Wednesday, May 13, 2009

Sometimes it's almost too easy...

Unc says:
Ruger is dropping a hint at their site about redefining a platform. So, what gun design will they mimic next? I’m guessing an AR. But it could be a 1911.
I reply:
Judging from the fact that two of their nine sidebar buttons are related to product recalls, maybe the platform they’re going to redefine is the UPS Call Tag.

32 comments:

tomcatshanger said...

I posted over at Uncles, but I'll repost over here cause I can.

That's hilarious by the way:)

The AR world doesn’t care for cast receivers.

I don’t know that the 1911 world would care for cast frames seeing as they don’t like MIM parts.

Maybe they are gonna make a M14? Springfield already uses cast receivers, so the public already finds that acceptable. And Ruger sure as hell can’t do any worse QC.

Tam said...

"I don’t know that the 1911 world would care for cast frames seeing as they don’t like MIM parts."

Chuck Daly/RIA/Armscor sells a blue million cast Filipino slag guns every year.

SIG uses cast frames, too.

Since Caspian buys their bare castings from Pine Tree Castings, which is a division of Ruger, a Ruger 1911 would be a turnkey operation for them...

Tam said...

...oh, Paras are cast, too.

The Raving Prophet said...

I'll agree with tomcatshanger. If they want to do a 1911 or an AR, they need to get with some forging of things. Yeah, there's 1911s out there with cast frames, but unless Ruger wants to play in the sub-$600 range exclusively (where the cast ones all live), they are going to need to step it up.

They're trying to reinvent the revolver platform with the LCR, and it's interesting, but supplies on them are still tight.

I wonder if they're trying to ape Taurus lately- lots of new designs that you can't actually find in stores, and they're full of quality control issues when you DO get one (well, to be fair, design flaws aren't necessarily QC, but it still needs a trip back to the maker). I like to see innovation, but innovation is kinda pointless if they can't bother to produce the new designs in volumes that come close to satisfying the market or in quality that doesn't result in recalls.

Anonymous said...

"Maybe they are gonna make a M14?"

You mean like Ruger already tried and failed? Get in the Wayback Machine to the 1980s--the time of Hair Bands, Parachute Pants and XGIs.

"The more powerful Ruger XGI semi-automatic rifle, like the Mini-14, retains the essentials of the durable Garand design used in the U.S. M1 and U.S. M14 military rifles --Garand-type gas system, rotating bolt, oerating rod and handle. The safety is also the Garand-type conveniently located for quick operation. This sporter also features and M14-type magazine release."

What is this gun of the month nonsense? How about perfecting what they have instead this Smith and Wesson rubbish.

Shootin' Buddy

Tam said...

"but unless Ruger wants to play in the sub-$600 range exclusively (where the cast ones all live),"

Uh, SIG and Para each sell a ton of $800+ 1911's with investment cast frames. Lots of smaller makers build one- and two-kilobuck customs on Caspian castings...

Anonymous said...

Whatever the new Ruger is, at least one person is really excited about it. Michael Bane just posted this on his blog:

"...Had to pry the New Unannounced Ruger out of my FFL guy's hands! He promptly called Ruger and groveled for one of his own! Video Friday!!!!"Judging from all the exclamation points, Michael seems pretty excited about it, too...

--Wes S.

Weer'd Beard said...

"Uh, SIG and Para each sell a ton of $800+ 1911's with investment cast frames. Lots of smaller makers build one- and two-kilobuck customs on Caspian castings..."

And you'd have to lie but the strenth of their revolvers really DOES make it kinda hard to be a forged frame snob.

I have no idea what they'll make, but I suspect it will either be a CCW handgun of some sort, or an EBR of some sort.

I would really like the idea of an M14, or some other 7.62X51mm battle-rifle.

And to counter Shootin' Buddy's great comment, the 1980s were totally different than today. I mean how many AR-makers were there? How many people owned EBRs?

I'd say the 80s rifle market was for wood and manual actions and the ability to kill 4-legged critters not 2-legged ones.

Hell just look at the number of "SUVs" they had back then (I use quotes because I don't recall a spesific term ever being used for them. I always just called them 4x4s or "trucks" or "Blazer" or "Bronco" ect)

We'll know in a few days

Joseph said...

LC1911 or LCAR?

They've introduced a pocket pistol & pocket revolver recently and this is supposed to be a new take on a classic. Since they've already done a new take on SAA & M14, the only thing left would be a 1911 an AR15 or out in left field a High Power. I don't think they'd do a shotgun, but then who the hell knows?

Jay G said...

I owned a GMC Jimmy in 1987.

The body type listed on the Registration was...

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"Other"

I kid you not...

As for what they're coming out with, if I were forced to guess, I'd offer a semi-auto .308 variant of some sort. A 1911 would impinge on the 345, and an AR would crowd the mini-14...

WAG, mind you...

Anonymous said...

"And to counter Shootin' Buddy's great comment, the 1980s were totally different than today. I mean how many AR-makers were there? How many people owned EBRs?"

How many AR makers? Several--Colt, SGW, Pac West, Olympic, inter alia.

How many people owned EBRs? Many.

We did not have so many AR makers because you could buy Chinee AKs for $250, CKCs for $80, FNCs for $500, Valmets, FALs, AUGs, and Galils, Uzis, etc. Lots of people had EBRs before they were called EBRs and all of this was orchard.

We'll see what Ruger does on Friday, but I predict massive fail. Why they don't go through their catalogue and make their guns work I do not understand.

Shootin' Buddy

BryanP said...

