Friday, April 01, 2011

QotD: Messed-Up Priorities Edition.

That is the dark side of environmentalism, an ugly violent side that emerges easily. The most active non-Muslim domestic terrorist group is environmental. The undercurrent of violence finds easy purchase in environmentalism's creed that the only real problem with the world is the people. No amount of turning off the lights is enough. Eventually you come around to having to turn off the people.
That's really what it boils down to: an ugly undercurrent of nihilism. There's a sense of, not so much a love for nature, but rather a loathing for humanity.

On a related note, how come I never read about these voluntary human extinction types suck-starting a Mossberg? How come it's always everybody else they want to go extinct?

(H/T to Kevin.)


John said...

"how come I never read about these voluntary human extinction types suck-starting a Mossberg?"

for the same reason that concentration camp cadres feel that they're 'just doing their job'?

Or mebbe nothing more than that feeling of privileged superiority over the masses, that appears to be in the personality make-up the "Auntie"-this or that's, who wish to impose their superior vision upon those whom they categorize as expendable.

Then again,maybe they're just naturally sadistic Fascists

wv; belystir....unnnh,yeah.

Rob said...

Every time I come across one of those types, I ask them the same question (or some variation thereof, depending on circumstances): "So if you hate humanity so much, why don't you off yourself first as an example to the rest of us?"

I've never gotten a decent answer to that.

og said...

"How come it's always everybody else they want to go extinct?"

it's difficult to do that yourself. We should give them a hand.

Tango Juliet said...

All animals were created equal, except that some animals are more equal than others. -- some guy

New Jovian Thunderbolt said...

Been calling the tree-huggers a death cult for 2 decades for this very reason. When you take away their facade they have Kool Aid waiting for everyone.

Robert said...

That's why I've alweays referred to the History Channels program "Life without people" as an "environmentalists wet dream".

Anonymous said...

This reminds me off the horrible movie I saw once, Rampage. The main character builds an armored suit and using tac'ed out full-auto sub guns (that he got in the mail) he went on the rampage that gives the movie its title, killing all he met. The twist at the end was that he robs a bank then burns the money while shouting Commie slogans (after switching the money bag for one with play money) and kills his friend. His friend was a certified member of the treehugging death cult. He puts the incriminating armor on him and faked it as a suicide. So he gets away with the money and the dead guy gets hippy cred for reducing the population. The money quote was something along the lines of "everyone complains about overpopulation but no one is serious about doing anything about it".

staghounds said...

Same reason you don't see war cheerleaders enlisting, economic justice people living on $50,000 a year, or Mullahs strapping on a belt.

Sacrifice is for other people.

Anonymous said...

It's not that they want an earth completely free of humans: it's just that they want only the right sort of humans around. Humans who love nature. Humans who won't pollute and drive SUV's. Humans who lurvs them some Mother Nature.

You know: like them.

John above refers to concentration camp guards. It's an apt comparison, because, when you boil it all down, it's about some self-styled "good people" determined to create some heaven on earth, which requires that they eliminate the "bad people". nazis and Jews, commies and "wreckers", greenies and everybody else.

And the great thing about it? THEY GET TO FEEL FLIPPIN' VIRTUOUS ABOUT IT!

wolfwalker said...

No, it's not an apt comparison. The concentration camps were set up to eliminate specific people, of specific ethnic groups, and the guards knew it. I think a lot of greens don't care which people go away, just as long as some do. It isn't people-as-individuals that they're against, it's the great nebulous mass of 'the surplus population.' If you lined up a hundred people, then took a greenie and said "toward the goal of population control, you are required to personally eliminate ten of these," and then forced them to talk to each person in the lineup, get to know him or her as a person, before making any decisions ...

... I think you'd end up with a hundred people still alive, and one hopelessly insane greenie. And I don't mean casual-conversation "that's nuts" kind of insane, I mean the staring-catatonic or gibbering-lunatic kind of insane.

Joanna said...

Every now and then, somebody will kill themselves to save teh environmentz -- there was a couple in South America a couple years that offed their young kids before offing themselves, and a woman in (IIRC) Britain who had an abortion and got sterilized for the same reason.

It's the celebration of death instead of life -- trying to solve problems by grinding everything to a halt instead of walking forward to find solutions.

theirritablearchitect said...

The newish fad of self-sterilization to ward off the "carbon footprint" thing is particularly bizarre, but then again, if these types aren't procreating, well, you get the picture.

Next best thing to them doing that suck-starting of the Mossberg routine that you mentioned.

Bubblehead Les. said...

