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I have, even with birdshot it feels like getting kicked in the face. Buck and slugs are... entertaining but still mostly manageable.
Come visit us in balmy Tampa and you can be underwhelmed by Marv's!
Wait... you're saying that I've shot a gun that Tam hasn't?I'M SPECIAL! :D
My only concern is that it's Kel-Tec. No other manufacturer has managed to fumble so many good ideas.If they produce a George Zimmerman Special Edition, however...
Look! Hen's teeth!I think Kelgren should look into licensing his long gun designs out for manufacture. Maybe some of the myriad places that do Ar15s would be interested in something with less competition; it's not like every RFB, KSG, Sub2K, etc. that is made doesn't sell.
I think that Kel-Tec is geared toward producing just enough guns for Oleg to photograph, and no more.
It's brutal on the wrist -- unless you are shooting 1/4 shell's ....3" shells will make you cry --
Lots of plastic-lots of gimmick-lots and lots and lots of recoil and nowhere near as reliable as my 870 . BUT BOY HOWDY is it ever tacticool. Put on some latex pants and a black leather top and you too can look like a video game avatar.---Ray
"nowhere near as reliable as my 870"I'm not a shotgun guy, but how can a pump be unreliable? It's like calling a revolver unreliable...
I fired one at SHOT Show last year. It left me decidedly meh. If they were as common and as cheap as an 870, I'd think about picking one up for the novelty. At 2-3X the price, though? Heck no.
Unreliable...you can pump it a bit briskly (like a fast plate rack attempt by a moderately serious 3Gunner) and override the extractor. That leaves a hull in the chamber, a live round on the carrier, and a pissed off owner looking on. The last part was purely my fault, as I told my customer (who had just spent $2,500 on the darn thing) that I could break it...at will. Not that poor Will had anything to do with it, but I digress. I had done it with two previous shotguns that had come through my shop, so I was fairly certain I could do it again. And I did...I talked to the nice folks at the KelTec "LE" booth at this year's SHOT and their engineering type knew immediately what I was asking about (as a flaw), told me that they knew about it, had a fix, and would eventually implement it...but would retrofit the "fix" if owners sent their guns in. It seems those who run pump guns hard (like, say a 870, 590, or...1897) do not usually run KSG with that degree of...brisk...I warned my own shotgun guru (we call him "Bill" which is strange because that is not his name) at the "KSG pickup" stage at this year's He-Man 3-Gun at Raton NM not to overstroke the darn toy, but he did anyway with predicable results. He did get a reshoot. Alex
A fellow student at the SIG Academy defensive shotgun class last December brought along a KSG. He did not complete a single course of fire without a jam. Ammo (supplied by SIG) was 2 3/4" buck and slug. Start course of fire, jam and disassemble weapon to clear jam. Rinse, lather and repeat. He had the presence of mind to also bring his Benneli M4, so he actually got to complete some of the lesson plan. YMMV, of course, but I'd only use a KSG as a range toy/curio based on my direct observations.
"A fellow student at the SIG Academy defensive shotgun class last December brought along a KSG. He did not complete a single course of fire without a jam."From everything I've seen, I am utterly unsurprised.
Sounds like the Hi-Point of shotguns.
It's actually the Kel-Tec of shotguns. A neat idea, unfinished from the factory, and waiting for Ruger to execute it properly. ;)
Oh yum. Thank you so much.
I shot Rich's. It was cooler than I expected, actually, especially with a green mini laser on board.
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