Oh, gawd, a Korth 1911! Sure, they've wedged a roller-
I'll bet I know some ausländerpistole fanbois that are making "LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!" videos right now. I'm going to the kitchen to pop a bowl of schadenfreude and wander around the gun dork fora to wash it down with their tears.
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Interesting. I wondered when somebody was gonna do that, and had figure HK would somehow integrate roller locking into a 1911 clone. IIRC, Korth revolvers were over-engineered, too.
That's a lot of work to make a... fixed barrel 1911.
Well I guess they needed that fixed barrel so they could bolt on all their accessories... never-mind that it's got rails.
In seriousness that they went with roller-lock is... interesting?
And it's kinda neat they went with a suppressor that wasn't circular in cross section.
I'm surprised they kept the grip safety. Maybe the Imperial German cavalry required that "feature"....
Who knows. Easier to outsource small parts that way?
it must be tough to be a gun hipster.
Interesting. I bet it's price tag makes the $969 for the Kimber Stainless Target II that I lusted after at a gun counter today seem like a bargain.
Korth: Finest obsolete weapons in the world.
Well. That's a thing,
Wow. I cannot recall ever hearing of this brand before (and when I was a kid I was a faithful reader of Guns&Ammo).
So I google `em up, and find their website which describes people who buy their guns thusly:
'For them, the fascination lies in another, intangible quality: That of possessing a weapon with a true "personality".'
I am enlightened! Korth owners are like owners of Lotuses, MGs, and other British sports cars! People who like things that look neat but rarely actually work right.
And let me just say they have a beautiful 2002 era website!
G98,
"Interesting. I wondered when somebody was gonna do that, and had figure HK would somehow integrate roller locking into a 1911 clone."
I am reminded of the gas-delayed blowback top end for the 1911 that was going to be the Very Next Big Thing back around the turn of the millennium. I wonder what happened to those guys? (But not enough to be arsed to google it, mind you. ;) )
Does anyone have any insight as to why they'd do this?
How would this theoretically improve the design of the weapon?
Not 1911 fanboi so I know very little about them.
Still ... the idea that they started with a clean sheet of paper and drew ...
A 1911 receiver with a rail dust cover.
Uh, that's not exactly innovation.
I spend a lot of time in Asia, so am used to reading things in Singlish and Konglish and Engrish. Thus I am gratified to see this on Korth's site:
"The name Korth stands for unique gunsmithing. The revolvers, which we manufacture don´t just shoot extreme precisely."
Only the Germans could take JMB's genius and add Teutonic complexity.
And yet they can't be bothered to pay a native English speaker $500 to check the advert copy.
How many pistols are there that are roller-locked, anyway? I know H&K makes roller-delayed ones, but apart from the Czech VZ-52 (pistol), what else is out there?
CZ-52 is the only one that springs immediately to mind (which isn't to say that the South Lithuanian Naval Infantry weren't issued one from 1913 to 1914.)
I didn't watch more than the first thirty seconds of this to see: It this roller locked short recoil or roller delayed blowback?
Tam, I watched a couple of times and I can't tell.
Maybe its me.
Barrel is fixed, so that'd technically be roller-delayed blowback, I guess.
I'm still planning on machining up a CZ-52 in 10mm someday.
Because I'm a goddamn freak, that's why. :P
I'm glad. It's nice telling people that the pistol they're holding is the only one ever made with that action. Makes me feel like a real curio collector instead of just another guy with a 03 FFL buying the cheap stuff.
To answer Goober. some people believe that a fixed barrel is more accurate than tilting etc barrel systems. This isn't true, what increases accuracy are barrel mounted sighting systems, whether iron sights or optical. It's the clearances between the slide, frame and barrel in tilt barrel systems that let the sights "wiggle" and turn a perfectly aimed shot into a 9 instead of a bullseye. Korth has fixed the barrel, but still has the sights mounted on the slide with the necessary clearances between slide and frame still allowing the sights to "wiggle".
I wonder if "Best Built" will start offering this in their catalog?
Bet it costs more than a new car too!
God bless 'em, but I don't want one.
Also just like the CZ-52 and the H&K P9s they went and put the recoil spring around the barrel, but couldn't be bother to take advantage of that and lower the bore axis.
Well the '52 has a very low bore axis, but the grip on that beast doesn't let you take advantage of it...
That's not the controlling variable, here, Weer'd.
(Also, you're using "low bore axis" wrong. You can't have a "low bore axis" that's really high above your hand because of the grip.)
Well, I don't know if they can build a gun, but they sure can cgi some video. I shudder to think what carbon will do to all those pretty small moving parts.
Who the hell is Korth anyway?
I wonder if there's an "All firearms are 1911's" event horizon, and where/when it is?
og, at the end of the Fast Food Wars.
Interesting. Thank you.
I haven't really picked up on a lot of complaining that the 1911 was inherently innaccurate beyond an article I once read about the early adoption of them into the US military back in the olden days. Soldiers were complaining that they couldn't hit sheit with them so the army brought in some expert marksmen to drive some tacks and prove the concerns unfounded.
As for a tilting barrel I've always been told that by the time the barrel starts to tilt the bullet is downrange already.
So it seems this is an attempt to fix a problem that wasn't there. Thanks for the info.
Ah. And the magazines will only hold three shells.
Rob K:
I am enlightened! Korth owners are like owners of Lotuses, MGs, and other British sports cars! People who like things that look neat but rarely actually work right.
Q. Why do the English drink warm beer?
A. Lucas makes refrigerators.
--Dave ('54 TF, '61 A, '72 B)
Who wants a handgun that shoots in slow motion? Kinda defeats the purpose, if you ask me.
Fixed barrel would be nice for use with a supressor. No push-me/pull-you spring 'balancing' act required to compensate for the change in weight on the barrel. As I recall, one of the problems with suppressing a 1911 was that it was a balancing act to hae the gun cycle reliably when the weight of the suppressor changed the normal barrel weight and movement metrics.
That video was like watching pornography, it was so lovingly, obsessively wholesome.
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