Monday, July 15, 2013

Hell, yes, there was "profiling"...

So, when Mr. Neighborhood Watch dude, ever vigilant for punks and hoodlums that threaten the neighborhood peace, sees the figure ambling about the neighborhood in the rain at 0dark30 and goes to investigate and...

...raise your hand if you think Zimmerman would have said "Oh! You're white! Never mind!" and hung up on the police.

Yeah, it didn't work that way when I was a teenager, either.

A lot of hay has been made by the folks playing five-card stud with a full deck of race cards that there would have been none of this hue and cry if Zimmerman had been black. I similarly maintain that if Trayvon Martin had been a white kid, the media wouldn't have given a tenth as much of a damn, even if the story had been otherwise identical. In fact, the media might have decided that a Zimmerman jumped by a white skate punk was a sympathetic character...

Meanwhile: That didn't take long.
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38 comments:

ProudHillbilly said...

As a property owner, heck yes I profile. There are people who belong on my street. There are people who do not. We have problems with young male teens. End of story.

Anonymous said...

Not that it should matter, but Zimmerman is black.

Blacker than Homer Plessy. Zimmerman is partially black like Hollywood starlets Halle Berry and Barry Obama.

If I was on Zimmerman's defense team, "my African-American client" would have been in every other sentence. Oh, and George would go by "Jorge Miguel".


Shootin' Buddy

Fuzzy Curmudgeon said...

0bama is delusional.

But we knew that already.

In 2008.

Anonymous said...

Profiling: it's a good thing. Compare the security experience at Tel Aviv airport with O'Hare; those guys profile their ass off, and it works without pissing off and infringing the rights and space of Joe Businessman and Mama 'n 'em.

In this case, media never missed a chance to reverse-profile. "George Zimmerman, son of a white father who identifies himself as Hispanic..."

Anonymous said...

Oh, and "that" was a long-ass piece, but I searched and searched and ne'er did find, any reference to "sidewalk violence".

Scott J said...

We're doomed. It is only a matter of time now before some spark somewhere ignites the whole powder keg.

I base this on a call to a local morning talk radio host who identifies himself as a "small l libertarian" that I heard on my commute this morning.

A woman called in an she KNEW in her heart that Zimmerman did this because of Martin's skin color. She even believes the prosecution intentionally threw the case because of Zimmerman. No amount of facts presented by the host would convince her otherwise.

Such a belief system is now too ingrained in far too many people for this to ever work out to the good.

Ruth said...

I asked someone on facebook if the whole mess still would have been racist (towards the "child" who died) if the "child" had been white and the shooter black.

They spluttered at me and then blocked me. Somehow I'm not bothered by that....

Library-Gryffon said...

17 years ago our house in Norfolk, VA was broken into while we were out for the evening. I (white women) was chatting with my neighbor (older black man, local minister) several months later and mentioned the break in. It turns out he saw the folks, but because they were white couple (1 male, 1 female), in their late 20s/early 30s like my husband and me, he assumed they were friends, stopping by to feed that cats or something. He said flat out that if he had seen a couple of black teens he would have called the cops, because that wasn't the sort of person he normally saw stopping by our house if we weren't in.

When I thought about it I realized that if I had seen an adult black couple going into his house when I knew or suspected he and his wife were out, I too would have thought nothing of it, but a couple of teens, any color, but especially white, would have raised flags. Not that either of us had anything against folks of the other color or of any particular age, but we know what the people who hang out at our neighbors' tend to look like, and hell yes, we both profile when the wrong group shows up.

So, if I call the cops on a bunch of white teens going into a black family's house when the family isn't home, am I going to be up on civil rights violations for racial profiling?

Boat Guy said...

"Never let a crisis go to waste."
These folks are ALWAYS "on message".

lelnet said...

Well, considering Zimmerman was only counted as "white" because Martin was black, yeah I'd say there'd be a big difference in coverage, in that hypothetical.

But yeah, "unknown young male, prowling the neighborhood late at night" is always a profile that's worth investigating.

Anonymous said...

I hate to say it but I believe a great deal of this was the media campaign to demonize firearms.

The headlines were just as much about Zimmerman being an untrained armed buffoon as white Hispanic killing a black choir boy. See what happens when you let people carry firearms America!

Gerry

Yrro said...

Not to mention the smear on Stand Your Ground laws, which in almost no way applied to this case.

Library-Gryffon said...

@Gerry 10:24 Our Dear Leader has already used the verdict as a prop for a call for further efforts to "stem the tide of gun violence". Why he doesn't use any given Chicago weekend rather than a self-defense case....