Just at a guess I'm thinking teeny 9mm a la the Kel Tec P9F, Kahr PM9, etc..

As for all the hate on for castings, lots of the guns I own are cast. Oddly enough they throw lead just as reliably and accurately as the forged stuff.

secret word: imband

Nooooo! I'll be good.

Hypnagogue said...

Hoping for a 6-barrel crank-fired hopper-fed rifle on a carriage. The GatGun market is underserved.

The Raving Prophet said...

OK, Tam, I admit I didn't realize that Sig and Para used cast frames. That makes a 1911 a bit more a possibility (time to reconsider my forging preference on the 1911).

Might they also be going with a LCR-like medium frame revolver? Or doing something bizarre on the shotgun front (Ruger doesn't have a pump scattergun). But since they say "you spoke, we listened," I'm imagining either an expansion of the SR9 design to a .45ACP size or some kind of EBR.

aczarnowski said...

Hoping for a 6-barrel crank-fired hopper-fed rifle on a carriage. The GatGun market is underserved.Now that would be flat awesome.

DirtCrashr said...

How about a cast AK in some proprietary Ruger caliber? :-)
hehehehe

Ed Foster said...

I know, but I can't say. A promise is a promise.They started the program about a year and a half ago, up at the New Hampshire plant. Semi-seriously considered relocating, but I'd miss the kids.

For what it's worth, I think they could do a better barrel, but the rest of it's not bad at all.

For something new and nifty, watch Continental Machine & Tool Co. (Stag Arms's parent company)in about two months. Fiendish, hand wringing chuckle.

Tammy gets first shot (bad pun) at a review, if we can get her on a plane to Connecticut. But she can't tell until the sales date.

Sigivald said...

I'll go wild and suggest it's a light carbine in .380ACP.

It'd be a whole new category of gun!

Buffboy said...

I've never been impressed with the mini14 but I had my order in with a dealer for the XGI within hours of reading about it in the gunrags back in 85. I was annoyed and I'm sure the dealer was too with my constant pestering when it never showed, then was canceled before production. I wouldn't mind if they dusted the idea off and got it to actually work. I'd order one again, but I doubt that's what it is.

TJP said...

"...the platform they’re going to redefine is the UPS Call Tag.".
LOL!

I heard it's the HCP in 480 Ruger.

Roberta X said...

What Hypnagogue said. Ruger won't do it but I totally want it. Even better in .22, 'cos then more of us could afford to feed it.

"Get Tam on a plane." Oh, I'd like to see that. I'll make popcorn!

...Whatever they do, I'm betting on it having WARNING, DO NOT EAT lasered into the barrel or slide, probably both. Hey! That's it! They're going a .45LC take on the Webley-Fosbery semiautomatic revolver! Holy Dardick, Batman!

captcha: "ingimbal" Didn't NASA do that to astronauts in training?

the pistolero said...

Why they don't go through their catalogue and make their guns work I do not understand....

Mmm, fair question, but then in my experience their older guns do work. When I was in the market for my first .45 auto in the late summer of 2005 I almost bought a P345, but I picked up the P90 because of issues I'd heard about with the former. I haven't regretted it; the '90 has been absolutely flawless in the almost four years I've had it. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another.

tomcatshanger said...

Wow, I didn't know cast frame 1911's were main stream. I was assuming, and look where I ended up!

wv: hushe, not a horrible idea from time to time. Though I like my M14 idea:)

And I knew that Ruger failed to scale up their scaled down M14 previously. That doesn't mean they won't try again. I mean hell, they still sell 10/22's.

Keith said...

A Mini-30 that takes AK mags. And a Pony.

Dr. StrangeGun said...

Mini-14 with a STANAG magwell and a barrel stiffer than a wet noodle would be nifty.

But who wants bets it's a bullpup or some other derivative of the Mini-14? That's a platform itching for redefinition.

Kristopher said...

Cat's out of the bag ... it's going to be a rod operated AR.

Looks like the ghost of Bill has been finally put down.

Tam said...

No honest man needs a handgun smaller than a canned ham!

Lame-R said...

A rod AR? Not exactly a crowded market, but a little late to the game, nonetheless.

I think they'd be better served redefining their .22 pistol. Sure it's a workhorse, but it's an old design that could use some improvements besides grip variations every few years. I wouldn't mind something along the lines of the Walther product. Heck, just making one that didn't require a secret handshake to put back together would be an improvement.

Bruce B. said...

It's going to be an AR. I ran into a Ruger rep or engineer at my gun club range last year who was very interested in AR platforms, and he told me that Ruger was working on their own AR.

Rugers don't work? My Dad's Single Six has been running perfectly for better than three decades.

Ted said...

Quote:;;
Bruce B. said...
Rugers don't work? My Dad's Single Six has been running perfectly for better than three decades.

End Quote:;;;

That's not quite fair, I don't think you could get a Single Six or Black Hawk to quit if you beat it with a rock, let alone a stick.

Ted

BryanP said...

And here it is.

Anonymous said...

Well I don't know about Ruger needing to improve their methods of getting customers guns back for work. I've only sent one Ruger back and that was a #1 that I managed to break the stock on when I slipped on a icy hillside.

However S&W seems to have it down to an art. Brand new S&W model 63 with miss cut cylinder. Ammo goes in and shoots, but the brass it don't want to come out. Swollen bases on several.

One call to S&W and the Call Tag is on its way.

Am I happy? No. Will I be content? Yes, if they fix the gun.

While it is in their hands I might have them run it through the custom shop for a trigger job also. I'll bet the DA pull is 15lbs.

Ted