Y'know, I still haven't taken my CZ-52 to the range, and I've had the thing since February...
I really like shooting those Czech rayguns; there's plenty of sturm und drang, what with fireballs at the muzzle and spent brass being flung into the next ZIP code, so you don't stand around wondering if it went off or not, yet there's hardly any recoil.
Maybe I should take the Radom Tokarev along and do some kind of head-to-head thing, like a writeup with pictures and stuff.
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Cool Beans Tam!
The CZ-52 is a lot of fun to shoot.
Personally, I like to shoot it on the outdoor range right around dusk. Makes the fireball all the more impressive.
Sometimes I shoot it with the S&W 360PD just so the other shooters think I brought *two* flamethrowers...
And you can get ammo for it!
I used to shoot Remington 95 grain +P .38 special out of a 4" barrel, just to see the fireball.
Sadly, ,I can't find the stuff anymore.
The CZ and the Tokarev are both neat guns and I like them both. I wanted to like the CZ more than the Tok (because I think so much of the history of the Czechs), but the Tok seems "easier" to shoot for me.
Kris
Make sure to bring a long 2x4 so you can get decent leverage on that lovely trigger.
I like the CZ-52 at lot more as a mechanical plaything than as a firearm.
I really wish more people would take advantage of that roller-lock design in a handgun.
"I really wish more people would take advantage of that roller-lock design in a handgun."
Why? It's been available as a roller-locked recoil-operated gun in the CZ-52, as well as roller-delayed blowback in the HK P9, and nobody bought it. It's mechanically interesting, but doesn't really confer any advantages in a handgun platform...
"doesn't really confer any advantages in a handgun platform"
I think you just found Ruger's next product.
I love my CZ-52. It tucks into the top of my boot so neatly.
Ultimate flamethrower snapshot. My buddy Ed Sedgewick down at Blue Trails Range donkey's years ago, touching off an 8x56 Mannlicher carbine with a 16 or so inch barrel and issue Hunky ammo.
Something like a 246 grain roundnose, in front of a very slow burning charge designed for a 30 inch barrel. The term slow burning doesn't do it justice. I suspect it was Kapok or old barn straw.
I got the shot as Edziu and the ugly stick were in full recoil, and the ball of flame was at least two feet long.
I suspect the idea was that if you couldn't hit them you could blind them.
Yeah! A CZ-52/Tokarev face-off is a great idea. One for the Arms Room maybe?
LCD
I've got a few CZ-52s and a couple of Romanian TT-33s. I find the CZ 52 more reliable and fun to shoot.
The TT-33 is far more accurate.
I converted one of the CZs to 9mm and it seems to have improved the accuracy somewhat.
Of course I wouldn't call any of them a tack driver however those TT-33s impressed me.
Joe
"Why? It's been available as a roller-locked recoil-operated gun in the CZ-52, as well as roller-delayed blowback in the HK P9, and nobody bought it. It's mechanically interesting, but doesn't really confer any advantages in a handgun platform..."
Just seems that the bore never tilting would do a bit of good for accuracy, but also not needing room to tilt one could lower the bore axis to shrink the pistol detentions as well as minimize muzzle flip. Probably could be further compounded by putting the rails inside the frame a-la the CZ-75.
Maybe there's something mechanical I'm missing (as the CZ-52 and H&K P9 did not have a distinctive profile or bore axis compared to similar tilt-barrel guns) but that seems like it could be a neat design.
I love my CZ-52. I swapped out the firing pin for the Harrington one and it cut the trigger pull to about 5-6 lbs. I'll shoot it at indoor plate shoots. It's fun to knock the plates down as the people behind and to my right duck and curse at me as the empties hit them.
"Mechanical advantages";The tilt-less barrel is maybe a bit better suited to sound suppression with less effect on cycling. Maybe.
"I swapped out the firing pin for the Harrington one and it cut the trigger pull to about 5-6 lbs."Huh? Whu? Maybe I'm just dumb, or I'm forgetting the mechanics of the thing, but how does a new firing pin have any influence on trigger pull in the Vz 52? I have one, and I don't see any interaction there unless you're referring to some wonderous effects relating to the firing pin block safety. -- Lyle
Ah, the CZ52. Other than the firing pins breaking, and the bizarre ergonomics, and the tendency for the safety to carve a divot out of the web of your right thumb, and the heavy, mushy trigger, and the decocker that wears out and becomes a secondary trigger, and...(oh, but I do love it so.)
The Harrington firing pin basically disables the firing pin block safety. Since there's nothing to push on, there is a corresponding decrease in trigger pressure. Not to any astounding degree, in my experience.
That said, mine broke in half at the cutout for the detent (from dry-fire, possibly), so YMMV.
Tam,
Don't know if you've been to the CZ Forums, but there is a thread about the trigger for your gun. It's under the curios & relics forum. I do so love my P-07. Damn glad I bought it.
7.62x25mm: the caliber the FN P90 should have been chambered in...
John
I don't really know why it worked, but swapping out the stock cast firing pin and replacing with the aftermarket Harrington firing pin did cut the trigger pull. As for it disabling the safety on mine (and mine alone), I don't think so, but will have to do a range test the next time it goes to the range with me. The sticking something down the barrel and pulling the trigger vs. using the hammer drop test was inconclusive.
"7.62x25mm: the caliber the FN P90 should have been chambered in..."
*ponder rapidly turning to brainstorm...*
There's Ruger's next product... modify the Mini-14 to an aluminum frame, shrink it a bit, and a PS-90 style magazine that fits .30 Carbine.
Call it the M2010 Carbine.
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