Of course what they are trying to do is intimidate anyone who might think of using a gun in self-defense in the future, especially if the assailant is black.

Robert said...

I say that the people at fault in the whole Zimmerman affair goes back to the ones that were breaking into the houses in that neighborhood. If there had been no break ins and home invasions and so on, there would not have been a neighborhood watch, and Zimmerman would not have been wondering who that youg guy was wandering around in the rain. The whole chain of events started by others breaking the law.

Woodman said...

I suppose this all would have been better if Zimmerman had had a pocket knife he pulled out and stabbed Martin in the neck with? Or his keys, or had tazed him and Martin's heart had stopped?

The focus on the legal gun tells me what it's about. That and the implication that only the police can stop crime.

NotClauswitz said...

Is it racist to say that getting cranked-up on a cocktail of Skittles, cough-syrup, and fizzy-water causes "gun violence" or is a black-only thing? What's the white-kid equivalent? Paint-huffing?

Bubblehead Les. said...

Funny thing. How many Black LEOs out there have had to shoot and kill Black Goblins? Yet there's no Lynch Mob formed when they have to do their Jobs.

Of course, if Obama REALLY wanted to have a "National Discourse" on Racial Tension in the United States, he could always invite Zimmerman to have a Beer with him in the Rose Garden.

But I guess that would cost him Street Cred with the "Million Hoodie Crowd," huh?

Joseph said...

You can damn well bet if Martin was white, the media wouldn't have referred to Zimmerman as "White Hispanic".

This is, as almost all things like this, first and foremost used as a distraction from just how shitty a job Washington is doing and the scandals that piled up on Barry's doorstep. This has the added bonus of allowing them to try and advance their agenda of taking away the rights of US citizens and controlling us.

sobriant74 said...

The biggest thing I learned out of this is that, according to the MSM, we have a White African American POTUS. Or, as some news groups would put it, a POTUS whose mother was white but self-identifies as African American. I'm still looking for him being title as such via Google, but I'm sure they will be consistent with their rules across all their coverage of varied stories. I mean, it's fairly obvious they don't have any bias when reporting the news.

Adam said...

' In fact, the media might have decided that a Zimmerman jumped by a white skate punk was a sympathetic character...'

If he hadn't used a gun, maybe.

RabidAlien said...

I couldn't finish that article, honestly. The half I read was so sickening..

Anonymous said...

I'm certainly not going to join a neighborhood watch.

sobriant74 said...

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/15/justice/pennsylvania-teen-heroes/index.html
This. This is the world I want to live in; where people of all ethnicities can come together to save a little girl from a kidnapper.

LMB said...

Obama wants to curve gun violence? Hey, how about he starts in Chicago? After all, gun laws should work perfectly there, right?

Woodman said...

"This. This is the world I want to live in; where people of all ethnicities can come together to save a little girl from a kidnapper. "

The world that tried to convict Zimmerman doesn't want people getting involved. What if he had attacked one of them and they had killed him? Close the door, hide behind the couch, turn the other way and ignore it, it's not your problem. And eventually people will block it out if there is enough pain involved in getting involved.

The police are the only ones that can help you.

Ted N said...

Profiling is just deductive reasoning that Liberals don't like, much like loopholes are legal shit they also don't like.

Kristophr said...

I don't think this blood dance will have the results the President wants.

He is not going to be able to paint this dead perp as a choirboy, no matter how hard he tries.

Most folks in the US approve of violent criminals getting shot to pieces after a catastrophic failure in the victim selection process.

Kristophr said...

Seriously ... this new army of violent black and libtard rioters will garner even less sympathy than the cop-car-beshatting OWS punks.

Talk about doubling down on stupid ...

tailwind said...

Liberals use profiling all the time, except they call it "diversity."

NotClauswitz said...

Aren't the violent black and libtard rioters pretty much the SAME group as OWS punks? In Oakland there are more of them who are white than black, inciting and igniting dumpsters.

John said...

I don't the Prosecution[s] -- from White House to Shix House -- cared a damn how it turned out. They were happy to be able prosecute the existence of self defensive guns, with the enthusiastic backing of Lib/Media, as TDE Cause of Violence.

Reality and truthe and fact and inconvenient scenarios could go piss up a rope, because here was a plausible footing for a Classic Big Lie.

Ironic, too, are the Dimograhpics of the Horrified and Protesting Class. There has apparently been a real pent-up shortage of opportunity for the to have a satisfactory outing of creative self-expression. Their actions and signage speak volumes, as to the Mob-Minder-Vote-Team's desired management plan. A massive Foo of Befoulment upon their heads.

Kristophr said...

NotClauswitz:

They have added black recruits because Racism!

