you were conducting an assault ("assault" as in, "wearing camoflage, body armor, and carrying somethingshoulder fired with a Happy Switch, along with 20 or 30 of my closest friends")?

How about moving offline of the target by going sideways? That gives the enemy a crappy shooting problem than even going backwards would.

Boat Guy --

One day I will get to Thunder Ranch. Clint Smith caught my eye with his "And guess what? No one cares" ads. (For people who don;t recognize it, the ads ran something like this":"It's 3am, raining, and you're in the open with an empty gun and one of the bad guys is still there. Guess what? Nobody cares. . . Move to cover, reload the gun, and finish the fight."

Boat Guy said...

Perhaps the best endorsement I can give Clint and TR is that I sent my younger son there before he made his first deployment and I had Clint and Heidi (et al), train my Bride

Jennifer said...

And Michael with the Zombie comment for the win!

Dave Sohm said...

If moving straight into the guy is so great, and this is all about fighting, why does back off after moving in? If you were committed to moving in and ending the fight then you should practice physically knocking the target on the ground if shooting at that close of range doesn't stop him.

Also, Applegate and his friends, from what I understand were developing techniques for the ARMY, not guys who carry a gun for self defense.

I think "point shooting" training should be 'if you are within 6 feet of your attacker, shoot a few rounds as fast as you can while moving away. This will slow them down and give you a second to aim and shoot more precisely if they are still a threat.'