Oddly, the only part of the gun they really inspect is the make, model and serial number. And they don't even need to see the actual firearm itself, if you don't mind. According to Carrie at lyger, lyger:
As I understand it, I wasn’t registering my G19, I was getting it inspected. You know, to make sure it was safe to use, or something. Nevermind that no one throughout the entire process asked to see my gun, much less inspect it.I guess they write down the number and then sit there and stare at it to see if it'll go off all by itself.
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But it's not registration.
At least in NY they don't make any bones about it: you register every handgun you own. *spit*
Ahh, yes. One of those warm fuzzy laws that the gorram Klan was all for and we've still got on the books.
A couple years back we got a new deal where they can "safety inspect" your pistol via the mail.
Justin Buist,
"One of those warm fuzzy laws that the gorram Klan was all for and we've still got on the books."
Here in Indiana, its vestigial remnant is still around in the "proper person" requirement to have a LTCH.
You'd better believe that back in the day "Proper Person" meant having skin pigment that matched only one or two crayons in the 64-pack box.
Oh, it's a safety inspection all right.
They just didn't specify whose...
AT
I still have one of those old "safety inspection" cards where they recorded the make of the Pre-WW2 Luger I brought in as a "Mouser"
The desk clerks asked what it was, and I told her that it was a Luger. She asked who made it and I said "Mauser made this one." She asked where it said that and I pointed out the S/42 code and told her that it was a Mauser code. She asked how she could be sure of that, and when I suggested a trip to the local library (this was before the internet), she shrugged and typed in "Mouser". And never once did she try to even open the action.
Remember, they're they only ones professional enough...
The safety inspection law was repealed a couple of years ago, it is now in fact just plain old registration.
Government is like computers -- really stupid and literal-minded. You have to actually SAY, "You ain't allowed to keep records of citizens' private bidness" in order for it to comprehend.
Morons.
Why, Alger? What does that have to do with Michigan's idiosyncratic firearms safety inspection?
Why, it's nothing more than registration in sheep's clothing. Where there's registration, confiscation cannot be far behind. "For the chill-run," mind you.
Never mind it's a blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment. What? You're saying a gun isn't an "effect" of a person?
M
JD beat me to it, Saftey inspection was pulled two or three years ago.
that and those of us with a carry permit, have no need for a permit to purchase, just show up, hand it over, they run the paper work, and when you're done you drop off the registration card with your local law office.
Long guns are even easier
abnormalist,
"that and those of us with a carry permit, have no need for a permit to purchase, just show up, hand it over, they run the paper work, and when you're done you drop off the registration card with your local law office."
That's almost like it is in America! ;)
Whats even better is that the green card you were given after they fondled and registered your gun had a disclaimer on it saying that only a cursory inspection had been performed and that it should not be relied on in any way for safety.
I may love the land here but by god do I hate some of our laws.
Thanks Tam now I have "Safety Dance" stuck in my head this morning.
When I moved to Michigan many years ago I had a few guns. Took them in for the "safety inspection", and they tried.
The Mle. 1892 was a complete mystery to them.
And it was hilarious watching them try to figure out how a Webley Fosbery worked.
That was AFTER I showed them how to open it up.
And Safety Dance guy is still in business, here's a replacement ear worm-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X5wFtjhAK4
Oooh! More!
Safety inspection? Seriously?
Glad I live in New Hampshire.
NMM1AFan
"I guess they write down the number and then sit there and stare at it to see if it'll go off all by itself."
Well, it *IS* a Glock. ;~)
Been singing this all morning:
http://street-pharmacy.blogspot.com/2011/06/i-have-been-singing-this-all-morning.html
Before the safety inspection was law was repealed and prior to Michigan going shall issue. A local police chief could really ruin your week if you wanted to buy a handgun.
They could limit the hours you could pick up the purchase permit (at the time also finger print your thumbs IIRC) which was only valid for 10 days. After purchase at their discretion could require you to leave the firearm over night for a safety inspection (again a limited time window NOT after business hours). Finally require a third trip to pick the gun back up. All this was only valid in YOUR HOME CITY so no running out quickly at lunch from work.
Michigan gun laws still leave a lot to be desired but they are a whole lot better than they were.
Men Who Stare at Guns: A new BATFE gun/running-tracing technuique?
Well at least staring at it would keep the rubes fingers off the boom switch.
Tam's just bragging because her (new, current) state is freer than (most of) ours...
You can go where you want to
But leave your guns behind
Cause we want you to dance
and if you don't dance
We're gonna touch your behind..
TSA Safety Dance
--You'd better believe that back in the day "Proper Person" meant having skin pigment that matched only one or two crayons in the 64-pack box.--
Burnt Sienna Power!
Certain Czechs, worried about guns killing people have set up a site where you can watch a Glock, to make sure it won't try to kill anyone...
http://guns-kill.mujglock.com/
These funny laws everywhere... remember try to find out the date they were enacted. Some of them come from last century.... but mostly are because some politician of the day was making good on some dept owed and by this regulation some snook made some money or what not... the law u mention seems some outdated way to getting someone to pay something somewhere at sometime in order to get his/her weapon.
Funny, I thought Michigan had repealed that law...
There it is. Section 9 was repealed in 2008: http://www.michiganvotes.org/2007-HB-4491
Mike,
"There it is. Section 9 was repealed in 2008: http://www.michiganvotes.org/2007-HB-4491"
Yeah, apparently they don't muck around with pretending it's a "Safety Inspection" anymore. Now they just go ahead and register your damn pistol.
Well, at least they aren't lying to your face anymore.
God I love living in Wyoming, what's a registration? except for the snow today.
Jack
Jack,
"God I love living in Wyoming, what's a registration?"
Look in your glovebox.
It's like that in Michigan, but with guns, too.
When I worked for an electrician the most annoying thing about the job was getting things inspected.
It took me only a few inspections to see that they were essentially pointless (sounds good on paper, not so much in practice). The biggest problem I had with it was that the customer gets stuck paying for a permit, a requirement of which is an inspection, and then the inspecting authority takes no responsibility for not catching defects after signing off on an inspection. Just one more .gov license to steal.
Tam, as a former Tennessee Death Merchant, can you tell me why, if I'm the one getting a background check, TBI needs the make model and serial number of the wappen I'm buying??
("Nooo, it's not registration; and this information is destroyed as soon as the approval is given." Wink Wink. Nudge Nudge.
rickn8or,
To the best of my knowledge, it actually isn't retained by TICS. They run it through the NCIC to see if it's stolen. I've seen a couple stolen guns get recovered that way. (TN FFLs also have the ability to run the gun through TICS when they buy it, although it's not always practical.)
I've also seen a brand new Charter Arms Undercover return a hit as being stolen in the early '80s, despite the gun only being months old. Apparently, the new Charter Arms was re-using serial numbers used by one of the earlier incarnations of the company. They sent a cop to get the gun, and we had to keep TICS on the line and show the po-po the invoice for the brand new gun. It was a mess...
A serious crime fighting tool would be to allow ANYONE to do a stolen gun- or stolen property of any kind- serial number check.
staghounds,
The problem with the S/N check through TICS is that when an FFL calls in an NCIC check on a gun, only a supervisor can run it, and that can take thirty minutes to a couple of hours. That doesn't help when you've got the guy standing in front of you at the gun show wanting $450 for a Webley-Fosbery right now or he'll go to the guy at the next table over.
Does he look honest? Tick, tock...
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