Old NFO said...

You're right, there WAS profiling...
Of a possible criminal!

And now everybody 'else' including the Pres has played the race card... And speaking of his my son comment, he was already smoking dope, and a thug in training, so I guess that apple didn't fall far from the tree...

Ed said...

I would like to make you aware of a recent case with many parallels to George Zimmerman's but with an entirely different outcome. Please see satellite picture of the properties facing the tennis court and basketball court for the 3200 block of Partridge Point Trail, a cul-de-sac in a gated community in the Twin Lakes area of Valrico, Florida, an unincorporated area of Hillsborough County east of Tampa.
Elderly retiree Trevor Dooley, 71, a former New York resident of black Jamaican heritage, was convicted of manslaughter in the death of the retired USAF Special Forces NCO David James, 41, who is white and a native of Minnesota. Dooley was released pending appeal. Dooley’s home fronted recreational facilities owned in common by property owners in a gated community and maintained by a neighborhood association, with responsibility for upkeep and repair borne by property owners. The neighborhood association published regulations concerning usage of the recreational facilities, with enforcement and compliance to be monitored by the property owners. The tennis courts and basketball were recently resurfaced at the property owners’ expense, with a request by the neighborhood association to the property owners to oversee use to prevent damage. Dooley attempted to do this. Three witnesses using the tennis court claimed that Dooley lifted his shirt to reveal a pistol carried by tucking into his waistband. James’ daughter, standing next to his James, did not see the pistol. James was shot after tackling Dooley while on top of Dooley. Dooley testified that his pistol was carried in his pocket within a pocket holster, and was derided by the prosecutor in court when the prosecutor did not believe that Dooley did not tuck the pistol into his waistband before leaving his home. James intervened when Dooley told a teenaged visitor skateboarding on the court to not skateboard there, saying that he gave the teenager “permission” for this use, which would be contrary to neighborhood association rules. There were significant differences in age, size, ability and physical condition between Dooley and James, and James had chased after Dooley, who was returning to his home, knocking Dooley to the ground.
In Florida, it is legal to bring a concealed weapon onto parks.
It is illogical for a small pocket pistol such as a .32 Colt to be carried unholstered in a waistband, as it does not guard the pistol’s trigger, the pistol can migrate from the movement of walking and drop to the ground or it can end up pointing at body parts no one wants damaged if the trigger is inadvertently pulled. It is ironic that if Dooley did not use his weapon or was not armed and “took his beating” instead of “stood his ground” (while pinned on the ground) after attempting to orient James to reality, that James could have been charged with assault, battery, and the additional charge of assault on the elderly.
http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=147978
http://tbo.com/brandon/suspects-release-confounds-valrico-shooting-victims-family-28007
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/09/david_james_air_force_veteran.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzbVrSsRlZk
http://www.ksdk.com/news/world/article/311679/28/Widow-says-Floridas-Stand-Your-Ground-law-is-free-pass-for-murder
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/20/florida-shooting-focuses-attention-on-stand-your-ground-law/
http://tbo.com/news/defendant-says-he-killed-serviceman-in-self-defense-362215
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_hillsborough/stand-your-ground-defense-denied-for-trevor-dooley-in-2010-death-of-david-james-in-valrico
http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/victims-widow-outraged-as-trevor-dooley-granted-bail-after-manslaughter/1274398
http://www.criminaldefenseattorneytampa.com/PracticeAreas/DomesticViolenceBattery/AbuseElderlyorDisabledAdult.aspx
http://www.criminaldefenseattorneytampa.com/PracticeAreas/DomesticViolenceBattery/AbuseElderlyorDisabledAdult.aspx
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0776/0776.html

rustynail said...

Ed, Thanks for the info on Trevor Dooley's case. From your account, it seems that Mr. Dooley was in the right and acted in self defense. The Florida statute relating to abuse of the elderly is also interesting. David James acted very unwisely and foolishly. His actions could easily have caused Mr. Dooley's gun to discharge and injure another bystander. James paid the price for his aggression. I'll be interested to learn how Mr. Dooley's appeal turns out.

Anonymous said...

Bottom line: If Martin hadn't been a vicious wannabe "No limit gansta" and violated Z's civil rights to not to be treated like a punching bag, he'd still be alive.

Anonymous said...

The whole circus can be summed up nice and simple:
http://i.imgur.com/UE6bGzK.jpg

Justthisguy said...

Hell, I'm white as can be, and get accosted by badge-bearers all the time, because I like to go for a walk after dark, and I'm somewhat strange. The Officers and I have never laid a finger on each other, I having been careful to mind my manners.