Had this argument at the University a couple of years ago with some Greens. Try this when you next get the chance. You'll have Fun. Ask the Treehuggers if they think that to "Heal Mother Earth", the Government should force Abortions on the Masses (such as the Chicoms One Baby Policy), and 99% of the time, you'll hear a resounding "YES". Then ask them if they believe it should be Retroactive, and would THEY volunteer to go First? "What? Are You Crazy?" will be their response. "Why would you say such a thing?", they usually say. Then look them straight in the eye and say "I'm agreeing with YOUR policy, we're just disagreeing on when to implement it".

I just LOVE messing with the 2+2=5 Crowd.

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tanksoldier said...

There are hidden contradictions in the minds of people who "love Nature" while deploring the "artificialities" with which "Man has spoiled 'Nature.'" The obvious contradiction lies in their choice of words, which imply that Man and his artifacts are not part of "Nature" — but beavers and their dams are. But the contradictions go deeper than this prima-facie absurdity. In declaring his love for a beaver dam (erected by beavers for beavers' purposes) and his hatred for dams erected by men (for the purposes of men) the Naturist reveals his hatred for his own race — i.e., his own self-hatred.
In the case of "Naturists" such self-hatred is understandable; they are such a sorry lot. But hatred is too strong an emotion to feel toward them; pity and contempt are the most they rate.
As for me, willy-nilly I am a man, not a beaver, and H. sapiens is the only race I have or can have. Fortunately for me, I like being part of a race made up of men and women — it strikes me as a fine arrangement — and perfectly "natural" Believe it or not, there were "Naturists" who opposed the first flight to old Earth's Moon as being "unnatural" and a "despoiling of Nature." -- RAH

Lergnom said...

I would sit quietly in the dark for an hour just to prove that I had the resources to do so without risk to me or anyone else, meditating on how this was possible thanks to modern technology.
I would not, however, turn off the heat or a/c, and might just have a drink or snacks handy.
Stay safe

Kristophr said...

They just want to re-enact Zardoz.

"The gun is good! The penis is bad!"

Jenny said...

Tamara...because they care. Unlike you, you sports car-driving, gun waving, slave to the system.

Now I'm going to go cry, because you're more right when you feel it intensely. I know, because that's what all the cartoons I saw as a kid told me.


Sigivald said...

On a related note, how come I never read about these voluntary human extinction types suck-starting a Mossberg?

Well, that's not as relevant as whether or not any of them are breeding.

They don't have to die sooner to give full support to human extinction, just not reproduce.

Hobie said...

Been saying this for years, thinking it for longer. I always wondered why the Planned Parenthood folks didn't start with their own families. By rights, all Al Gore's adherents should run to a 2d or 3d story window and cast themselves out.

J. Frank Parnell said...

We were very, very lucky that Ted Kaczynski was a brilliant mathematician rather than a brilliant microbiologist.

jimbob86 said...

"How come it's always everybody else they want to go extinct?"

Because the ones you run into lack the courage of their convictions (or any courage at all, really: courage is doing the difficult thing (succeeding), not advocating quitting as a species). Those that REALLY believe have already offed themselves in the woods somewhere, feeding the trees...

Brad K. said...


Please be careful with your pejoratives.

A naturalist is the tree hugger, the one enamored of, or at least oriented toward, a view of nature as an object of wonder or worship.

A naturist likes running around dressed like when they were born. See the Naturist Society in OshKosh, WI, or the American Association for Nude Recreation for more info on Naturists. Or visit a nude beach; I think copies of "Hot Springs of the SouthWest" are still around (the US Park Service stopped listing hot springs on their park maps if folk often use them nekkid). Naturism is about the feel of sun and breeze on face and hair, and front and back, too. Most naturist activities are family affairs, with no inappropriate touching, kids abounding without worrying about getting their clothes dirty.

See a Playboy club or strip club for other kinds of nekkid stuff.

Anyway, I just wanted to mention that while naturists might be running around the trees and meadows like the naturalists, the naturalists don't like being confused with naturists, like their clothes make them closer to nature or some silly thing. And the naturists have other interests - volleyball, swimming, tennis, etc. and getting on with life in a very open and accepting community of like-minded souls.

The naturist will look you in the eye, and see you and hear you. The naturalist will be waving a banner or lawyer.

Not that I have any strong feelings.

John B said...

militant naturists....
Boggles the, uh, mind!
They could probably talk me over to their way of thinking.

I'm not really a radical nudist, there's just nothing in my size!

Marja said...

About naturists - Heinlein was one, wasn't he?

And about the tree-huggers who claim to love mother Earth (but not humans) - one thought I have amused myself with for several years is this: what if there really is something like Gaia, as a some sort of goddess? Well, she has always shown a desire to spread life everywhere - from seas to the continents to all kinds of extreme environments, whether it's microbes in hot springs or critters living on the black smokers in the ocean floor.

Isn't the general wisdom that every creature has some function in the web of life?

What if she created us, humans, because she wants to spread to space?

Oh hell, I really wish somebody would start that movement. To The Stars, For Gaia!