Friday, June 11, 2010

Stood and delivered.

Practically everybody and their brother has gotten their say in on the Cheesehead who got relieved of his open-carried gat in a stickup.

Fred at Guns & Coffee would like to remind pontificators before they hoist their respective banners that, since the toter in question lived in Wisconsin, it was open carry or no carry at all.

17 comments:

Linoge said...

Sure, go ahead and remind me - already beat you to it: "Finally, bear in mind that Wisconsin does not allow for legal concealed carry, so to be within the bounds of state law, the victim had to openly carry."

:-D

Tam said...

Sorry, had the tabs open for a while and finally got around to typing up the post.

No personal slurs were intended. :)

Lewis said...

Mostly good commentary. Tough break for the Cheesehead---should I say, "Hard cheese"? I do wish most states (and Texas with some particularity) would include a provision about "intentionally, recklessly or negligently displaying" a CCW piece, but ah well.

GuardDuck said...

Lewis,

Could you expand further on what exactly you mean by wishing for?

Fred said...

Thanks for passing the message along.

I'm just hoping the amount of press will drive home the need for a Concealed Carry option here.

Cargosquid said...

He got robbed because he forgot to carry his coffee.

Justin Buist said...

It certainly does underscore a need for concealed carry to me. I hadn't ever thought of it before I saw this story but going about your regular daily business in a high crime area and being forced to open carry (or no carry) can make one a target. Especially when you have a repeating pattern of travel by foot with said sidearm.

GuardDuck, if I may respond on behalf of Lewis I presume what he's talking about is states were unintentionally displaying your CCW piece lands you afoul of the law. Texas, which comes as a surprise to many, isn't in favor of openly carrying a pistol. Florida lands in this camp too. If a concealed carrier so much as lets their jacket blow open and their handgun is exposed they've now committed a crime. And, well, that just ain't right.

Lewis said...

GuardDuck:

Justin nailed it. In Texas, concealed means concealed. Now, the odds are that if you go before a jury and present the totality of the facts (and the facts totally support you), you'll walk away. However, I'm never entirely comfortable relying on a jury of my peers to see things the same way I do. I'd like a clarifying provision in the relevant statutes that makes clear that an inadvertent flash is not brandishing. We could drag out the hoary old "reasonable man" standard!

Au├čenseiter said...

No wonder. I myself am always very, very tempted to filch a cop's gun when I see a solitary cop and then run the two-hundred meter dash to safety.

There's a saying in Czech Republic. The only gun you really own is the one the cops don't know about. It'd be a delicious irony if it were a stolen cop gun too. They all have CZ-75 compacts.

Only problem is, our cops are not very much into doughnuts...
(no justice. Why can't we have fat cops? Or maybe they keep them penned in in cubicles?)

Tam said...

"No wonder. I myself am always very, very tempted to filch a cop's gun..."

Unless you know how to operate an L-III retention holster, that's just asking for an ass whuppin'.

pax said...

Re the news article at http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/95999354.html -- I'm shocked.

Not only was it reasonably fair, it also made the case for concealed carry.

We are winning the culture war.

Joat said...

Too bad he wasn't a pizza guy, delivering pizza in a bad neighborhood is a defense against WI's concealed carry laws. http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/29446874.html

Au├čenseiter said...


Unless you know how to operate an L-III retention holster, that's just asking for an ass whuppin'.

If only ass-whupping. It'd probably be a felony.

I don't think they're a L-III retention holsters. They just seem to be shaped like the gun, and have a strap with a snap fastener to hold the gun in.

It's no laughing matter. I'll have to think it through, and execute it flawlessly. Perhaps first one would need to pull a cloth sack over the cop's head from behind, fasten it somehow
make sure he can't easily pull it off, then take the gun and run. In rainy conditions. That way even dogs won't help...

GuardDuck said...

Lewis and Justin,

Thanks, that's what I had hoped you were meaning but was slightly misunderstanding.

Patrick said...

Thanks for the trackback. I'm a supporter of open carry even if you don't have to and my article made the argument that we don't know anything about this except he was robbed and wasn't skilled enough to prevent it.

We have no clue if the robber even knew he was armed before it began. He certainly knew it after the victim failed to get it out of the holster though.

And I saw your comment. I'm not taking it personally. :)

Ace said...

He got robbed because he forgot to carry his coffee
This.

We all know how effective coffee is as a distraction device.

Mike Gallo said...

Tam, that's the great irony of the SERPA (and similarly-designed) holsters; it's meant for retention, but it's also meant to be drawn naturally. If you put your hand on it like you normally would, the buttons are already in the right place. I have told myself that it's really an answer to the "how do I keep my gun from falling out of my holster during activity and conform to department liability policies while still being able to draw it" question rather than the "how do I keep a bad guy from grabbing my gun" question.