Sunday, June 21, 2009

New CCW permit arrived in the mail.

This one has the following expiration date: "________".

That's right, for $100 the Indiana .gov will give you a lifetime toter's permit. It took about nine weeks from the trip to the main cop shop downtown to my maildude handing me the envelope.


AndyJ said...

When I went in for my permit, the woman at the sheriff's office asked me whether I wanted the 4 year permit or the lifetime permit. I told her that at my age, the 4 year one was probably the same as a lifetime one.

Ed Rasimus said...

Could you have your gov. call my gov. and suggest that would be a good thing for Texas. I like the concept!

At least military retirees get it for half price, even if that is half of $140 for a limited term permit.

dave said...

What's the non-resident permit process look like? It would be nice to never have to worry about renewals, especially since my state honors all permits as a matter of law.

Joseph said...

There is no non-resident as Indiana honors all other state's permits.

og said...

Do yourself a favor, don't sign it.

Instead, make about twenty copies. You can get the exact same color paper at Kinkos. I make a bunch of copies in 100%, and then I make a handful at 85%. I cut out the 85% ones, sign them, and laminate them. Now you can cut it down to exactly the size of a credit card. I was TOLD TO DO THIS by the lady on the phone at the Indiana State police. One way or the nother, you've got the original to go back to. I also always carry a signed original size copy in the car.

Ed Foster said...

We pay $35 for 5 years here in CT. I really like the idea of a lifetime permit. If I were to take off on the boat for 3-5 years, my ticket would still be punched when I got back.

Letting it lapse means going through the entire thing again. The three letters from permit holders or public officials who've known you for more than 5 years, retaking the training course, getting the local permit after three seperate background checks, sending in the local to get the state permit, all of it. The permanent ticket is a definate improvement.

I'll have to mention it next club meeting, and see if any of the legal guys figure it's worth throwing to our friendly State Representative.

Anonymous said...

"There is no non-resident as Indiana honors all other state's permits."

Well, yes there are. But they are difficult to obtain as one must demonstrate a commerical ties to the state.

Indiana recognizes the carry licenses of all states and all foreign countries according to the terms thereof.

Shootin' Buddy

Somerled said...

That's a great deal. It costs $140 for four years in Kansas, and the renewal process and fee is still in flux the last time I checked.

May your shirttail not intervene between your hand and the back strap. Travel safe, Tam.

JD said...

good luck, I hope it works out. We use to have lifetime rifle permits here in MA but that changes, and if you had one it ran out in a year after the law changed. . . nothing is forever if the wrong fool get in power. . .

Joseph said...

Well, yes there are. But they are difficult to obtain as one must demonstrate a commerical ties to the state.

I believe those are the same permit given that residents get, just given to non-residents who are employed in Indiana, so they aren't a traditional non-resident a la FL.

That is someone who is in say Montana couldn't obtain an IN LTCH to have much like folks obtain the FL permits to allow carry in states where the home state doesn't have reciprocity.

So, in Dave's example above, he wants to obtain a permit for lifetime as his state honors all others. Unless Dave works in Indiana, he's S.O.L.

alath said...

There is one other unusual thing about Indiana permits. There is no training or qualification requirement. Personally I think this is the way it should be (or really, carry without a stinkin' permit).

The problem arises when Hoosiers cross the state line. Lots of states' reciprocity requires that the issuing state have the same requirements that they do. Therefore most states that have a training or qualification requirement do not honor Indiana's permits.

It is a minor annoyance of living in a state that is one iota closer to having constitutionally correct gun laws.

Lots of Hoosiers have a FL or UT permits, which are honored in many states, in addition to their IN permit. There are a couple of training outfits here that specialize in "Utah Compliant" CCW courses.

Even this leaves some odd spots on the map, though. For instance, I believe Kansas does not honor Indiana's permit (due to the lack of training requirement), nor do they honor any permits issued to non-residents of the issuing state (sorry, Hoosiers with FL or UT permits). Unless there's some new work-around, I don't think an IN resident can legally carry in KS.

Anonymous said...

Kansas just passed their CCW permit last year, and even though it finally passed, they put made it expensive and a real pain to actually get a permit. Maybe someday they will amend their CCW law to be more like Indiana's (a Kansas resident can at least hope!)

joe said...

Virginia permits are issued by local circuit courts to residents. Non-residents apply directly to the State Police. For resident permits, the court charges $10, the state police charge "up to" $5, and local police are allowed to charge "up to" $35. The total fee may not exceed $50. Montgomery County (at least a few years ago) charged the minimum $15. The state charges $100 for non-resident permits.
Permits are good for 5 years, though we're working on making them lifetime.
I'd still prefer we all go to "Vermont-style" carry, but I don't see that anytime soon.

Jayson said...

"they put made it expensive and a real pain to actually get a permit."

Then is ay, "Screw Kansas"

Fuzzy Curmudgeon said...

Og -- never really thought about that dodge. Now I may have to scan mine and photoshop the signature off of it :)

Rick R. said...

Technically, we HAVE "lifetime" permits in Virginia. (Automatically and freely reissued befor ethe old one expires as long as your address and name don't change, and you pass the background check. No need for action on your part -- the state would just routinely process the renewal without being asked.)

Problem is, the "lifetime" only kicks in when and if the Legsislature passes the money for the automatic background check and renewal as a funded budget item.

I'd almost rather just pay the state $100 or $150 out of my pocket, and have the new permit show up in the mail every five years. Hell, they can dock my state tax "refund".