Tuesday, December 15, 2009

I forgot to say something...

The police take a lot of ragging on interwebz gun forums for sloppy marksmanship and incidents where a half-dozen cops run their heaters to slide lock and only score one or two peripheral hits. Now, a two-way pistol range is a bit more challenging an environment than the Thursday Night NRA Bullseye League at your local indoor shutzenpalast, so in light of that, mad props to NYPD Sgt. Newsom, who went 4-for-4 on a mobile and hostile target without ventilating any bystanders or shooting up the landscape.

Nice shootin', Tex.

14 comments:

pdb said...

All while using (presumably) a Glock with the 1500lbs New York trigger spring.

I hope that if I ever have to look over my sights at evil, I do as well. I hereby resolve to stop making Yankee jokes for the entire morning.

Cossack in a Kilt said...

http://www.slate.com/id/2238560/

Amazing! A Slate explanation on guns that isn't entirely wrong. Guess that Spangenberger character had something to do with it.

reflectoscope said...

The back half of the article was painful to read (in the hoplophobic BS sense) but good on Sgt Newsom.

Jim

Robb Allen said...

Cops not only have to deal with return fire, they also generally don't have the luxury of determining if a shot has done the job or not. Many of the perps with a baker's dozen holes in their chest could have expired just as nicely with 2 or 3, but ammo is cheap and any round can be made exponentially more effective by following up with more rounds. I can't fault any officer for emptying his magazine 'just to be sure'.

Weer'd Beard said...

Do NYC Cops have to use the shitty trigger on their guns?

I know Mass Cops are exempt from our shit-trigger laws, as well as are free to acquire whatever gun their armorer gives them the green light on.

(That being said, when I took my Basic Handgun Safety Course it was with my then local PD Armorer, and he bitched about all the goofy safety features *mag disconnect at greatest length* on his issued S&W4006. He'd have preferred a Glock 22 I recon.

Tam said...

Robb,

True.

Also, ask anybody who's run to slide lock how many rounds they fired, and they'll invariably answer way low. ("I dunno. Four? Five?") Once the go switch is flipped, the tendency is to go.

Tam said...

Weer'd,

"Do NYC Cops have to use the shitty trigger on their guns?"

The heavy trigger options for the Glock were developed specifically at the request of the NYPD.

"I know Mass Cops are exempt from our shit-trigger laws, as well as are free to acquire whatever gun their armorer gives them the green light on."

Last I checked, NYPD cops got their choice of a Glock 19, a DAO SIG P226, and a S&W 5946, all with heavy, crappy DAO triggers.

1911Man said...

I score it 3-of-4. That round that "grazed" the good fellow WENT SOMEWHERE without scrubbing off any meaningful energy first.

Money quote from the mom: "I want justice... That was my beloved son. I want to know why the cop didn't shoot him in the leg or something." Reference the Aussie's movies-qua-reality quote...

Robert McDonald, the Sarcastic Bastard said...

Well said, Tam. It's always nice to see praise given where it is deserved.

jimbob86 said...

""We're lucky the weapon jammed." Raymond Martinez fired two shots before a plainclothes police sergeant shot him—there were 27 rounds left in the gun. "

..... And he carried that particular "pistol" ....... why, again? On the theory that if you can't shoot well, shoot a lot? As he found out the hard way, 2 rounds is not a lot......... the other 27 did not matter much.

I'd hazard a guess he carried that gun for "Street Cred".... taking your tactical pointers from fellow gangbangers (who die with boring regularity) does not seem to be a sound course of action.....

Kudos to the Officer. Good Shoot and Good Shooting!

Matt G said...

"Even though he was wounded, Martinez was still clinging to his gun; a witness told the Post, 'He was putting up a good little fight. Next thing you know, the guy's brother jumped on the back of the cops and was yelling at them, 'That's my brother! Get off my brother!''"

More props to the on-scene cop[s] for having the dscipline to resist ventilating the brother who was interfering with their apprehension of a resisting, armed bad guy. When your blood's up, that takes some doing.

1911Man: They said "graze", but you can disrupt a bullet quite a bit with a graze, especially if it passes through clothing. They said he was "cornered in the covered breezeway" of a hotel. That's probably in front of heavy tempered glass. I've actually seen a 115g 9mm bullet stopped by the second pane of tempered glass on a glass building, without being disrupted first. (Not "heard about"; saw. This was at 1950 N. Stemmons Fwy in Dallas, TX, in 1999.)

Matt G said...

(Oh, and it was FMJ, fired from about 80 yards.)

D.W. Drang said...

I note that the gat in question is held together with what seem to be lock washers; chances it was assembled from two of those kits that used to advertise in Shotgun News, one address for the upper, one for the lower...?

Anonymous said...

... chances it was assembled from two of those kits that used to advertise in Shotgun News, one address for the upper, one for the lower...?

I don't think Davidson's sells them like that. (In other words, no.)