Friday, January 21, 2011

I was afraid of that.

Caleb brought up the KSG trigger reset issue to the guys at the Kel Tec booth and was allegedly told that it wasn't a bug, it was a feature! Others claim they were told the same thing when they asked about it.

It has been my experience over the years that there may not be another company in this business that can match their unique combination of brilliant ideas and flawed execution...

19 comments:

Netpackrat said...

Well, maybe it'll be fixed in the Ruger version.

BryanP said...

In the comments there's at least one person who claims a KelTec rep has said otherwise and that it will be fixed.

New Jovian Thunderbolt said...

oh dear

Mad Saint Jack said...

I'm waiting for the cries about a double magazine loophole.

Netpackrat- Win!

Exodus said...

If it gets produced and enough people make fun of it, maybe Smith and Wesson will copy it and fix the trigger. ;)

Standard Mischief said...

hmmm, I've always called that LEO-vaporware slam-firing action as "tromboning a shotgun". I can't remember which classic pump shotgun let you do that, but it's not a recommended practice.

A quick search of the tubes of web shows that's not a common use of the word, well at least among the gun enthusiasts.

Does anyone else use that lingo besides my meat-space friends and I?

Mulliga said...

Winchester Model 1897. And the slam fire action is very similar to a trombone, now that you mention it.

Netpackrat said...

In one of Capstick's books, he talked about using a Model 12 with that feature. He was quite fond of it for hunting down wounded leopards.

Tam said...

Standard Mischief,

Older Ithaca 37's and Winnie Model 12's will do it also. I can't think of any situation where it would be useful, and many where it would be downright dangerous...

I've heard the term "tromboning", but not in a while...

Standard Mischief said...

Actually, I don't think any of us have used "tromboning" as a slang term since the web was commonly available. So it's perhaps an interesting study of "language as a virus".

I've seen some references to a pump-action being called a "trombone-action" on the 'net. It looks like this term faded out pre-web, but enough people remember it and made enough notes that a search turns them up.

"Tromboning" one of those classic shotguns is always dangerous, as I understand that you risk touching off a shell out of battery, but kids will be kids, especially if they don't know what "out of battery" means.

The secondhand story I got was that it did fire with the action partly open,(slightly short of closed?), but no one was hurt and the gun was OK. No one ever tried it again.

Old NFO said...

And people wonder why I wouldn't take a Keltec if you gave me one...

Anonymous said...

I've got an Ithaca 37 that allows "tromboning," and I can assure you, it's not as useful as it sounds like it would be.

Anonymous said...

Herb Parsons was qouted in Bob Bristers shotgun book as "holding the trigger back and pumping like hell"when he would shoot 7 clay pigeons that he threw with his left hand.He used a Model 12.My 1942 Ithaca 20 gauge has no disconnect but I ain't Herb Parsons so I let the trigger reset twixt shots.I have shot the gun by holding the trigger back and it is fun but my accuracy suffers.The gun will not fire out of battery when using that method.


hootie11bravo

DirtCrashr said...

The web usage I've heard for "tromboning" is not for polite company or guns.

D.W. Drang said...

I believe that bootlegging tailgunners during Prohibition were referred to as playing "tailgate trombone."

And it could sure come in handy if you're part of Steve Canally's Marine landing party, helping Candy Bergen rescue Sean Connery from the treacherous vizier and kraut mercenaries...

Standard Mischief said...

For google's sake, I did dig up one web reference from 2003 a bit ago.

(I don't recommend birdshot for home defense.)

Buffboy said...

I'm not sure of the others but the 97 will indeed fire out of battery doing the slamfire trick. I've put them (some became parts guns) back together after their owners tried it. You do it right, it will work, do it wrong and enjoy the hot gas(+fragments) facial.

As for law enforcement wanting a slam fire version of the KSG, I doubt that very much. Any LE shotgun trainer I've ever met would start twitching at the very thought.

Anonymous said...

The Stevens 520 will do it.

D.W. Drang said...

KelTec employee "KTWM", posting on the KelTec Owner's Group, stated that the trigger reset fail is an error which will be fixed before release.