Wednesday, September 18, 2013

QotD: Nearly Perfect Overlap Edition

"I'd like to see the boolean chart overlap of the people who sling an AR and go get coffee and the people who complain about Gay pride parades "shoving it in our faces"."
Reader Joseph in comments to the Starbucks post.

The more I think on it, the more I think the "AR in Starbucks" is an almost exact analogy to the "bearded guys in wedding dresses kissing on the float in the Pride Parade". There's a weird boundary area around over-the-top speech that is legal, Constitutionally-protected, and probably inappropriate for the venue.


PS: Personally, I think the guys on the float should be carrying ARs. If you're going over the top, you might as well go all the way over.

PPS: Bobbi points out that the hypothetical dudes on the float have better legal standing than the hypothetical guy in Starbucks: They are, after all, not treating someone's private property as though it were the village commons.

27 comments:

ShallNotBeInfringed said...

What is this privet propertye you speak of?

Scott J said...

I thought Joseph's comment was internets prize worthy.

Carlos Milquetoast said...

Two guys on the float treating the village common like their private property ain't chopped liver either.

Tam said...

Carlos Milquetoast,

Unless kissing is illegal for everyone, your butthurt is no different than that of the Mommies Who Don't Want To Be Offended By Icky Guns.

ErnestThing said...

Considering the recent success of the gay rights movement, perhaps it's easier to simply emulate them than argue with results.

Boat Guy said...

Guess I'm out of the mix; though I suspect I'm more likely to sling an AR than complain about parades.

Matt said...

Bisbee, AZ has a gay pride parade every year. It is always entertaining. I think it was orginally started as a way to attract a few more tourist dollars.

I wouldn't carry an AR15 into Starbucks or any other store for that matter. I'd wind up breaking way to many things I'd rather not pay for.

Tam said...

ErnestThing,

"Considering the recent success of the gay rights movement, perhaps it's easier to simply emulate them than argue with results."

I know, right?

ErnestThing said...

That's seriously part of the reason why I open carry.

Though I've yet to run down main street wearing nothing but a G-string and gun belt, yelling "Shall not be infringed! Get used to it!" at Ma and Pa Kettle while thrusting my (gun) bulge at their grandchildren.

Guess I just don't support the cause enough.

Anonymous said...

Considering the recent success of the gay rights movement, perhaps it's easier to simply emulate them than argue with results.

First, we'll need to get the government-media complex on our side.

jf

Patrick said...

An OC "Activist" gave a cop I know a hard time because said cop was called out to politely ask said activist to leave a private place when the activist started recording the reactions of scared hippies confronted with a guy strapping a huge gun on his hip and a large camera on his face. He would approach random people/families minding their business and basically ask, "So whatta ya think about my gun?"

Cop is total pro-gun and pro-carry including OC. But if he had cuffed and stuffed the activist (he did not), I would have backed him to the nines.

My wife asked me if she could open carry while at our place in Florida, because it would make things easier some times - like at the beach playground with kids*. Sadly the answer is not yet. There is a huge difference between her and that that activist above. One is going about her business and minding her own; the other is intentionally trying to invoke a reaction and then getting his jollies from it.

* She doesn't want to carry in a swimsuit. It's just that she goes for long walks with the stroller and the kids and likes to hang out at a playground on the beach. The scarcity of people worries her, especially when I am working and unable to join in.

SJ said...

Did he say "Boolean Chart" when he meant Venn Diagram?

Still, I figure that would be an interesting Venn Diagram.

Anonymous said...

"One is going about her business and minding her own; the other is intentionally trying to invoke a reaction and then getting his jollies from it."

That speaks my distaste for "activists" of all types and stripes. Enjoy your freedoms, but don't infringe on my enjoyment of mine. And don't say you're furthering your cause; whether you're strapped up in public for some S&M or a shootout at the OK Corral, you're doing it for shock and your own gratification and not for any greater good than that.

-chaz-

SgtSound45 said...

I actually make an analogy for it. Kissing in public is the same type of freedom as openly carrying a firearm.

Kiss who you want, carry what you want, nobody should have the right to stop you.

Anonymous said...

What the guys on the float ARE doing, is treating the village commons as if it were their private property.

Tam said...

"What the guys on the float ARE doing, is treating the village commons as if it were their private property."

So you only kiss and hold hands with the person you love in private? Check.

Weer'd Beard said...

" Personally, I think the guys on the float should be carrying ARs. If you're going over the top, you might as well go all the way over."

I'll play trump and play "Full Auto M4s with no paperwork required"

Tam said...

Weer'd,

Gosh, I'm shocked at that. You know how pro-NFA'34 I am. How dare you express that kooky wookie-suited stuff in my comment section.

Scott J said...

"So you only kiss and hold hands with the person you love in private"

I have been known to mumble "get a room" about couples of all orientations :)

Erin Palette said...

For all "treating village commons as private property" folks --

You DO realize, don't you, that in order to have a parade you need to get a permit from the city? So the aforementioned bearded kissing brides have city sanction at that specific point in time and space.

In other words, don't watch the parade, and tomorrow the village commons will be homo-free (so far as you know... much like concealed carriers, it's hard to tell who is and who isn't).

WV: AQueden -- the ultra-elite aquatic branch of Al-Qaeda.

Trent said...

As long as they can force an establishment to serve [insert persecuted minority of the month here] whether they like it or not, they can force them to serve gun carrying dudes too. Private Property, when it comes to a business open to the general public... isn't.

Woodman said...

Trying excessively to make a point often causes the opposite reaction. Something my children learn waaay too slowly.

AndyN said...

No, AR toting guy in Starbucks isn't an almost exact analogy to bearded dudes in wedding dresses kissing on a parade float. It's more of an analogy to gay couples standing around in Chick-fil-a making out and not buying anything. It's a bit amusing that the groups of activists in both cases didn't realize they were going to precipitate a very predictable backlash.

Ed said...

Patrick said "My wife asked me if she could open carry while at our place in Florida, because it would make things easier some times - like at the beach playground with kids*. Sadly the answer is not yet."

Open carry is prohibited in Florida with a few exceptions - camping, trips to the range, hunting, or fishing. Have your wife carry a fishing pole and whistle the theme to "The Andy Griffith Show" while she openly carries.

Patrick said...

@ Ed: Good call. Suggested it to the wife and she asked, "How do you expect me to push a stroller, juggle a 2 and a 5 year old AND carry a fishing pole all at the same time?"

Her next thought was, "You're a registered gun lobbyist, go fix the damn law!"

Ahem. Will get right on that...

Woodman said...

"@ Ed: Good call. Suggested it to the wife and she asked, "How do you expect me to push a stroller, juggle a 2 and a 5 year old AND carry a fishing pole all at the same time?""

Look for my stroller fishing pole mount kickstarter next week. That or a pocket fisherman with a shoulder carry strap.

Geodkyt said...

Woodman --

Dual horizontal shoulder rig -- Glock under weak arm, Ronco Pocket Fisherman under string arm.